Dawn Butler MP

[domalino]

My perhaps naive observation is that the Mr Trump example has been responsible for Boris and Cummins adapting the barefaced lie approach more associated with Mr Putin than western governments.

The result is I question every statement from Downing Street wondering what sins of omission or spin it conceals.

Sad really that I have totally lost any respect for political figures and feel as though perhaps my admiration for individuals or even political parties of yesteryear was a con trick that today's leaders are indifferent to.

I agree with your first two paragraphs.

Regarding the third, I would say that this government is utterly different at its core than any others you may have admired in the past and you shouldn't question that too much.

In fact, when we all start going down the "they are all the same" route, it makes the election of people like Trump and Johnson much more likely. Fostering that attitude is what they rely on to be accepted.

The key is that post-Brexit political positions seem to have become so entrenched and polarised that like Republicans in the US, Johnson knows it doesn't matter if he lies, or gets caught lying.

It won't cost the party votes. No Tory voter is going to vote for Labour because Johnson keeps lying. 5 years ago UKIP would be a refuge for those people put off by it,15 years ago when we had a functioning Lib Dem party they could have been an option. Now its conservatives or a dysfunctional and incredibly weak Labour. No one is making that jump.

Worst case scenario is people disengage or don't vote which is still a net win for the tories.

When there is no consequence to lying then it becomes a very easy fix to all your political problems.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

The key is that post-Brexit political positions seem to have become so entrenched and polarised that like Republicans in the US, Johnson knows it doesn't matter if he lies, or gets caught lying.

It won't cost the party votes. No Tory voter is going to vote for Labour because Johnson keeps lying. 5 years ago UKIP would be a refuge for those people put off by it,15 years ago when we had a functioning Lib Dem party they could have been an option. Now its conservatives or a dysfunctional and incredibly weak Labour. No one is making that jump.

Worst case scenario is people disengage or don't vote which is still a net win for the tories.

When there is no consequence to lying then it becomes a very easy fix to all your political problems.

People voted for UKIP because they didn't like politicians lying to them?

 

[mat]

Her words went viral and got people talking. That means it was worthwhile. Will it have much impact? Who knows. In itself it’s a small gesture but if it influences others to do the same thing then good on the woman. Our politics are fucking poison. Our county is a laughing stock. She did the right thing, the decent thing, and that’s enough.

The Sun have called it a rant without mentioning why.

Torygraph also.

BBC Dateline London presenter cut off a foreign news correspondent supporting her and talking about consequences for damaging the countries not just here but though out the world.

The Gaslighting has been immense.

 

[LGWIO]

Fair play to Dawn Butler for standing up there and saying what many believe/know.
I do find it odd that she can get "sanctioned" for speaking the truth, or what she belives to be "the tuth", yet Colum Eastwood can get away with using privelege to name soldier "F". There does seem to be something wrong with that which surely needs to be looked at.
I still do think our parliamentary system at its core is great, but that it does maybe need some updating.
From someone who, when I still lived "on the mainland", was very active and interested in politics, I think there has been a complete disconnect with much of the public. I wonder if something as draconian as mandatory voting would force people to actually think, even if it is for 10minutes or so, about those that we (or should) put in positions of power.

Whilst thats the case with many on the mainland its very strange then being over here. My previous interest in politics has waned and now I find it hard very difficult indeed to find anyone over here worth voting for.

 

[Del_Bosque]

Completely done for retweets and shares, can say whatever she wants outside the chamber but did it inside knowing she would get thrown out and the video would go viral.

Same as that video of her accosting those police when someone pulled the car she was in over.

Trying to Americanise the politics and discourse, embarrassing to see people lapping it up.

6th form stuff.

 

[west didsblue]

Completely done for retweets and shares, can say whatever she wants outside the chamber but did it inside knowing she would get thrown out and the video would go viral.

Same as that video of her accosting those police when someone pulled the car she was in over.

Trying to Americanise the politics and discourse, embarrassing to see people lapping it up.

6th form stuff.

It’s a sad indictment of the state of politics and the media in this country that government critics are forced to carry out stunts like this to get their point across. Otherwise they get roundly ignored. As it is, the pro government media is doing its bit to get her back in her box and people like you are lapping it up and repeating the lies about her accosting the police in order to diminish the point she was making.

 

[mat]

Some of the replies in this thread make me wonder if they would be as critical of Dawn Butler Brent if she was the same colour as her metropolitan name suggests?


The whataboutary to dismiss her proves what this government has normalised nastiness and hate.

 

[BobKowalski]

Completely done for retweets and shares, can say whatever she wants outside the chamber but did it inside knowing she would get thrown out and the video would go viral.

Same as that video of her accosting those police when someone pulled the car she was in over.

Trying to Americanise the politics and discourse, embarrassing to see people lapping it up.

6th form stuff.

You can say much more in the chamber than you can outside. Parliamentary privilege affords MP’s speaking in the House to speak freely without fear of legal action on the grounds of slander, and contempt of court.

As for the video of Butler ‘accosting‘ the police, I assume you mean when they accosted her and pulled over the car she was in for ’driving with reg plates registered in Yorkshire’.

The Met weaselled out by blaming ‘human error’ on their part, but yeah, let’s blame the black woman.

 

[Phil1]

Completely done for retweets and shares, can say whatever she wants outside the chamber but did it inside knowing she would get thrown out and the video would go viral.

Same as that video of her accosting those police when someone pulled the car she was in over.

Trying to Americanise the politics and discourse, embarrassing to see people lapping it up.

6th form stuff.

Imagine that being your take and not the fact that the leader of the country is a useless lying ****.
You don't care really do you? They could literally do whatever they wanted and the likes of you would lap it up because, err, well at least it's not labour..
Fucking country deserves what it gets whilst they are enabled and never taken to task by their supporters.

 

[crazyg]

You can say much more in the chamber than you can outside. Parliamentary privilege affords MP’s speaking in the House to speak freely without fear of legal action on the grounds of slander, and contempt of court.

As for the video of Butler ‘accosting‘ the police, I assume you mean when they accosted her and pulled over the car she was in for ’driving with reg plates registered in Yorkshire’.

The Met weaselled out by blaming ‘human error’ on their part, but yeah, let’s blame the black woman.

I still find it difficult to understand how the police managed to ascertain that the vehicle was from Yaarkshire, when, according to the ANPR information on the internet, it tells me that the camera (be it on a gantry or inside the police vehicle) optically scans the vehicle's number plate and AUTOMATICALLY provides the information from the PNC. This is what the"A" stands for in the acronym. There is therefore no requirement for the police officer to input ANY data into the system - it does it and displays it itself! Watch any "Police Interceptors" or "Traffic Cops" episode and this is borne out on every programme.
The excuse about "human error" is both incorrect and disingenuous in the extreme.
Bluntly, it's bollocks.