Elbow beards
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As I said it's pointless arguing. If I told you I get visited every night by a goblin, would you believe me without evidence?
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Dear Atheists..
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Irwell
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Preference is not evidence. I don't believe things because I like the idea, I believe things because on the balance of probabilities I think it is the most likely answer.There is undeniably something and I prefer it to be meaningful rather than just a brute fact. The preference of most people I suggest
Where you say there is "undeniably something", what do you mean by this? If you mean a god, I would most definitely deny it on the balance of probabilities.
Why would you prefer to believe in a vengeful, spiteful, all-knowing and all-powerful deity rather than just believing that matter and energy just exist? I'm not sure I like the idea of a deity that is so far above me in power, yet is so petty that it will subject me to eternal torture for not thinking it exists.
Also, my guess is that Yahweh is probably the same deity that those local to the area you were born in predominantly believe in, but why is your deity the one true deity? What is it about Yahweh that makes you believe in that specific deity rather than one of the multitude of others?
johnny crossan
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yet here you areAs I said it's pointless arguing. If I told you I get visited every night by a goblin, would you believe me without evidence?
johnny crossan
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'petty', 'vengeful', 'spiteful', 'eternal torture'.... if you actually believe that stuff I can see why you'd steer clear.Preference is not evidence. I don't believe things because I like the idea, I believe things because on the balance of probabilities I think it is the most likely answer.
Where you say there is "undeniably something", what do you mean by this? If you mean a god, I would most definitely deny it on the balance of probabilities.
Why would you prefer to believe in a vengeful, spiteful, all-knowing and all-powerful deity rather than just believing that matter and energy just exist? I'm not sure I like the idea of a deity that is so far above me in power, yet is so petty that it will subject me to eternal torture for not thinking it exists.
Also, my guess is that Yahweh is probably the same deity that those local to the area you were born in predominantly believe in, but why is your deity the one true deity? What is it about Yahweh that makes you believe in that specific deity rather than one of the multitude of others?
I don't consider an argument to be evidence. You can't provide any. It's a philosophical debate, so there should be logical reasoning, but can't see that anywhere either.Yes, the question is what you count as evidence of course and what you consider to be proof.
johnny crossan
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maybe you're not looking properly then.I don't consider an argument to be evidence. You can't provide any. It's a philosophical debate, so there should be logical reasoning, but can't see that anywhere either.
Maybe I'm not. Maybe you're just not providing any.maybe you're not looking properly then.
Irwell
Well-Known Member
Read the book...'petty', 'vengeful', 'spiteful', 'eternal torture'.... if you actually believe that stuff I can see why you'd steer clear.
Either way, whether I want to believe it or not is irrelevant. If I felt the balance of probabilities leaned that way then I would believe in it. I find Donald Trump distasteful too and would rather he didn't exist, but despite this I feel that on the balance of probabilities he most likely exists having seen videos of the man.
Elbow beards
Well-Known Member
Oh I'm not arguing, I'm just pointing out you believe in a fairy without any evidence to back it up and you somehow think we should agree with you.yet here you are
BlueMoonRisin’
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I've been reading this thread with interest and you remind me of a flat earther called Hodge who kept arguing the toss till his claim of earth flatness became repetitive futile and boring. Although I don't believe the earth is flat I cut him some slack and left it to several others to ridicule him and some of it was plain nasty towards him. He eventually got hounded off Bluemoon but I admired him for sticking to his beliefs without wavering, even though some of his claims were ridiculous.yet here you are
You believe in god and that's perogative and because you cannot prove God exists you're always gonna get questioned especially when making bold claims without any proof. I am ambivalent on whether God exists. I think I do but - "Oooh, and it makes me wonder" - as Robert Plant once sang: )