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[THEBLUEDONKEY]

Mate we won the CL in 2005 with a terrible team and the FA Cup a year later. We couldnt of spent more than 15M in the previous windows to achieve that.

Just saying like.
All the best to you.[/quote]

the starting 11 that won that final minus S,G and J,C cost 44 mil roughly .. from signing the first of that 11 Rise 08/06/2001 liverpool spent roughly 74 mil on additional players thats roughly 118 mil in total up to 30/08/2005 .. between 07/01/2004 - 30/08/2005 you spent roughly 66 mil of the 118 .. slightly out with your recollections there bud .. don't mean to have a go and i appreciate that does not take into account who left but just sick to fk of people claiming they have never spent owt and acting like we are the first .. no offence like i say as you seem sound

 

[shelovesyouyehyehyeh]

Mate we won the CL in 2005 with a terrible team and the FA Cup a year later. We couldnt of spent more than 15M in the previous windows to achieve that.

Just saying like.
All the best to you.

the starting 11 that won that final minus sg and jc cost 44 mil roughly .. between the time of signing the first of that 11 rise 08/06/2001 liverpool spent roughly 74 mil on additional players thats roughly 118 mil .. so between 07/01/2004 - 30/08/2005 you spent again roughly 66 mil .. slightly out with your recollections there bud .. don't mean to have a go and i appreciate that does not take into account who left but just sick to fk of people claiming they have never spent owt and acting like we are the first .. no offence like i say as you seem sound[/quote]

Thats sound mate but you do have to consider the money that we recieved after selling players as well. I dont know the figures exactly but the point still stands mate, you dont have to use excessive spending to win trophies.
You guys have almost caught up with LFC's entire spend since the beginning of the PL. That has been done in the last 2 seasons and yet you have won nothing. Thats not a dig mate but again supports my point.
Our biggest net transfer spend in any one window has to be about 20M tops since the PL league began.

 

[THEBLUEDONKEY]

Mate we won the CL in 2005 with a terrible team and the FA Cup a year later. We couldnt of spent more than 15M in the previous windows to achieve that.

Just saying like.
All the best to you.

the starting 11 that won that final minus sg and jc cost 44 mil roughly .. between the time of signing the first of that 11 rise 08/06/2001 liverpool spent roughly 74 mil on additional players thats roughly 118 mil .. so between 07/01/2004 - 30/08/2005 you spent again roughly 66 mil .. slightly out with your recollections there bud .. don't mean to have a go and i appreciate that does not take into account who left but just sick to fk of people claiming they have never spent owt and acting like we are the first .. no offence like i say as you seem sound[/quote

Thats sound mate but you do have to consider the money that we recieved after selling players as well. I dont know the figures exactly but the point still stands mate, you dont have to use excessive spending to win trophies.
You guys have almost caught up with LFC's entire spend since the beginning of the PL. That has been done in the last 2 seasons and yet you have won nothing. Thats not a dig mate but again supports my point.
Our biggest net transfer spend in any one window has to be about 20M tops since the PL league began.

i do follow what your saying but you surely can not deny that liverpool have benefited from having large funds available to them in the past ? i agree we have spent large last 2 seasons but the money last season was the ammount we needed to spend just to become competitive with the top 4/5 .. and the cost of our starting 11 was not so much different to the cost of chelsea, rags and yourselves .. this season we have had to strengthen our weak areas as we are entitled, trouble is city come calling and prices rise .. and to be honest if Aquilani was worth 20 mil to you surely silva is worth 25 to us ? Torres 25 or so to you Tevez 25 or so to us you see were im going ? .. i will ask you honestly do you think we deserve the criticism we have had of late ? interested in your honest opinion mate

 

[moomba]

You guys have almost caught up with LFC's entire spend since the beginning of the PL. That has been done in the last 2 seasons and yet you have won nothing. Thats not a dig mate but again supports my point.

Not really, you have to consider a number of things that you seem to have ignored.

Value of players now vs value of players at the start of the premier league is off the planet and makes any comparison meaningless. If we wrestricted our spending to the two years at the start of the premier league and used that to get into the champions league cash cow, half the clubs today would have outspent us.

Relative starting positions, Liverpool have spent to go from the top half of the table to the odd cup win. City have come from the third division and we had very few in the squad that would have interested a side like Liverpool. So we need to spent to get to that level before looking beyond that.

Wages - Liverpool have been one of the biggest spenders on wages over the course of the premier league. And that has had it's benefits, it's enabled you to consistently qualify for the champions league which not only helps you financially but it gives you a huge helping hand attracting the best talent.

I do believe that we could not make another signing for two years and we will see some success from the squad that has been put together. It hasn't happened yet, but we've come close and I think it would be wrong to say that the spending we've done so far has been worthless just because we have'nt got a pot out of it yet.

 

[the talisman]

Mate we won the CL in 2005 with a terrible team and the FA Cup a year later. We couldnt of spent more than 15M in the previous windows to achieve that.

Just saying like.
All the best to you.

the starting 11 that won that final minus sg and jc cost 44 mil roughly .. between the time of signing the first of that 11 rise 08/06/2001 liverpool spent roughly 74 mil on additional players thats roughly 118 mil .. so between 07/01/2004 - 30/08/2005 you spent again roughly 66 mil .. slightly out with your recollections there bud .. don't mean to have a go and i appreciate that does not take into account who left but just sick to fk of people claiming they have never spent owt and acting like we are the first .. no offence like i say as you seem sound

Thats sound mate but you do have to consider the money that we recieved after selling players as well. I dont know the figures exactly but the point still stands mate, you dont have to use excessive spending to win trophies.
You guys have almost caught up with LFC's entire spend since the beginning of the PL. That has been done in the last 2 seasons and yet you have won nothing. Thats not a dig mate but again supports my point.
Our biggest net transfer spend in any one window has to be about 20M tops since the PL league began.[/quote]

Can't really compare our spending to yours, completely different starting points. It's also been speeded up with these new rules coming in.

Saying "yet you've won nothing" is a bit harsh, we've gone from mid-table also rans to pushing the top 4 in 2 years. If we keep up that rate of improvement I'll be happy.

Our latest signings are very young, I'm looking forward to the next few seasons, and I don't think you'll see similar spending again from us.

 

[bluemonkey71]

This "Chinese sovereign wealth fund"...

So the consortium will use money from the Chinese government to buy out the scousers or will they use their fund as collateral and borrow against it?

If thats the case they'll be even more in debt...

Anyone care to explain?

 

[kippax neil]

Interesting reading these opinions. I was just about to make the valid point (which moomba has just done) that players cost a lot more now than they did even 4/5 years ago. It would be interesting to see how many players have come through the door...correct me if i'm wrong..70-odd just in Benitez's time.

Liverpool say we have spent all this money and won nothing. We've only had new owners for 2 years. What have we been expected to win? we've been building on a mid-table squad...we've not even been in a position to challenge. Liverpool have been a top 4 side for many years and have won nothing for the last four.

We've got to make sure that we don't fall into the same trap as Liverpool where they have spent millions for a lot longer but have only 2/3 class players to show for it.

 

[alera]

Thing is the actual backers have not been confirmed. There are a number of funds in the region the biggest being Chinas and Singapore.

But its s very very unlikely to be the big funds. The investments they normally make - infrastructure etc are solid long term prospects. Property. Things like the national lottery.

Buying a football club is a big gamble no one has ever really made serious money from it, massively speculative. Those funds are not in it for small speculative profit. They are in it to store the nations wealth in stable, sensible solid assets - the exact opposite to a football club.

The people that bought city dont seem to care about making money but there is more in the area and the overall pacakge that makes it more likely than Liverpool (Already have the stadium - 200 acres to redevelope etc)

I would be very surprised if its one the bigger funds it just doesnt fit their profile.

The way its being conducted suggests its more along the lines of the way a smaller hedge fund or venture capatalists work. Trying to buy a distressed asset on the cheap (in a very aggresive manner in this case) stabalise the situation and then sell in the short to medium term for a big profit. The way its being conducted there is nothing to suggest there will be massive amounts of money for transfers and for the stadium redevelopement and even if there is its very unlikley to be on the same terms as Chelsea and city - gratis free no debt involved. It would more along the debt profile of utd but spread over a much longer period.

We will see, part of me even as a city fan wants to see those yanks get fucked on this as there is no doubt they haver run Liverpool into the ground, would be a bit annoying to see them making a big profit for taking the piss so much.

Also the amount it will wind up the rags will be epic - they would be the only major UK club in the top 6 in a fucked up financial siutation.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Changing the subject slightly, does anyone think that Liverpool being Chinese-owned would have an effect on the amount of rag shirts sold in Asia?

Just a thought :-)

Liverpool are already absolutely humungous in Asia. I lived in Thailand between 2001 and 2006 and they were far better supported than the rags. Not much money to be made there by either club though.

 

[Anonymous]

Just had a vision of an enraged DSOB,roylefamily and co typing a tirade of toffee bitterness on RAWK...."we're the people's club...we'll still finish above you..we don't need a new stadium,anyway...blah blah blah.."

All these offers to buy LFC....and yet not one for the "grand old team."

Must be doing their heads in that no-one seems even slightly arsed about all that "istree."

LOL.