Denmark v Finland | Euro 2020 Group Stage

[HamannCheese]

Still a bit in shock after yesterday. Found it hard to watch Belgium Russia game. My brain seems to have made a connection now between football and near death. I've lost my appetite for the games. The results just don't seem important anymore.

Those live images of him getting CPR and the crowd being stunned into silence will always be with me.

 

[richardtheref]

Credit to Taylor for stopping the game almost immediately (5 seconds) and getting the medics on. I know refs are trained for this situation but I doubt any of them would think they would have to do it during a game. He handled the entire situation really well.

Maybe @richardtheref can give us more insight how refs are trained for this

I have never had any training whatsoever in how to deal with this. Once you get to Northern Premier and above all clubs are supposed to have someone medically trained on hand but this is usually not very advanced. The referee does not even have to have a 1st aid certificate which I have always found strange when you consider a lot of referees will be reffing Sundayleague/pub sides etc. It's certainly something the FA should look into.

I used to referee a pre season friendly for Tow Law every year which was for the Heart Foundation charity. This was because a player had died on the pitch and the only person medically qualified was the referee who was a policeman. If there had been someone present with proper training the outcome may have been different.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

As so often happens these days, when there is a shared awful event, it's turned into an "I'm more morally upset and outraged than you" angry social and other media, contest, and "heads must roll". Forget about your own autonomy not to sit there watching it if you choose; blame someone else.
One thing we can all share is the enormous sense of relief and gratitude.

The beeb knows their audience. They got the attention and reaction they wanted and the now generic societal apology afterwards whilst now the casuals will turn in and be talking about it to their friends all week. Job done.

A streaker just gets "tut" indignation and no emotional viewer investment so the apology isn't worth the effort.

Just a marketing ploy and knowing how to trigger their viewer base.

 

[Xhavenjoe]

That was a very dark weekend for F1, Roland Ratzenberger died a couple of days before during practice

So true.
Only 2 weekends ago there was a motorcyclist killed at the Moto GP.
It barely made the sports news.

 

[kippaxwarrior]

I have never had any training whatsoever in how to deal with this. Once you get to Northern Premier and above all clubs are supposed to have someone medically trained on hand but this is usually not very advanced. The referee does not even have to have a 1st aid certificate which I have always found strange when you consider a lot of referees will be reffing Sundayleague/pub sides etc. It's certainly something the FA should look into.

I used to referee a pre season friendly for Tow Law every year which was for the Heart Foundation charity. This was because a player had died on the pitch and the only person medically qualified was the referee who was a policeman. If there had been someone present with proper training the outcome may have been different.

Thanks for the reply.

Didnt know refs were not taught first aid by the FA. I find that strange. Im not Taylors biggest fan but I think he handled the situation incredibly well

 

[Blue Maverick]

I have never had any training whatsoever in how to deal with this. Once you get to Northern Premier and above all clubs are supposed to have someone medically trained on hand but this is usually not very advanced. The referee does not even have to have a 1st aid certificate which I have always found strange when you consider a lot of referees will be reffing Sundayleague/pub sides etc. It's certainly something the FA should look into.

I used to referee a pre season friendly for Tow Law every year which was for the Heart Foundation charity. This was because a player had died on the pitch and the only person medically qualified was the referee who was a policeman. If there had been someone present with proper training the outcome may have been different.

Basic life support ABC is very easy, it maybe a good idea at the start of a season to take 30 mins before your first training session to go through it, immediate CPR on someone great increases their chances of survival and it’s not hard to do. It’s all about confidence in you know what you are doing. You can go inline and learn it, you can’t really harm anyone if they are already dead so to speak, it’s better to do something than nothing.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

The beeb knows their audience. They got the attention and reaction they wanted and the now generic societal apology afterwards whilst now the casuals will turn in and be talking about it to their friends all week. Job done.

A streaker just gets "tut" indignation and no emotional viewer investment so the apology isn't worth the effort.

Just a marketing ploy and knowing how to trigger their viewer base.

Different argument, but I'd conjecture the beeb has absolutely no idea of its audience. One for off topic perhaps. Another day.

The "streaker scenario" is popular and makes good emotive comment, but is comparison here really applicable? Not so sure.

 

[richardtheref]

Basic life support ABC is very easy, it maybe a good idea at the start of a season to take 30 mins before your first training session to go through it, immediate CPR on someone great increases their chances of survival and it’s not hard to do. It’s all about confidence in you know what you are doing. You can go inline and learn it, you can’t really harm anyone if they are already dead so to speak, it’s better to do something than nothing.

Very good advice. I had to retire 4 years ago due to having knee replacement. I never did any proper training for this but having a Doctor as my mother I did know the basics but I think your suggestion is very good.

Also, with regards to head injuries, my only "training" for this was when I fractured my skull playing for Bishop Auckland refs against Sunderland refs. Luckily a Dr was present.

 

[hammocity]

Basic life support ABC is very easy, it maybe a good idea at the start of a season to take 30 mins before your first training session to go through it, immediate CPR on someone great increases their chances of survival and it’s not hard to do. It’s all about confidence in you know what you are doing. You can go inline and learn it, you can’t really harm anyone if they are already dead so to speak, it’s better to do something than nothing.

I don't know the stats but a fella I used to do my accounts passed away last year, his wife said he just dropped to the floor, the Paramedics got there quite quickly and tried to revive him for around 30 minutes without success. I guess Erickson got the best available treatment on the spot whilst the rest of us are left to luck but as you say trying CPR is better than nothing, they should teach it at School.

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[Berts Neck]

It is very interesting reading about the different perspectives about what happened yesterday and the approaches that could have been taken, match on or match off. To be honest I was a broken man yesterday.
In November 2017 I was coming back from work, a GP. Finished early that day and was coming home in the car when my youngest boy called me and told me his brother had collapsed. Was home within in two minutes to find my wife doing CPR on my son. Truthfully as a doctor he was so cyanosed (grey) I thought he was gone. I just hit doctor mode and continued the CPR. I timed it and funnily it was 13 minutes before the paramedics arrived. The same time that Christian had for resus. We all worked in him for about another 30 minutes and so much was going in my head whilst doing the CPR which the paramedics asked me to continue as I was a doctor. How do I tell my parents their grandson has died,just very neagtive thoughts? The team that came was fantastic. Suddenly after 45 minutes my son got a normal heart rhythm, woke up, vomited and I was there to cradle his head and tell him it was all going to be fine. He ended up in St Thomas's Hospital, has a pacemaker and defibrillator in his chest and is alive and well.After over 30 years as a doctor saving my son was my greatest achievement.
He was lying on a rug in our living room that was covered in blood and vomit and I threw it out behind the garage and just could not bear to move it, just lying there for 4 years. We are moving house and yesterday morning had to move it as unsightly.Then Christian, which is also my youngest son's name, suffered the same trauma. I know, just coincidence but brought back bad memories.
I can see both sides of the argument for the match going on or being called off. Truthfully, after that experience I was in a complete daze. I suspect his family, the players, and even the fans would be in a total daze. I would have called it off. We live in a world where we all have an opinion and comment. Truthfully sometimes unless it affects you personally, it is hard to understand trauma.