Diego Carlos

[Barcon]

I really like Koulibaly but... I don't think he'll be a leader for us. He'll be a new player, who never played the PL (only played Ligue 1 and Serie A) and who probably doesn't even speak english (fluently). Same goes for Upamencano of course. But he's 21 and KK is 29, meaning in 4-5 years Upamecano could be a real leader and in 4-5 years Koulibaly will be retired or too bad for us.

On the other hand KK would probably form a good centre back double with Laporte, given that they both speak french. But so does Upamecano.
A Laporte-Koulibaly pair would last 3-4 years, a Laporte-Upamecano pair would last 7-8 years.
Koulibaly will cost 65M-80M, Upamecano will cost 70M-90M but this could be less if we throw Angeliño in the deal.
Koulibaly is getting 250k/week at Napoli; Upamecano is getting 50k/week at Leipzig so he'd be way cheaper even with a considerable raise if we signed him.

For me it's a no brainer. There's no way we can get a fully-developed leader right now, they're all taken: Virgil, Ramos, Maguire, Giménez, Bonucci...

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

 

[zepenedo]

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

Put any CB in Man Utd's defense and see the results they'll get. Maguire is not as bad as he showed this season. Is he worth what they paid for him? Of course not. But that doesn't mean he's awful. If you had paired him with van Dijk at Liverpool or with Laporte for us and you'd probably be thinking a different way.

Hell, put Wan-Bissaka, Maguire, Upamecano and a decent LB in United's defense and you'll see the difference.

 

[Barcon]

Put any CB in Man Utd's defense and see the results they'll get. Maguire is not as bad as he showed this season. Is he worth what they paid for him? Of course not. But that doesn't mean he's awful. If you had paired him with van Dijk at Liverpool or with Laporte for us and you'd probably be thinking a different way.

Hell, put Wan-Bissaka, Maguire, Upamecano and a decent LB in United's defense and you'll see the difference.

You said he was a fully developed leader. He's fucking garbage and not a leader. He's barely an upgrade on Phil Jones.

 

[zepenedo]

You said he was a fully developed leader. He's fucking garbage and not a leader. He's barely an upgrade on Phil Jones.

I mean, he's United's captain after the first season. That might mean something about his leadership ablities, which is what I was talking about, not his technical atributes or his tactical understanding of the game. Of course he's not on the same level as Ramos, VVD or Bonucci, but neither is United at the same level as Real Madrid, Liverpool or even Juventus.

 

[Barcon]

I mean, he's United's captain after the first season. That might mean something about his leadership ablities, which is what I was talking about, not his technical atributes or his tactical understanding of the game. Of course he's not on the same level as Ramos, VVD or Bonucci, but neither is United at the same level as Real Madrid, Liverpool or even Juventus.

Have you seen him play? He's often at fault for any goals that they concede and then he points his finger at his team mates. He couldn't lead a dog in from a snowstorm with a pork chop.

 

[Marvin]

Have you seen him play? He's often at fault for any goals that they concede and then he points his finger at his team mates. He couldn't lead a dog in from a snowstorm with a pork chop.

That's really not true

 

[RayCTID]

I mean, he's United's captain after the first season. That might mean something about his leadership ablities, which is what I was talking about, not his technical atributes or his tactical understanding of the game. Of course he's not on the same level as Ramos, VVD or Bonucci, but neither is United at the same level as Real Madrid, Liverpool or even Juventus.

They only scraped qualifying for the Champions League, crashed in the semi final of the Europa League and have ended the season trophyless. On top of that he is currently the world record fee for a defender. Some leader.

 

[zepenedo]

Have you seen him play? He's often at fault for any goals that they concede and then he points his finger at his team mates. He couldn't lead a dog in from a snowstorm with a pork chop.

I respect your opinion, I really do. I know Maguire is far from being a consensual player. I honestly think he could have been important for us this season. Was he overpriced? Of course he was, every english player is. That's why a lot of people want Stones out (imagine if instead of paying 55M we'd only paid the 35M he was worth). Walker was overpriced as well, but worth every penny.

 

[Barcon]

That's really not true

The only part that might not be true is the bit about the pork chop, and that was a joke.

 

[zepenedo]

They only scraped qualifying for the Champions League, crashed in the semi final of the Europa League and have ended the season trophyless. On top of that he is currently the world record fee for a defender. Some leader.

You seem to think United had a bad season. I think they had a very decent season given that they have no coach and they played with Brandon Williams, Lindelof and McTominay (most of the season). Europa League semi-finals and 4th place is a miracle with their starting eleven.