Did it bother anyone that we started with NO...

I'm not overly bothered. In time, the new academy ought to produce good players (both English and non-English) which will be important to the long-term sustainability of the club but that can wait for the time being.

As to yesterday, on another day Micah, Milner, and Lescott would've all started but they'll get their chances this season (particularly the first two but Lescott still has a lot to offer as well). Remember, Micah also got the nod ahead of Zab against Bayern the other week which hardly smacks of our manager favouring foreign players over English players.

I'll also point out that this is hardly a new phenomenon at City and long before the takeover our starting line-up for the last ever Maine Road derby didn't contain a single English player. We won 3-1 that day and I don't seem to recall anyone giving a flying fuck about the lack of English players in the team.
 
Had this argument on Facebook the other day . I think I comfortably won it . I just stated how Liverpool often fielded teams without English players in their success. How England have consistently been average and it isn't something new. I also asked where we could get our English aguero, silva, yaya and Kompany from . Or shall we sign overpriced English shite just because of the fact they're English . They said clubs like us are ruining the game . I asked for the evidence of this when, baring in mind, there are now about six different teams that could win the league . I also stated how we're building a multi billion pound youth development complex but I guess we won't be thanked if top English players come through there .

All that matters to me is city . Couldn't give a fook about the national side .

Some seriously bitter fookers out there.
 
You can't blame City for it, but yes it bothers me. I blame the changing of the 3 foreigner rule in the mid 90's. If they'd have stuck with that, our country would have been forced to nurture english talent. There is of course the home grown player rule, but this does nothing to help the national team, as home grown players can be from anywhere as long as they're trained locally and so on and so on. Inter Milan have very few Italians in their side. In fact, when they won the CL in 2010, there wasn't one. Yes it bothers me, but not blamin our club for it. We have people at the F.A. That are passionate about this and now, with a change at the top and listening to Greg Dyke's views, it's a breath of fresh air.
 
hallstreetblue said:
You can't blame City for it, but yes it bothers me. I blame the changing of the 3 foreigner rule in the mid 90's. If they'd have stuck with that, our country would have been forced to nurture english talent. There is of course the home grown player rule, but this does nothing to help the national team, as home grown players can be from anywhere as long as they're trained locally and so on and so on. Inter Milan have very few Italians in their side. In fact, when they won the CL in 2010, there wasn't one. Yes it bothers me, but not blamin our club for it. We have people at the F.A. That are passionate about this and now, with a change at the top and listening to Greg Dyke's views, it'us a breath of fresh air.
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If they had that rule, we'd prob be a mid table side even with all this money . Who would you drop out of aguero, Zab, yaya, silva, Kompany ect ?. If they had that silly rule, the football would be nowhere near the standard it is now . You can't say the national side would be world beaters because it practically never has been apart from One occasion with a home advantage . We have no given right to be world beaters and people need to get that in their heads .
 
It didn't bother me at all but I'd love to see some local lads make it through to the first team. The likes of Doyle, Lakey, Young etc were Blues from being kids. It would give me a greater affinity with the team if we could Manchester lads who are blues making it into the team but sadly I can't see it happening.
 
haven't read back so may have already said, but I'd rather have someone like Zaba and Kompany who are appear to care than someone English players who clearly don't give a fcuk like Danny Mills!
 
Yes it did,i'm not sure why because we have a awesome team but it saddens me to see milner not starting,pellers does seem to value him and micah and of course lescott below the others.They give the english hard work non flair stuff that the others sometime lack but every team needs.dont even get me started on getting rid of gaz
 
It's always worth remembering that the last derby at Maine Road (11 years ago this week) started without a single English (or British) player. The nearest I guess was Richard Dunne (Rep of Ireland) and this was at a time when we talked of how successful our Academy was at bringing players through. Okay that was an exception but I'm sure that in a few years when the Academy and new complex are effective and working properly then the squad will look somewhat different.

I'd much rather be in the place we're in now with a non-English team than where we were eleven years ago with a non-English side (though the last Maine Road derby was something special of course!).
 
One of the main problems is the fee commanded for English players. Milner cost more than both Silva and YaYa (Obviously taking away wages)
2010

James Milner (Aston Villa): £26m

Yaya Toure (Barcelona): £24m

David Silva (Valencia): £24m

Figures taken from MuEN

Also Negredo cost half of what Liverpool paid for Andy Carroll
 
Not at all. English players are vastly over-rated in the main. And that's why they're overpriced. I love Milner but he's nowhere near as good as Yaya and Silva yet cost more. What is the value of the estimated transfer fees that the England squad would get? And then compare that with other national teams prices.

EDIT: I bet Andros 'Pele' Townsend costs about 80 million right now because he scored once and set someone up.
 
Went to the game on Saturday, and not once did I think, wow there's no Enlishmen out there.
My son and I were just eulogising about the quality of Silva, how Nasri is so much better this season,
Sergio back to his best and how Yaya has become our free kick specialist.

Who cares where they are all from, the play for City. That's all that matters to me.
 
Definitely NOT. The media should concern themselves with the fact that our national cricket team doesnt have 11 Englishmen in it!!
 
Not really.

If English players were good enough, they would play, simple. It would be ridiculous to discriminate against nationality and play inferior players. I don't even think that would necessarily help English players progress, if they were given special privileges there would be less incentive to improve.
 
Why then did the Rags manage to win so many league with a decent amount of Brtit players? If it's about English players being more expensive then we should pay that money. It's been proven time sand time again that having a smattering of English players in your starting 11 wins you the league.
 
malg said:
Why then did the Rags manage to win so many league with a decent amount of Brtit players? If it's about English players being more expensive then we should pay that money. It's been proven time sand time again that having a smattering of English players in your starting 11 wins you the league.
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Rags aren't treated the same. Roy Hodgson complained that Lescott wasn't playing enough, yet made Danny Welbeck a fixture even though they had very similar amounts of play time last season and he's shit.
 
SuperYaya said:
Not really.

If English players were good enough, they would play, simple. It would be ridiculous to discriminate against nationality and play inferior players. I don't even think that would necessarily help English players progress, if they were given special privileges there would be less incentive to improve.
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Agreed. If you were picking a European starting 11 which Englishmen would you include? I can't think of any on present form.
That's the problem at International level we just haven't produced any European class never mind world class players so our national side fails at the highest level of competition. We look great in the qualifiers but when the real competition starts we can't compete.

The answer surely comes down to coaching and that has to start at grass roots level.

Looking forward to tomorrow night's game. Hoping to see our strongest side for first 45 minutes to wrap up the game by half-time!
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