She's fucked up massively and her explanation seems to have a whiff of her waffling her way out of it. Not going to deny that I've never particularly liked her but on the flip side, it's hilarious seeing all these prominent right wing racist cunts in the media trying to take the moral high ground.I appreciate all that and its right but if you actually read what she was explaining ( very badly ) is that there is a hierarchy of racism which is kind of being proven by the reaction in the press which is more geared to get Abbot and get at Labour than it is about proper analysis of what she was saying. Yes we are all aware of what happened under the Nazis but where today is the support for say travellers, Slavs and homosexuals who were persecuted by the Nazi's in equal percentages just not numbers?
Abbott is a fool who has offered up a stupid excuse - whatever she says they were the thoughts in her head - if you harbour shit like that in there you are racist/sexist/homophobic and so on - if you don't harbour those thoughts whether you air them or not own what you are.
Not a fan of hers or agree in any way with her comments but can’t help thinking the reaction is a little over the top and suspending the whip is excessive, and is more political than principled.
Well it is political yes. And she's a politician. Here's a tip for Labour politicians. If you know that your party has been tarnished with a reputation for antisemitism, whether or not you think it's justified, try not to go out of your way to write an letter about how Jewish people's racism is different (let's be honest, lesser) to those of other racial minorities.Not a fan of hers or agree in any way with her comments but can’t help thinking the reaction is a little over the top and suspending the whip is excessive, and is more political than principled.
Thick as fuck & has done more damage than good to the Labour Party. The political equivalent of Danny MillsHorrible woman and always has been.
Let's be honest, that's clearly anger about a war. But if those same people sent death threats or bricked the windows of the local Russian shop, yes that would clearly be racist for me. Similarly, it was racist when America rounded up all of the ethnic Japanese in WW2 and held them in camps. It wasn't not racist because they didn't also round up all of the other East-Asian looking people.Let me give an example for context, if you look in the holiday thread there are a few people who are saying “much better without the Russians”, “I hope no Russians” that type of thing - many who have had holidays where the Russians were would likely have some sympathy.
Same thang as Costello.What dos Russ say?
Thick as fuck & has done more damage than good to the Labour Party. The political equivalent of Danny Mills
Well it is political yes. And she's a politician. Here's a tip for Labour politicians. If you know that your party has been tarnished with a reputation for antisemitism, whether or not you think it's justified, try not to go out of your way to write an letter about how Jewish people's racism is different (let's be honest, lesser) to those of other racial minorities.
But also her argument is absolute bollocks. One could make the argument that white-looking minorities in the modern era, like Jews, travellers, gay people, etc, could fly under the radar by simply hiding their identity, whereas black/brown people can never do that. It's not a great argument, basically meaning that you're saying that not being able to openly live according to your culture without fear of attack or abuse isn't (technically) racism. But I get that some people might define racism as purely a colour thing, which is very much an academic argument - is racism just about colour or does it include ethnicity and culture? But that's not what she said. She said that 'there were no white-seeming people manacled on slave ships' as if there isn't some equivalency between that and the holocaust, which was explicitly about racial purity, and pointed to pre-civil rights America and South Africa, as if Jews didn't face centuries of similar segregation in many European countries leading up to the holocaust. Given that she's pointing to historical examples that are older than the holocaust, she is basically arguing that the holocaust wasn't racist prejudice, it was something different. Given that even if you believe that, it's such an academic and inconsequential distinction, why the fuck would you feel the need to make that distinction given that your party is trying to recover its image after being accused of antisemitism? For a politician, she just doesn't seem very good at politics.