Death of the pub, its impact on society.

[BrianW]

Beer in pubs has gone up massively in real terms over the last 20-30 years. That's the #1 factor. It started with breweries getting greedy and has ended with the government apparently trying to tax us all into being tea-drinkers. For many people the dirt-cheap wee in cans available from supermarkets is an acceptable substitute.

When I were a lad in the 70s it was the norm to go in pubs at lunchtime at least one or two days a week, and for many of us at least six. Nowadays the working environment is much more po-faced/serious/professional (whatever you want to call it.) Anyway, the point is most work places frown upon lunchtime drinking nowadays, if they don't actually ban it altogether. This must have given the pub trade a massive hit.

An old-fashioned well-run pub was a civilising factor in society. I've had many a polite 'word' from landlords/landladies in the past when I crossed the line. It helped teach me how to behave, how to behave myself in the company of other blokes, how to be a man. I don't think pubs of this kind exist any more - at best, they're vanishingly rare.

 

[simonk]

The smoking ban, and it doesn't matter if you agree with it or not, killed a lot of City centre pubs due to lack of outdoor space. I agree that pubs are cleaner now but go to a nightclub, all you can smell is sweat. I'd rather smell tobacco.

A friend of mine is in the business and says Bars in town centres haven't experienced too much change but local Pubs don't get the business. Interestingly, Wetherspoons now make more from food than beer.

I myself hate Pubs and prefer to have a night in with food, beer and music / films as opposed to getting through £30 in the Pub to be surrounded by pissheads and desperate Women. Football is the one true saviour as I love a crowd for it. I'll rarely go out for just a Pint with someone. I can't be bothered.

where did you say that was again?

 

[Why Always Ste]

Problem?

People are too nostalgic with Pubs, They are Businesses.
They operate on your money, People will get into this business to make money.
Sure the local Barman might be friendly with you but that's his job.
The market over-saturated with pubs on every corner, now we're seeing the decline as people are losing money.
It is balancing itself out.

I was dragged around Pubs as a kid, I remember being left alone at a young age as well on a regular basis so my Dad could maintain his social life which revolved around pubs (and still does 20+years later)

I dislike Pubs, I find them boring but to be honest I'm not a massive drinker anymore.
I'd rather spend my money going out somewhere, for a walk or whatever.

The smoking ban is not the death of Pubs - the access to cheaper booze and other forms of entertainment is, as is a wider variety in lifestyle choices.
Many lads I know would rather sit in their home with a few cans and smoke weed playing Fifa rather than sit in the pub.

I've probably spent more hours this week on this message forum than I have inside pubs in the past year.
this makes me a sad bastard? well I think sitting in a pub is sad, I'd rather be out cycling/running/with the dog or something.

 

[talkativesprout]

Many lads I know would rather sit in their home with a few cans and smoke weed playing Fifa rather than sit in the pub.

This will certainly improve the powers of interaction with fellow man/women and as such lending credance to my OP. you obviously have problems with your dad, which i wouldnt dream of commenting on. I gleamed a lot from my old fella's sunday outings. Confidence when having my leg pulled to have a pop back, manners if you didnt have em you got a clip, the ability to take a joke directed at you with a smile and many more.

I for one are very happy my dad took me to learn the lesssons of the ungodly.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Many lads I know would rather sit in their home with a few cans and smoke weed playing Fifa rather than sit in the pub.

This will certainly improve the powers of interaction with fellow man/women and as such lending credance to my OP. you obviously have problems with your dad, which i wouldnt dream of commenting on. I gleamed a lot from my old fella's sunday outings. Confidence when having my leg pulled to have a pop back, manners if you didnt have em you got a clip, the ability to take a joke directed at you with a smile and many more.

I for one are very happy my dad took me to learn the lesssons of the ungodly.

I didn't spend my childhood in a pub yet I have none of the problems you listed.

 

[waterloo blue]

My mam and dad had pubs for years,and a couple of social clubs.
I worked behind the bar at 16,for my pocket money.
It definitely helped me to associate with blokes older than my contemperaries,I had the piss taken out of me and learned to give back as much as I got.
I learned lessons on gambling being my dads partner at don and crib,some of them painful.You saw all human life in these places,fighting,loving,heartbreak and real community spirit.
I was shaped by this and along with going to City,they formed the backbone of my youth.I can see why they are going down the gurgler,it's just sad really that the local pub will soon be a memory.
What will happen to Sunday football,pub football teams were the sign of a good pub.

 

[Why Always Ste]

Many lads I know would rather sit in their home with a few cans and smoke weed playing Fifa rather than sit in the pub.

This will certainly improve the powers of interaction with fellow man/women and as such lending credance to my OP. you obviously have problems with your dad, which i wouldnt dream of commenting on. I gleamed a lot from my old fella's sunday outings. Confidence when having my leg pulled to have a pop back, manners if you didnt have em you got a clip, the ability to take a joke directed at you with a smile and many more.

I for one are very happy my dad took me to learn the lesssons of the ungodly.

Hmm, it's a sweeping statement to judge every man's social skills based on what they're currently doing, without knowing what they have experienced previously or where they plan to go.

I don't smoke weed personally, I'm only commenting on lads I have associated myself with over the years who share similar demographics.

I disliked going into pubs as a kid, this has nothing to do with personal issues with my father, more so the fact that I much preferred to be out and about doing child like things rather than stuck in a pub with pissed up men playing dominoes.

Each to their own, I had a brief time in my early adult life of going into pubs and drinking.... I found it shit and was only doing it as my mates did it. (baaa)

 

[talkativesprout]

Many lads I know would rather sit in their home with a few cans and smoke weed playing Fifa rather than sit in the pub.

This will certainly improve the powers of interaction with fellow man/women and as such lending credance to my OP. you obviously have problems with your dad, which i wouldnt dream of commenting on. I gleamed a lot from my old fella's sunday outings. Confidence when having my leg pulled to have a pop back, manners if you didnt have em you got a clip, the ability to take a joke directed at you with a smile and many more.

I for one are very happy my dad took me to learn the lesssons of the ungodly.

I didn't spend my childhood in a pub yet I have none of the problems you listed.

But being the son of god your obviously gonna win the, "my dads bigger than your dad argument" ;)

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

This will certainly improve the powers of interaction with fellow man/women and as such lending credance to my OP. you obviously have problems with your dad, which i wouldnt dream of commenting on. I gleamed a lot from my old fella's sunday outings. Confidence when having my leg pulled to have a pop back, manners if you didnt have em you got a clip, the ability to take a joke directed at you with a smile and many more.

I for one are very happy my dad took me to learn the lesssons of the ungodly.

I didn't spend my childhood in a pub yet I have none of the problems you listed.

But being the son of god your obviously gonna win the, "my dads bigger than your dad argument" ;)

I usually end up putting every penny I have in the Deal Or No Deal machine and spend the rest of the night scabbing drinks off my mates.

I like the atmosphere of a good pub but I'd say that only 1 in every 10 pub I've been in has been in any way decent.

 

[talkativesprout]

I didn't spend my childhood in a pub yet I have none of the problems you listed.

But being the son of god your obviously gonna win the, "my dads bigger than your dad argument" ;)

I usually end up putting every penny I have in the Deal Or No Deal machine and spend the rest of the night scabbing drinks off my mates.

I like the atmosphere of a good pub but I'd say that only 1 in every 10 pub I've been in has been in any way decent.

See, if your dad had had you in pubs early doors you would of learned the art of pickpocketing