Dipper Takeover? [Merged]

Chick Counterfly said:
projectriver said:
And don't yet write off a sale of Torres. £50-70m is a huge part of the value of this club and if, as I expect, no deal is happening this summer, the risk of holding on to a player with a dubious injury record and high wages may well be too high. As much as I think RBS are relatively relaxed at the moment, they are bound to feel much better if the borrowings could be reduced to less that £180m.

There are no buyers for Torres at that price... well, probably not. For one thing the transfer market has contracted this summer. David Villa's price dropped by a third in 12 months despite proving himself better than ever. And there is little urgency on the part of the two or three clubs in a position to buy Torres. Certainly not until he can prove he has overcome the fitness problems, which, over the last 12 months, have left him resembling a shadow of his former self.

70m, twice the fee achieved this summer for his equally talented colleague... for someone who broke down within seconds on his last appearance? despite Fernando being a couple of years younger than David, I think it's absolutely impossible.

Something like 40m + 30m in appearance money might be achievable. but how would RBS mark that 30m as theirs?

Perhaps H&G would take 40m to pay off RBS and keep things going. Perhaps not.

The big problem is that without him, the chances of regaining the Champions League Revenues are slim indeed. so in addition to the loss of prestige and status he bestows on the club, and the loss of ticket sales, merchandising revenues, the collapse in moral amongst the fans... remove all prospect of regaining those C/L revenues, now see how people value the club. presumably this scenario is not in H&G's interest. surely it's not in the interest of anyone with 250m secured against the club.

In any case, if the sale possibly represents the bulk of whatever cash you might see from your debtor this year..... surely you'd prefer them to wait and get full value. Just admitting that you need to sell him weakens the position. Likewise, he couldn't be allowed to force the issue and hand in a transfer request.

The market has contracted for all but one club of course but David Villa can hardly be considered the barometer when we are about to pay £25m for James Milner. City would pay £50m + for Torres and Chelsea would probably stretch to it. Sure they are the only 2 buyers in the world but such a fee really isn't that wild - certainly pre-World Cup people wouldn't have blinked.

If, and its a huge if, his injuries are under control the guy is the most complete striker in the world. Why wouldn't we pay £50m+ for him?

In terms of weakening the team, we are beyond that. Of course there is a balancing act with the owners and RBS keeping the squad strong as possible but a £50m+ striker is a luxury too far. I would bet that in RBS' models Champions League is the optimistic upside as opposed to the likely base case. Any cautious banker will see that his base assumption has to be that City and or Spurs make CL qualification tough. If RBS are resigned to the team even with Torres probably not making CL in 2011, then they would be very keen to sell especially when there is cash now from City but may well not be in 6 or 12 months. BTW merchandising is a massive red herring as always. Even if you sold 500k Torres shirts (they don't) per annum the net profits would be immaterial in the scheme of things. As for perception of Liverpool fans, RBS need to protect their money first rather the emotions of 200k Scousers.

As for how RBS get the money. If a sale is not happening, refinancing talks loom large and RBS' hand strengthens unless H&G can refinance elsewhere (unlikely). At that point, RBS could well agree to roll the debt for another 6 months or maybe to January but on the condition that the position is reduced to, say £180m. The only way I can H&G/the club being able to do this is by selling Torres (I agree there are no substantial buyers for Gerrard, although I think Arsenal would find £20m for Reina). This changes their risk profile and could make them more comfortable. Remember the bank will also need comfort on where the funding for this year is coming from. Liverpool will need at least £30m of additional finance just to pay the bills.

Much depends on their view of the realistic value of the business and therefore their perception of how at risk they are. This, and how the team performs this season, are the only variables - revenues and costs for the next 12 months are very predictable given the nature of football revenues and costs.
 
Wow this proposed takeover of Liverpool is turning into a farce, just been reading the takeover thread on Rawk and conspiracy theories flying around. Looks like nobody has a clue what's actually happening... who the backers are... if they have the funds absolute fcuking madness!

If you get chance take a look at the last couple of pages.
 
The Fixer said:
Wow this proposed takeover of Liverpool is turning into a farce, just been reading the takeover thread on Rawk and conspiracy theories flying around. Looks like nobody has a clue what's actually happening... who the backers are... if they have the funds absolute fcuking madness!

If you get chance take a look at the last couple of pages.

I feel a little sorry for them. The quality of the media's analysis is so poor that the fans are left in a complete state of confusion. And the quality of the insight on RAWK isn't that much better.
 
The Fixer said:
Wow this proposed takeover of Liverpool is turning into a farce, just been reading the takeover thread on Rawk and conspiracy theories flying around. Looks like nobody has a clue what's actually happening... who the backers are... if they have the funds absolute fcuking madness!

If you get chance take a look at the last couple of pages.


Linky?
 
bluemonkey71 said:
The Fixer said:
Wow this proposed takeover of Liverpool is turning into a farce, just been reading the takeover thread on Rawk and conspiracy theories flying around. Looks like nobody has a clue what's actually happening... who the backers are... if they have the funds absolute fcuking madness!

If you get chance take a look at the last couple of pages.


Linky?

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=261478.3680" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/ind ... 61478.3680</a>
 
projectriver said:
The Fixer said:
Wow this proposed takeover of Liverpool is turning into a farce, just been reading the takeover thread on Rawk and conspiracy theories flying around. Looks like nobody has a clue what's actually happening... who the backers are... if they have the funds absolute fcuking madness!

If you get chance take a look at the last couple of pages.

I feel a little sorry for them. The quality of the media's analysis is so poor that the fans are left in a complete state of confusion. And the quality of the insight on RAWK isn't that much better.

NEVER feel sorry for those tw*ts
 

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