Discontent that will end the Tory Govt is coming

franksinatra said:
And Rolls Royce just agreed a 17.6% payrise (10% plus one off payment).
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And a number of bus companies have agreed rises in the teens percents for drivers to avert strikes - which disappointed all those Army cooks and guys who work on the landing decks of aircraft carriers waving ping pong bats who were all looking forward to their first go at driving a double decker in their lives
 
bluethrunthru said:
Its also worth noting that in a widely reported poll 1 in 10 of 18 - 24 year olds thats a quarter of a million youngsters say they are never going to look for work. They will live at home - do the odd side hustle to get a bit of spending money and thats it.

Why would they do that you ask?

Because they know that basically they are in a society where education and work doesn't pay for every one. You get a degree and end up flipping burgers - you get a "good" job like a nurse or a social worker - they see strikes and how unrewarding that work is. They will never be able to own their own home - its hardly likely they will be able to rent and enjoy any sort of social life - they don't want to clean stations or streets so they are just opting out.
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The young have given up on capitalism, it's the reason why the Tories have done everything they can to make it as difficult as possible for them to vote.

Though Labour can't count on them either, at least not in the numbers one would expect.

Corbyn, for better or worse, sparked their imagination but Starmer doesn't. He'll get more of their support than Sunak, assuming Sunak takes the Tories into the next election, but many won't bother to turn out for a "things can only get better MK2" when they know they probably won't.

I suppose you'd call them Tory enablers.
 
bluethrunthru said:
And a number of bus companies have agreed rises in the teens percents for drivers to avert strikes - which disappointed all those Army cooks and guys who work on the landing decks of aircraft carriers waving ping pong bats who were all looking forward to their first go at driving a double decker in their lives
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We can't be havin...

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bluethrunthru said:
Its also worth noting that in a widely reported poll 1 in 10 of 18 - 24 year olds thats a quarter of a million youngsters say they are never going to look for work. They will live at home - do the odd side hustle to get a bit of spending money and thats it.

Why would they do that you ask?

Because they know that basically they are in a society where education and work doesn't pay for every one. You get a degree and end up flipping burgers - you get a "good" job like a nurse or a social worker - they see strikes and how unrewarding that work is. They will never be able to own their own home - its hardly likely they will be able to rent and enjoy any sort of social life - they don't want to clean stations or streets so they are just opting out.
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Bet the parents are over the moon:-)
 
BringBackSwales said:
The point about 20 years ago was the deficit in public sector pension schemes, which is resl but not included in any figures for national debt. It was two trillion pounds, it is now closer to three trillion. It’s getting bigger and it has to be paid for. Nobody can afford to pay for that, even the cunting rich
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How much of the deficit was due to the companies taking a pension holiday when returns were good and diverting the money to shareholders?

(Has the railways' pension fund still got all the art works they bought?)
 
Vic said:
How much of the deficit was due to the companies taking a pension holiday when returns were good and diverting the money to shareholders?

(Has the railways' pension fund still got all the art works they bought?)
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Fucking he’ll mate I don’t know every detail of every company. But the public sector pension deficit has nothing to do with shareholders, that’s the private sector, and yeah loads of them did horrible shit to private sector pension schemes like unwarranted employer contribution holidays etc
 
Vic said:
And they still talk about Brown's raid on pensions....

www.thisismoney.co.uk

82,000 BT Pension Scheme members could be £34k worse-off

The retail prices index will be altered in February 2030, saving the Government £2billion a year in interest payments on inflation-linked bonds.
www.thisismoney.co.uk www.thisismoney.co.uk
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Is that the Tories stealing pensions from the workers? Anybody would think this was an assault on those who have worked hard for many years, forcing them to keep in work rather than retiring.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Is that the Tories stealing pensions from the workers? Anybody would think this was an assault on those who have worked hard for many years, forcing them to keep in work rather than retiring.
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With regards to pensions, 23 years ago i took a significant drop in wages to leave the private sector for a career in the public sector.
The three selling points were the final salary pension, career development opportunities and pay progression.
My wage is now £5,000 a year worse than it was 12 years ago, promotion opportunities are all advertised externally and a LOT of my final salary pension is gone.
I am lucky though, I have almost bought my house (18 months of mortgage left), and a loan paid off in 5 months time.
I COULD use the extra poundsin my pocket to start living again rather than just existing, but instead I will be saving the money for three or four years and buying a place in Bulgaria to retire to as my pension there will allow me to live and not merely exist.
Thus money that WOULD have been recycled in the local economy will be boosting the economy of Bulgaria.
 
SJT said:
Are there any private sector companies striking?...no, they can’t hold a gun at the private sectors collective head!
Are we all in this ‘belt tightening together? Are we fuck!
where does the money come from to pay an extra 17-20%?

Mass delusion on a grand scale.
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Er the railways!
 
BringBackSwales said:
The point about 20 years ago was the deficit in public sector pension schemes, which is resl but not included in any figures for national debt. It was two trillion pounds, it is now closer to three trillion. It’s getting bigger and it has to be paid for. Nobody can afford to pay for that, even the cunting rich
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Public sector pensions were changed years ago to average rather than final salary, stupidly these tories did a lot of it illegally and as result the government owe £20 billion back in pensions plus they are now paying out compensation, they thought they could steam roll us but thanks to the FBU and the judges union we won. The government are now saying that pension members should be responsible for the deficit when clearly they are not, they are cunts and there are people who have been retired years who are owed upto £50/60 k in backs payments next October.
 
law74 said:
With regards to pensions, 23 years ago i took a significant drop in wages to leave the private sector for a career in the public sector.
The three selling points were the final salary pension, career development opportunities and pay progression.
My wage is now £5,000 a year worse than it was 12 years ago, promotion opportunities are all advertised externally and a LOT of my final salary pension is gone.
I am lucky though, I have almost bought my house (18 months of mortgage left), and a loan paid off in 5 months time.
I COULD use the extra poundsin my pocket to start living again rather than just existing, but instead I will be saving the money for three or four years and buying a place in Bulgaria to retire to as my pension there will allow me to live and not merely exist.
Thus money that WOULD have been recycled in the local economy will be boosting the economy of Bulgaria.
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Is the reason your pension hasn’t grown because of lack of progression, ie. higher wage, and because the government changed the pension system?
 
Blue Maverick said:
Public sector pensions were changed years ago to average rather than final salary, stupidly these tories did a lot of it illegally and as result the government owe £20 billion back in pensions plus they are now paying out compensation, they thought they could steam roll us but thanks to the FBU and the judges union we won. The government are now saying that pension members should be responsible for the deficit when clearly they are not, they are cunts and there are people who have been retired years who are owed upto £50/60 k in backs payments next October.
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Thanks for the update pal
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Is the reason your pension hasn’t grown because of lack of progression, ie. higher wage, and because the government changed the pension system?
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Combination of the government's policy to make workers pay for the bankers recklessness leading up to the 2008 bailout reducing my wages and the change from final salary (deferred pay) pension to career average and then the increase of pensionable age from 65 to 67 for my age group, 68 for those younger.
A rough estimate I have calculated that I will be approx £350 a month worse off in retirement than I would have expected under the terms and condition of employment that I agreed to when taking the job.
Currently the cost of living in Bulgaria is roughly half of here, so if this remains the same or similar, I could LIVE there or exist here.
 
So - whilst we have kids dying from Strep A as parents struggle to get the antibiotics that they reassured everyone would be available no trouble we now have the power cuts that were not going to happen - if they do combined with everything else I expect a GE by Easter because they will have no record to defend

 
bluethrunthru said:
So - whilst we have kids dying from Strep A as parents struggle to get the antibiotics that they reassured everyone would be available no trouble we now have the power cuts that were not going to happen - if they do combined with everything else I expect a GE by Easter because they will have no record to defend

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Those headlines are remarkable even for the Mail. Power cuts will happen and will be the Met Office’s fault, and Meghan Markle killed the Queen.

Actually on second thoughts, it’s fairly standard for the Mail. I’m only surprised they’ve not blamed Labour for some obscure imaginary Met Office funding decision from 20 years ago, and also blamed Meghan for killing Princess Di.
 
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