I agree. Its often the final attempt at increasing the price before pushing it over the line.
Its scaremongering and I see this as good news.
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I agree. Its often the final attempt at increasing the price before pushing it over the line.
Its scaremongering and I see this as good news.
Neville Kneville
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It's the decision we will have to make on most top players we go for. Those rag shites paid 30 million for a fullback & 59m for DiMaria. Straight away, that makes it difficult for us, then you include the City tax, & now the fact that they've seen us pay 44m for Sterling, every fucker is going to try & bleed us dry. We may be able to shave a few mil off here & there, but we are going to get generally shafted if we want top players. And it's not even our fault.
@fairyfeet I agree with you, but I think KDB will be very expensive. Rumors said if he should sign a new contract he will have a buy out clause of 42Mio£, available after the season 2015/16. Why should them sell him now for less? If he stays another year he will easily provide Wolfsburg 10Mio£ or even more (CL qualification, price money). The only way I can see this being cheaper is Kevin pushing for a move, but it doesn`t look like he will do it.
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fairyfeet
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Can't dispute that, but do we really need him that much?
fairyfeet
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Vidal will cost Bayern up to 40 million euros max according to reports. No way is De Bruyne worth more.
Neville Kneville
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When I first heard we were in for him, I was pretty much of the opinion 'absolutely not' , simply because of the loss of possession, leathering the ball over the bar, kind of stuff I'd seen from him. But then I thought about the number of times I've seen Siva & Nasri break through a back 4 only to turn round & do it again, & it dawned on me that some fucker who plays defence splitting pases, shoots, crosses & takes corners etc, is something we need, possibly more than we need anything else in football.
I think he could be the key, to open up everything.
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I'd say yes. We've now added real quality through Sterling but to add De Bruyne would give us a real threat in both wide positions and more balance. Looking further ahead, Silva isn't going to be around forever unfortunately. De Bruyne is a player who is capable of making his own space and creating a lot of scoring opportunities. He's a different player to Silva but he's capable of sharing the burden of creating chances, and we would then have a squad capable of playing well without Silva. You'd still rather Silva in the side but an attacking four of Sterling, Silva, De Bruyne, Aguero would be incredible. We could play near enough anyone behind them and in midfield and still have enough to win most games. If you look at Chelsea, they have Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Costa and sometimes push Fabregas into the role Oscar plays.
For me Sterling, Silva, De Bruyne, Aguero is even better.
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As much as i agree about the City tax the landscape has changed from the days we signed Silva, Yaya and Aguero-every foreign club knows about the big sky tv and other broadcasting deals in the PL so it loads up the asking prices.
When you think we got the above three players for less than £90 million it puts it into perspective, we are hardly buying the finished article in De Bruyne and Sterling but they will cost close on £90m.
I couldnt give a fuck what they cost personally as financially the club can afford it.
I wouldn't say glaring weaknesses, after all this is a squad which regularly finishes in the top 2, and most observers thought last season we had under-performed quite significantly. I certainly did.
Ideally you look at the squad and assess its strengths and weaknesses, and look to improve in the transfer market, but there must be all kinds of restrictions and influences such as players wishes (Negredo last season), financial restrictions, squad rules, player availability, creating space for the development of your academy players, and dealing with the heavyweights like Barcelona and Real Madrid.
In reality planning is probably done years ahead. City must know the contractual situation of all the top players, and know where we want to go, but how many of those players are available. There is a big gap now between the Premiership's top clubs and the top clubs in Europe because of the big financial gap in overseas leagues and City have to try and bridge the gap. The best way is to buy players with outstanding star quality like Sterling (I think he needs to improve but his raw talent is obvious). There are so few of these players available that you have to hope that the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona don't swoop or it destroys the best laid plans. I think when there are obvious talents available like De Bruyne you have to go for them even if it does not quite match the profile of your own squad.
I think City are one of the best managed clubs in the game although at times we could do with having our owner on hand to make the biggest decisions. The Abramovic model has its pros and cons, but it seemed to me that there was genuine uncertainty at the club last season which transferred to the players and fan. Certainly the fans.
The squad eligibility rules are particularly complicated. I haven't looked at them properly, but I think they are shaping the timing of our transfer activity. I hope so anyway as I want to believe the squad will get stronger.
Whatever your misgivings about City's management compare City with our rivals like Arsenal. Their Directors say they have £200m in the bank. They are in a fantastic position with a very stable squad which only needs one or two players, but what do they do? Nothing. That must be very frustrating. Consider also Utd. So much rubbish is written about £100m bids for Bale, you don't know what is true, but their activity with De Gea and Di Maria seems very strange. Only experienced striker at a club who have a European campaign. I am not sure that those running football clubs are as competent we think.
Well, first of all Vidal is "already" 28, that means KDB can provide at least 4 seasons more than Vidal could. You can always discuss "worth". At all I agree with you, I just wanted to show that if KDB should get a clause of 60mio€ they will not sell him this year for less.
He's worth what it takes City to take him out of Wolfsburg.
It would take Bayern less as they could choose their timing and intra European deals are much lower, but the top European clubs know the wealth in the Premiership and can just sit back and name their price.
What do you do if your City. Take a principled stand and do nothing. Then the gap between City and the top European clubs would grow wider still. You have to do what you have to do to secure the best players.
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Vidal also told Juve he wanted to leave once Bayern put in a bid. He's also coming off an inconsistent season. Vidal is not the transfer you go to compare with, too many things to take into consideration.
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That maybe true but I am sure if City could sign De Bruyne for less we would do. The deal is proving to be very protracted.
Wait 18 months and unsettle him and Bayern could do the deal at half the price.
It would cost City far more to be 5th place next season and fall behind. We have to keep progressing and pay heavily in the transfer mkt to do so.
fairyfeet
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Bayern are one of the richest clubs in the world. If they want someone there's no reason why they should get him any cheaper than a Premier-league side. I would be quite happy to see him join us beause he's a top player, but also happy enough for the club to take a principled stand if you like. We have great attacking options and will be good enough to achieve our aims as we are if the defence get their act together.
ADegenerate
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At this point I think I'd prefer it if we just stand pat and get the guys pep prefers next year.
Feels like a freeroll year (or blowoff year if you want to word it poorly).
It's a perfect year to just see what happens and then get what the next manager feels necessary. Pretty dumb to go spend like crazy if a new style, or system is coming.
Kinda gross to think that way, but I mean it's just better....
Feels like a freeroll year (or blowoff year if you want to word it poorly).
It's a perfect year to just see what happens and then get what the next manager feels necessary. Pretty dumb to go spend like crazy if a new style, or system is coming.
Kinda gross to think that way, but I mean it's just better....
SilverFox2
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As mentioned in a recent post the plans have been made by ADUG well in advance so his worth in the general market place may or may not be the same financial value.
City have targeted him as a 'must have' to improve the team, Bayern probably target him as backup value for when an existing player ceases to perform at top level.
However, thats what our owner has tasked ADUG with where they must balance our player needs with self sufficiency. They must find income to support their player spending so they are likely to have a maximum they can pay even if it is at a premium.
City have targeted him as a 'must have' to improve the team, Bayern probably target him as backup value for when an existing player ceases to perform at top level.
However, thats what our owner has tasked ADUG with where they must balance our player needs with self sufficiency. They must find income to support their player spending so they are likely to have a maximum they can pay even if it is at a premium.
Also pretty dumb to waste a season doing fuck all after a year of winning.....fuck all.