Dear Atheists..

johnny crossan said:
Lol
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How many different people are you debating with on this thread? Say 20 at a guess? How many of those 20 do you believe you will convince that you are right? You know that answer. So, you're doing this to convince yourself that you're not wrong.
 
tonea2003 said:
are you saying the old testament is a load of old cobblers then

you just a new testament man?


do we have a breakthrough here?
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The entire basis of the Christian religion is that the "new covenant" supersedes the old one. It's a very daft question.
 
Damocles said:
The entire basis of the Christian religion is that the "new covenant" supersedes the old one. It's a very daft question.
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not for everyone, so no its not "very daft"

  • The answer is no. The fact that God inaugurated a new covenant does not mean that He made a mistake with the old covenant. The reason for this, however, may not be immediately evident. The answer to the question becomes clearer when we examine Jeremiah 31:31–34, in which the prophet foresees the inauguration of the new covenant.
and even if it is very daft this is from just one book of the new covenant

  1. Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
  2. Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13
  3. Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11
  4. Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex 21:15, Lev 20:9, Dt 21:18-21) 7:9-10
  5. Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49
  6. God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and gives the vineyard to others. 12:1-9
  7. Jesus tells his disciples to eat his body and drink his blood. 14:22-24
  8. Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned
and that is before you get to revelations which is pretty much all violent
 
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Marklr said:
How many different people are you debating with on this thread? Say 20 at a guess? How many of those 20 do you believe you will convince that you are right? You know that answer. So, you're doing this to convince yourself that you're not wrong.
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Bit of missionary work during the international break provides me with a little light relief and the faint possibility that some of the inveterate (and often disrespectful) atheists who inhabit this thread may find some enlightenment. You never know ;-)
 
tonea2003 said:
not for everyone, so no its not "very daft"

  • The answer is no. The fact that God inaugurated a new covenant does not mean that He made a mistake with the old covenant. The reason for this, however, may not be immediately evident. The answer to the question becomes clearer when we examine Jeremiah 31:31–34, in which the prophet foresees the inauguration of the new covenant.
and even if it is very daft this is from just one book of the new covenant

  1. Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
  2. Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13
  3. Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11
  4. Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex 21:15, Lev 20:9, Dt 21:18-21) 7:9-10
  5. Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49
  6. God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and gives the vineyard to others. 12:1-9
  7. Jesus tells his disciples to eat his body and drink his blood. 14:22-24
  8. Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned
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The holes you dig for yourself are indeed fathomless.
 
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