de jong to napoli?

[Mancio]

Could you explain coherently what De Jong does offer? With no references to passion etc. Thanks

His passing is top notch, hes a tidy footballer, he protects the defence superbly, hes very classy on the ball, so strong, he's a very intelligent player who reads the game superbly, hes a big game player and he gives City so much penetration. Without De Jong, we lack urgency and steel and any team in the Prem would love to have him. If you cannot see that, then De Jong really has knobbed your bird.

agree with all of that, and most importantly look at how we play when he is not there - second half at Birmingham, the whole match at Liverpool. Nigel De Jong is the heartbeat of the team, he breaks up play like noone else in the premier league, and his short passing to set up attacks are excellent; anyway the good news is that Roberto Mancini picks our team, and he well knows that NDJ is 1 of his 3 most valuable players; you know that, I know that, and 95% plus of City's regular fans know that

i agree

anyway still a doubt..... you say "anyway the good news is that Roberto Mancini picks our team and he well knows that NDJ is 1 of his 3 most valuable players; " so mancini is right , right ?

so... if tomorrow mancini would decide to sell de jong and sign someone other for that place i hope you dont suddenly turn on an, "that fuckyng idiot of a manager ...." LOL

 

[Sabster]

What. The. Fuck. Are. You. Talking. About?

Strength I can't provide stats, but I rarely see him go shoulder to shoulder and shit all ove rpeople in the way that Yaya does (but also look at his body it is not that strong).

In terms of tackles I can provide stats ;)

1) This season De Jong made 77 tackles. Lucas made 111 Parker 93, Song 79 (A player who he is believed to be considerably better than).

2) The season before, Mascherano made about 180 tackles and completed more passes than anyone else (if you want to be a sole DM these are the stats you need). De Jong made 60

Stats mean absolutely fuck all. Going off stats Henderson is better than Modric right? Going off stats, Malouda is the best player in the Premiership yes?

You talk absolute crap. Statistics can be manipulated in any way you want them to be.

In terms of chances created and key passes Modric is 5000x ahead of henderson

I agree they can, but how can you explain the lack of tackles from De Jong?

Stats are more advanced nowadays - did you see that article in the General Football Forum that said that loads of decisions are made on stats - it was very interesting.<br /><br />-- Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:24 pm --<br /><br />

Sabster come on man your takin the piss now .
You've got to be trying to wind a few people up here ?? I can honestly say your the first football fan I've come across who doesn't rate NDJ . If ur being genuine then you haven't got a fucking clue pal .
If we had De Jong fit for the 6 weeks at the end of Jan and Feb we may of won the league .
Please take ur head for a mighty wobble

so what are your thoughts if this is True, and Mancini is selling him?

 

[citizens_1976]

Ok, in reference to what you have said, and for the benefit of Swales:

From my point of view, I am of the opinion that, although I understand that you might not share this view, De Jong reads the game well and is good on the ball, however he is easily bypassed (due to his lack of pace) and does not make enough tackles, he often slows down our attacks as he very rarely plays a risky pass (this is not necessarily I negative), I don't believe he is that strong either.

I apologize if I have forced my OPINION on you.

Lack of pace? De Jong does not lack pace at all. Thats absolute nonsense. He is quicker than Tom Huddlestone, Lucas Leiva and Javier Masherano. He is one of the quickest defensive midfielders out there. Does not make enough tackles... are you kidding me? Hes all over the place, he would tackle his own grandma if he could and he would run through a brick wall for the cause. Hes an absolutely superb player. He does not slow down our attacks at all, he keeps the ball moving quickly, another absolute nonsense statement. Hes a monster, to say he isnt strong is a joke. Tell me who is stronger then, Sergio Busquets? haha i give up.

Check the stats

De Jong is slow, Mascherano is quick that is general opinion. He is probably the same speed as Huddlestone and Leiva.

Stronger: Essien, Yaya, Rooney etc

De Jong is quicker than Macherano, a lot quicker seriously. Hes the quickest out of the other 3 you mentioned, by a mile.

Rooney stronger, haha what a joker.
Yaya is bigger, but De Jong uses his strength in defensive situations a lot more. Hes much more assertive than Toure.

Essien? Why dont you download the Man City v Chelsea game at our place and see which one got bullied. Essien got arseeeeeeee raped.

To belittle our very own Nigel De Jong like this is an insult.

 

[BringBackSwales]

His passing is top notch, hes a tidy footballer, he protects the defence superbly, hes very classy on the ball, so strong, he's a very intelligent player who reads the game superbly, hes a big game player and he gives City so much penetration. Without De Jong, we lack urgency and steel and any team in the Prem would love to have him. If you cannot see that, then De Jong really has knobbed your bird.

agree with all of that, and most importantly look at how we play when he is not there - second half at Birmingham, the whole match at Liverpool. Nigel De Jong is the heartbeat of the team, he breaks up play like noone else in the premier league, and his short passing to set up attacks are excellent; anyway the good news is that Roberto Mancini picks our team, and he well knows that NDJ is 1 of his 3 most valuable players; you know that, I know that, and 95% plus of City's regular fans know that

What i dont get mate, is how these 2 arent happy with De Jong? He is one of the players who should be exempt from criticism. He is the heartbeat of our team in the middle of the park and if De Jong was to go, they would soon realise just how much we miss him.

I don't think they would realise because they don't get to that many City matches - 1 of them gets to 5 a season, the other none. There is noone I know who goes to matches, noone I sit near at home and away matches, who fails to see the value of NDJ; the negatives come from nerds who spend too much time trawling the internet for statistics, but I don't think a manager like Mancini plays someone based on their stats, he plays them for what they do in a match, and that's why he plays De Jong, and thats why he rested hom on the Monday night against the scousers before the semi final, and thats why he admitted after the match that he got it wrong; these know it alls with their stats need to get out a bit more and watch a few more live City matches; as for the comment about De Jong can't tackle, absolutely shagfuckering ridiculous

 

[Sabster]

De Jong slows down play??? hahaha you ever seen him play? De Jong keeps the ball moving and is vital to setting our tempo. He's constantly playing 1/2 touch passes to set the tempo when he doesn't play we look clueless. People don't give him enough credit for his contribution to our attacking play. Always makes himself available and barely ever loses the ball.

I am always happey to admit the positive side of his game (which I have done many times in this thread)

But honestly, do you not see him ofter shirking out of the riskier pass after a good move?

 

[shootmeifipost10k]

His passing is top notch, hes a tidy footballer, he protects the defence superbly, hes very classy on the ball, so strong, he's a very intelligent player who reads the game superbly, hes a big game player and he gives City so much penetration. Without De Jong, we lack urgency and steel and any team in the Prem would love to have him. If you cannot see that, then De Jong really has knobbed your bird.

Ok, in reference to what you have said, and for the benefit of Swales:

From my point of view, I am of the opinion that, although I understand that you might not share this view, De Jong reads the game well and is good on the ball, however he is easily bypassed (due to his lack of pace) and does not make enough tackles, he often slows down our attacks as he very rarely plays a risky pass (this is not necessarily I negative), I don't believe he is that strong either.

I apologize if I have forced my OPINION on you.

What. The. Fuck. Are. You. Talking. About?

Don't attemp it Toma.
The above is a fruit everyone knows it's a fruit and even though there's a supreme court ruling in america that says it's classed as a vegetable (sometimes) everyone knows it still is a fruit.

 

[citizens_1976]

agree with all of that, and most importantly look at how we play when he is not there - second half at Birmingham, the whole match at Liverpool. Nigel De Jong is the heartbeat of the team, he breaks up play like noone else in the premier league, and his short passing to set up attacks are excellent; anyway the good news is that Roberto Mancini picks our team, and he well knows that NDJ is 1 of his 3 most valuable players; you know that, I know that, and 95% plus of City's regular fans know that

What i dont get mate, is how these 2 arent happy with De Jong? He is one of the players who should be exempt from criticism. He is the heartbeat of our team in the middle of the park and if De Jong was to go, they would soon realise just how much we miss him.

I don't think they would realise because they don't get to that many City matches - 1 of them gets to 5 a season, the other none. There is noone I know who goes to matches, noone I sit near at home and away matches, who fails to see the value of NDJ; the negatives come from nerds who spend too much time trawling the internet for statistics, but I don't think a manager like Mancini plays someone based on their stats, he plays them for what they do in a match, and that's why he plays De Jong, and thats why he rested hom on the Monday night against the scousers before the semi final, and thats why he admitted after the match that he got it wrong; these know it alls with their stats need to get out a bit more and watch a few more live City matches; as for the comment about De Jong can't tackle, absolutely shagfuckering ridiculous

I have a feeling Dax could be American.

These 2 lads live on statistics, its ridiculously childish really.

De Jong is the player that gives off a huge presence amonst our players. Hes the spine of our midfield and anyone who cannot see that needs to watch him a little bit closer, instead of watching Udinese v Palermo and so on. Or even LA Galaxy v Kansas City wizards.

 

[Dax777]

Seriously mate, you are talking absolute garbage. To consider Lucas Leiva, Huddlestone and Song on the same shelf as De Jong is beyond laughable. As for Fellaini, he is nowhere near as good as De Jong, what because he strides forward more than De Jong?

Garbage? Actually I am not. I am just saying over the season a score of raters have rated their game to game performances and judged them to be about equal. I.e. The same point I have been making about City bais, has been proven by statisticians.It is not scientific, but when an average of unbaised raters rate him on per with the above mentioned, more likely than not, it is probably coz he is! Even if you disagree as an individual.

Put it this way, De Jong is fantastic and i mean FANTASTIC every season and im sure 80% of City fans on this forum will agree with me on this one. If you cannot see what De Jong offers to our team, i would go as far as to say you are retarded. Hes an absolute monster and a class act. Wears his heart on his sleeve, rarely gives the ball away, gives us a lot more penetration and he never stops working all game, hes a truly world class player.

I salute your emotional response. But it adds nothing to factual discourse. You are free to consider De Jong the best ever. Just like someone else can claim Lampard is the best player in the world. It doesn't change the fact that it is not an opinion shared by neutrals.

He is one of the last players you can criticise. As for Montolivo or any other flashy player you would want over De Jong, i will guarentee if we were to get him and he was to replace De Jong, that he wouldnt have half the impact De Jong has on our team, not even HALF. De Jong is a hard man and a technically great player all in one. City fans absolutely love him and i for one, absolutely love the man.

There in lies your problem, I have not criticized him. That is all in your head. I have only stated an opinion that differs from yours. The issue here is whether De Jong is World Class or not. I belong to the camp that believes he is not. Most City fans belong to the other camp. But every so often when this discussion comes up, the other camp tries so hard to pretend we are arguing that he is shit! A bullshit straw-man argument if I ever saw one.
The fact that my first post on this thread stated outright "ONLY A idiot WILL SUGGEST DE JONG IS SHIT" seems to have no bearing on the mob. Many of you continue "Retardedly" I might add, to pretend I am arguing he is shit. The only question left really, is whether you are one of those 'Many.'
I salute your emotional defense of De Jong, I'd do the same when talking to a non-City fan. But in the midst of family

 

[matt_MCFC]

I am actually gobsmacked to think that some of you would even consider letting De Jong go!

 

[BringBackSwales]

His passing is top notch, hes a tidy footballer, he protects the defence superbly, hes very classy on the ball, so strong, he's a very intelligent player who reads the game superbly, hes a big game player and he gives City so much penetration. Without De Jong, we lack urgency and steel and any team in the Prem would love to have him. If you cannot see that, then De Jong really has knobbed your bird.

agree with all of that, and most importantly look at how we play when he is not there - second half at Birmingham, the whole match at Liverpool. Nigel De Jong is the heartbeat of the team, he breaks up play like noone else in the premier league, and his short passing to set up attacks are excellent; anyway the good news is that Roberto Mancini picks our team, and he well knows that NDJ is 1 of his 3 most valuable players; you know that, I know that, and 95% plus of City's regular fans know that

i agree

anyway still a doubt..... you say "anyway the good news is that Roberto Mancini picks our team and he well knows that NDJ is 1 of his 3 most valuable players; " so mancini is right , right ?

so... if tomorrow mancini would decide to sell de jong and sign someone other for that place i hope you dont suddenly turn on an, "that fuckyng idiot of a manager ...." LOL

but he hasn't sold him has he you halfwit, and he won't sell him you dimwit, so your point is really a hypothetical fuckwit of a point isn't it?