ono
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Do you not think he's over run because he drops in too deep, which leaves his partner with too much grass to cover?Bigga said:
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De Jong
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Bigga
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Neil McNab said:He does his job very well, yeah agreed, but the job that he does is so minimal and unimportant, who cares?Jocks Y-Fronts said:Nigel is class - no flash, not a goal scorer, but he does his job flippin well.
Teams can't afford a player like him, Robinho could have said that his job was to dribble and do step overs when ever the ball came to him, that's all my job is.
Total bollocks, and to say RM picks him because he rates him is ridiculous, he has a small squad of midfielders that he has to nurse along to the end of the season, none of which were his choice apart from Vieria, who is still a better player than De Jong will ever be!
What an idiot.
Tell me, have you ever heard of Deschamps? Some, at the time, said the job he did was "so minimal and unimportant". Yet, he was highly highly regarded by his peers.
Now, tell me why.
Feed-The-Goat
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Lets use makalele as an example, did the exact same this as what NDJ is doing now, and was hailed as the fucking messiah by Chelsea fans and pundits, Chelsea won the title twice with him running their midfield!
NDJ does the same thing and is slagged off. Why?
Is it because he doesn't score? He does pass forward as much? Doesn't go on mazey runs like messi?
He's a fucking DEFENSIVE midfielder. His job is to defend the back 4 from attacks, win the ball and find the creative players around him, whether they be infront, to the side, or even behind him.
This shit about him being overatted or too defensive is annoying, a new thread on him is on here every 2-3 days.
He made Essien look like woman when we played Chelsea at home. The man who everyone would love at city!<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:05 pm --<br /><br />Lets use makalele as an example, did the exact same this as what NDJ is doing now, and was hailed as the fucking messiah by Chelsea fans and pundits, Chelsea won the title twice with him running their midfield!
NDJ does the same thing and is slagged off. Why?
Is it because he doesn't score? He does pass forward as much? Doesn't go on mazey runs like messi?
He's a fucking DEFENSIVE midfielder. His job is to defend the back 4 from attacks, win the ball and find the creative players around him, whether they be infront, to the side, or even behind him.
This shit about him being overatted or too defensive is annoying, a new thread on him is on here every 2-3 days.
He made Essien look like woman when we played Chelsea at home. The man who everyone would love at city!
NDJ does the same thing and is slagged off. Why?
Is it because he doesn't score? He does pass forward as much? Doesn't go on mazey runs like messi?
He's a fucking DEFENSIVE midfielder. His job is to defend the back 4 from attacks, win the ball and find the creative players around him, whether they be infront, to the side, or even behind him.
This shit about him being overatted or too defensive is annoying, a new thread on him is on here every 2-3 days.
He made Essien look like woman when we played Chelsea at home. The man who everyone would love at city!<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:05 pm --<br /><br />Lets use makalele as an example, did the exact same this as what NDJ is doing now, and was hailed as the fucking messiah by Chelsea fans and pundits, Chelsea won the title twice with him running their midfield!
NDJ does the same thing and is slagged off. Why?
Is it because he doesn't score? He does pass forward as much? Doesn't go on mazey runs like messi?
He's a fucking DEFENSIVE midfielder. His job is to defend the back 4 from attacks, win the ball and find the creative players around him, whether they be infront, to the side, or even behind him.
This shit about him being overatted or too defensive is annoying, a new thread on him is on here every 2-3 days.
He made Essien look like woman when we played Chelsea at home. The man who everyone would love at city!
KolarovsLeftPeg
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We don't need him against less threatening teams, that's right, if we have two centre-mids we don't need a holding mid. But you leave him out of the big games and we'll get ripped to shreds.
Clubber
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When we were scoring hat loads under hughes, people were going mad for NDJ, yet now we seem a more defensive style, he is getting flack, and people want him to be a ball playing meidfielder.
Nige is a top player, and has been playing ok. If we become a more attacking force agianst some of the teams at the end of the season, he will show how good he is.
Nige is the man, and i think he is a really good player.<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:15 pm --<br /><br />
I think we do. The rest of the team should be gung-ho (To a degree), and push on, yet he should be there to stop counters and break up the odd attacking passages from the opposition, and pass it to an attacking minded player.
Nige is a top player, and has been playing ok. If we become a more attacking force agianst some of the teams at the end of the season, he will show how good he is.
Nige is the man, and i think he is a really good player.<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:15 pm --<br /><br />
RyantheBlue said:We don't need him against less threatening teams, that's right, if we have two centre-mids we don't need a holding mid. But you leave him out of the big games and we'll get ripped to shreds.
I think we do. The rest of the team should be gung-ho (To a degree), and push on, yet he should be there to stop counters and break up the odd attacking passages from the opposition, and pass it to an attacking minded player.
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He's a good player, but very one dimensional.
He works best as the sole holding midfielder, but since we haven't played within a 4-3-3 in a while he's had to adapt to a different role within a 4-4-2, which by and large he's failed at.
When he plays in a 4-4-2 he plays the role of a central midfielder with a partner in the middle, albeit he's generally the more defensive of the two. In that role, attacking as well as defensive responsibilities are shared between the two central midfielders, De Jong's problem is he's very one dimensional, he's very good at one or two select things (e.g. tackling and closing down the opposition), but I think it's fair to say the rest of his game is quite limited. He's not very mobile, his range of passing is extremely limited, his technique isn't great, and his most striking limitation is his lack of confidence on the ball, I've never seen him carry the ball more than 2 or 3 yards since he signed for City, which is crucial in a 4-4-2.
When you add Barry into the equation it's<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:50 pm --<br /><br />...little wonder why we rely on the flanks so much, it's just way too negative in the centre of midfield.
De Jong is a good player, but he's ineffective in our current set up.
His inclusion does have a negative impact on the the balance of the side, without doubt.
He works best as the sole holding midfielder, but since we haven't played within a 4-3-3 in a while he's had to adapt to a different role within a 4-4-2, which by and large he's failed at.
When he plays in a 4-4-2 he plays the role of a central midfielder with a partner in the middle, albeit he's generally the more defensive of the two. In that role, attacking as well as defensive responsibilities are shared between the two central midfielders, De Jong's problem is he's very one dimensional, he's very good at one or two select things (e.g. tackling and closing down the opposition), but I think it's fair to say the rest of his game is quite limited. He's not very mobile, his range of passing is extremely limited, his technique isn't great, and his most striking limitation is his lack of confidence on the ball, I've never seen him carry the ball more than 2 or 3 yards since he signed for City, which is crucial in a 4-4-2.
When you add Barry into the equation it's<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:50 pm --<br /><br />...little wonder why we rely on the flanks so much, it's just way too negative in the centre of midfield.
De Jong is a good player, but he's ineffective in our current set up.
His inclusion does have a negative impact on the the balance of the side, without doubt.
DD
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Feed-The-Goat said:Lets use makalele as an example, did the exact same this as what NDJ is doing now, and was hailed as the fucking messiah by Chelsea fans and pundits, Chelsea won the title twice with him running their midfield!
NDJ does the same thing and is slagged off. Why?
Is it because he doesn't score? He does pass forward as much? Doesn't go on mazey runs like messi?
He's a fucking DEFENSIVE midfielder. His job is to defend the back 4 from attacks, win the ball and find the creative players around him, whether they be infront, to the side, or even behind him.
This shit about him being overatted or too defensive is annoying, a new thread on him is on here every 2-3 days.
He made Essien look like woman when we played Chelsea at home. The man who everyone would love at city!
-- Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:05 pm --
Lets use makalele as an example, did the exact same this as what NDJ is doing now, and was hailed as the fucking messiah by Chelsea fans and pundits, Chelsea won the title twice with him running their midfield!
NDJ does the same thing and is slagged off. Why?
Is it because he doesn't score? He does pass forward as much? Doesn't go on mazey runs like messi?
He's a fucking DEFENSIVE midfielder. His job is to defend the back 4 from attacks, win the ball and find the creative players around him, whether they be infront, to the side, or even behind him.
This shit about him being overatted or too defensive is annoying, a new thread on him is on here every 2-3 days.
He made Essien look like woman when we played Chelsea at home. The man who everyone would love at city!
Mascherano, Essien, Makalele could all win the ball but they had more to their armoury than then simply not knocking it to the side, they used it quickly and efficiently, sometimes in a forward manner, sometines not but nearly always within the amount of time it takes NDJ to realise he has actually got the ball.
Those split seconds, that speed of thought, make the difference between your class defensive midfielders and your average ones. The reason he has to fly into tackles so much is because his speed of thought is that split second behind. Comfortable 'holding' midfielders (and just when was this dreadful term born) don't need to fly in anywhere near as much, they have more positional and tactical nouse and can save valuable energy by intercepting and by reading the opposition's play. De Jong couldn't read a Famous Five book.
Other players can protect the back four but, at the same time, offer something else to the team. There should be no such thing as a midfielder who can do one thing but not even be slightly competent in other areas.
The stats speak for themselves. In the games De Jong has not played this year, we have won 8, drawn 2 and lost 1 (that loss was after extra time).
Given his mythical 'protection' of the back four too, it was interesting that we kept clean sheets in our first four games, all of which NDJ did not start in, and have only had double that amount in the 38 games we have played since.
I maintain that NDJ's slow and ponderous approach, stifles our natural counter-attacking instincts in a massive way. If we had Barry and Vieira in the two midfield slots every week then we would have created a significant amount of more chances and would probably have had fourth spot almost sewn up. Barry can protect the back four just as well as De Jong, it's just that because he does it in a tidier and less spectacular way, it doesn't get noticed as much.
NDJ is one of the most over-rated players I have seen in over three decades of watching the club.
keemcfc
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He needs to play against top 8 teams (the scum, Chelsea, arsenal, Liverpool, tottenham, villa, everton) as Vieira is to slow to protect us from fast counter attacks.
I think he will be vital if we get into and progress in the champions league (provided we don't get Yaya Toure or de Rossi or someone)
I think he will be vital if we get into and progress in the champions league (provided we don't get Yaya Toure or de Rossi or someone)
blueblood007
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De Jong has bin one of our top 5 players this year...what a shit thread this is.
You cant say we play worce with him playing thats just stupid we beat the likes of chelsea, arsenal, united with him playing just becasue we beat burnley without who may i add are shit and any player for city playing against them should do well..people come up with becasue he did not play thta we are a better team without him. crazy if you ask me he is an amazing player at what he does end of thread
You cant say we play worce with him playing thats just stupid we beat the likes of chelsea, arsenal, united with him playing just becasue we beat burnley without who may i add are shit and any player for city playing against them should do well..people come up with becasue he did not play thta we are a better team without him. crazy if you ask me he is an amazing player at what he does end of thread
bluebean
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its been said in here, he isnt needed against the lesser teams (No disrespect too them) as we can be a little less disciplined and more attack minded!
however against the top sides, he is vital and his job is too simply break things up before they get started! i.e. chelsea, arsenal.
arsenal are they masters of the passing game however we have beaten them twice already due partly de jong not enabling them too create.
however against the top sides, he is vital and his job is too simply break things up before they get started! i.e. chelsea, arsenal.
arsenal are they masters of the passing game however we have beaten them twice already due partly de jong not enabling them too create.