Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Shipping three goals to one of the best club sides in the world is no disgrace.
Shipping three goals to a workmanlike Villa side bereft of their best striker was.
I just hope we don't see the Sven factor of winning derbies but precious little else cloud folks judgements here, because I can't see our owners stomaching another barren season persomally.
And given their investment in the club to date it's hard to blame them.

 

[CitizenTID]

We need to pass and move QUICKLY like Bayern did last night, they ran circles around us.

We are a bit faster getting out of our own box this year but we still don't pass quick enough in my opinion.

...and this is why I don't think we have what it takes to win the CL at current. There was a massive gulf last night between the two sides.

 

[bluemc1]

I really don't think he knows what he's doing.
He doesn't seem to know which is his best starting eleven for any given game, his tactics are hard to comprehend, his substitutions often invoke mass head scratching, he has spent a lot of money on a team that simply isn't gelling, our defence leaks like a fucking colander, and in my opinion we have gone backwards from last season.
I would gladly give a manager with a coherent plan all the time in the world to get things right, but frankly I don't see any signs that he has one, and that is worrying.

Totally understandable - although, in his defence I would say - perhaps what appears to be indecision and lack of coherence - is down to fact he is still assessing the players. Not just in terms of their technical abilities but also their mental capacities and decision making during matches.

Easy to feel the way you have described but I'd give him until the end of November until I can or cannot say I have confidence in him getting it right.

the post off NJ is exactly how i feel, we have looked so open all season and 4 I'm midfield was getting overrun by fuxkin Hull at times, i was crying out for 4-5-1 v United as i was terrified about the same happening but ok we won, i still wanted it last night and when i saw the team and line up my head dropped, The ONE and only time 4-4-2 has looked ok this year was v United and that was with the 2 up top Negredo and Aqureo so what does he do plays fxxkin Dzeko, im not blaming Dzeko its just the decision to do that baffles me, also its like ok ive tried 4-4-2 but we haven't kicked the ball so lets make a bleeding change, 40,000 people last night were screaming for him to do so but the 1 man in charge cant see it, this along with the fact Pellegrini said he watched every City game last year and has still played Garcia at CH is why i am also worried

 

[TGR]

There are supporters on here who believed that Pellegrini was not a suitable appointment for City from the moment he was linked with the job. There are those who had serious doubts but wished him all the best and hoped that success would follow; this is probably the majority, to which I belong, and I have not yet given up hope by any means for this season, but the doubts are growing. Then there are those who wanted Mancini out at all costs, didn't really want Pellegrini, about which they knew very little until Guillem Balague wrote about him, but would have had the devil himself to see the back of Mancini. Mancini has gone - "get over it" they say . Well, I am over it, but the fact that Mancini was sacked doesn't mean that Pellegrini is inevitably a good appointment. That his supporters are now reduced to excusing him rather than endorsing him is an obvious sign that things are not going well; one point from nine in away games when we would have expected all nine and tolerated seven is little better (if at all) than disgraceful, and his performance in last night's match, against a side of true quality, was so inept, so feeble in all those things we were told were his great qualities, that it was truly frightening. His interview after the match really did suggest someone who was out of their depth. So much stress was laid on his ability to cope in Europe that those who jump to his defence by arguing that we were playing the best team in Europe miss the point; most of us on here accepted that it was a game we may lose, but we never expected a humiliation. Joe had a bad game, but the other lads were so abysmal because they were trying to play in a formation which was totally unfit for purpose, and with which they had to persevere for 90 minutes. I think it is too early to consider sacking Pellegrini after 3 months - but, come on lads, did you really believe that we would have come to this by the beginning of October? Surely, you cannot have believed that "the Pellegrini era" would have begun with such a shambles? Will one of those who welcomed his appointment please tell us, frankly and honestly, what you have made of him so far?

Some excellent points made BsHR. However, I wouldn't hold your breath whilst waiting for a reply.

 

[Anonymous]

I do think that we might see some culling of players and January could be and interesting window. I still hold to the belief that Mansour should show his middle digit to Prattini and spend whatever it takes but I'll defend his right to do whatever he chooses with his dosh i.e. spend or save.

Rightly or wrongly, I expect the squad to get completely overhauled next summer. Wouldn't surprise me if after the cull the only men from Mancini's title winning team still around are Kompany, Yaya, Silva, and Aguero.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

The spanish mafia are quiet in all this.

I would love to know what they are thinking.

They will be held accountable as well should this all go tits up!

But this seems to be want you want, mate?

Despite the standard lip-service, we're all blues etc, wanting the best for the team...

The majority of your comments appear to carry a stench of still wanting to be proved right, and your bitterness Mancini was sacked.

There is certainly a lack of respect with how you preface Soriano and Begiristain.

Why would you expect a public utterance from a technical director and a bean counter?

The buck always stops with the manager, as it rightly did for Mancini, and will be for everyone who follows him, like him or not.

 

[mancity1]

Manuel has clearly not seen enough of Dzeko to realise Negredo should be starting in the majority of games now, certainly last night.

Don't think the result would have been much different last night if Mancini had held the reigns.

But I must admit to being a little concerned that Pellegrini would not rectify the glaring mis-matches as the game played out. Mancini was dogmatic, but he was quick to change things if needs be.

I watched Bayern against Arsenal at the Emirates last season and it was pretty much the same, completely schooled 'em.

What he needs to do now is keep an unchanged team for a few weeks, barring injury, and allow his ideas to be implemented.

It's a worrying state of play when I feel we are one good win or one bad win away from whatever direction the season will go.

Under Mancini I think we would have been played off the park with us keeping the defensive side of our game a bit more structured but when you look purely on the goals they were individual and team errors and when the keeper stops the shots Joe let in the others around him grow in confidence.

I am concerned about VK though , he ran alot more than he usually did last night and he didn't need to , I guess it was his way of joining in the ring a ring a rosy set up of Bayern's.

That's not leadership in fact its the opposite of leadership.

Despite their credentials and experience players look to leaders for inspiration and it can come in many forms.

VK hasn't shown it in the past two games at all.

We could rebound from setbacks in games gone by , we haven't this season at all and haven't looked like it.

Imagine what pressure will fall on VK and some of the other players if we fall behind against Everton.

We will be at our worst moments since the early days of the Hughes era I would suggest only with a side this time who have experienced success at the club.

Its times like these when true leadership is shown and whether you leaders have it or not.

 

[penalty spot]

The system we play is ok . We need to press teams better and in packs like Guardiolas team last night. The new players are doing this well and without fouling.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Manuel has clearly not seen enough of Dzeko to realise Negredo should be starting in the majority of games now, certainly last night.

Don't think the result would have been much different last night if Mancini had held the reigns.

But I must admit to being a little concerned that Pellegrini would not rectify the glaring mis-matches as the game played out. Mancini was dogmatic, but he was quick to change things if needs be.

I watched Bayern against Arsenal at the Emirates last season and it was pretty much the same, completely schooled 'em.

What he needs to do now is keep an unchanged team for a few weeks, barring injury, and allow his ideas to be implemented.

It's a worrying state of play when I feel we are one good win or one bad win away from whatever direction the season will go.

Under Mancini I think we would have been played off the park with us keeping the defensive side of our game a bit more structured but when you look purely on the goals they were individual and team errors and when the keeper stops the shots Joe let in the others around him grow in confidence.

I am concerned about VK though , he ran alot more than he usually did last night and he didn't need to , I guess it was his way of joining in the ring a ring a rosy set up of Bayern's.

That's not leadership in fact its the opposite of leadership.

Despite their credentials and experience players look to leaders for inspiration and it can come in many forms.

VK hasn't shown it in the past two games at all.

We could rebound from setbacks in games gone by , we haven't this season at all and haven't looked like it.

Imagine what pressure will fall on VK and some of the other players if we fall behind against Everton.

We will be at our worst moments since the early days of the Hughes era I would suggest only with a side this time who have experienced success at the club.

Its times like these when true leadership is shown and whether you leaders have it or not.

Good post, we do lack a backbone in times of crisis on the field. We have yet to learn the art of hanging tough, or even damage limitation.

It's another tactical discussion, but Robben's comments tell you all you need to do to beat this City team.

Defend right from the front UP TO THE GOALKEEPER. Same with Dortmund last year, MAKE US kick the ball long from the goalkeeper.

Time and again, it happened last night. It allows well disciplined teams, whatever level (See where I am going, Sunderland, Everton etc) to jam in the full backs.

How many times did Neuer kick out of his hands last night?

 

[CitizenTID]

Manuel has clearly not seen enough of Dzeko to realise Negredo should be starting in the majority of games now, certainly last night.

Don't think the result would have been much different last night if Mancini had held the reigns.

But I must admit to being a little concerned that Pellegrini would not rectify the glaring mis-matches as the game played out. Mancini was dogmatic, but he was quick to change things if needs be.

I watched Bayern against Arsenal at the Emirates last season and it was pretty much the same, completely schooled 'em.

What he needs to do now is keep an unchanged team for a few weeks, barring injury, and allow his ideas to be implemented.

It's a worrying state of play when I feel we are one good win or one bad win away from whatever direction the season will go.

Under Mancini I think we would have been played off the park with us keeping the defensive side of our game a bit more structured but when you look purely on the goals they were individual and team errors and when the keeper stops the shots Joe let in the others around him grow in confidence.

I am concerned about VK though , he ran alot more than he usually did last night and he didn't need to , I guess it was his way of joining in the ring a ring a rosy set up of Bayern's.

That's not leadership in fact its the opposite of leadership.

Despite their credentials and experience players look to leaders for inspiration and it can come in many forms.

VK hasn't shown it in the past two games at all.

We could rebound from setbacks in games gone by , we haven't this season at all and haven't looked like it.

Imagine what pressure will fall on VK and some of the other players if we fall behind against Everton.

We will be at our worst moments since the early days of the Hughes era I would suggest only with a side this time who have experienced success at the club.

Its times like these when true leadership is shown and whether you leaders have it or not.

VK has been phenomenal since he came back. He made one mistake against Villa not anticipating the ball drop. VK would get in any team, including Bayerns. I feel he is a class above all our players, mostly down to his mental attitude, he has a true winner's mentality. There's not much you can do when your players are being dazzled by the opposition and run rings round.

I think Nastasic's form has dropped considerably in the last few games though, he has had some mares. Played bad against Villa and last night backed off way too much (lead to Robben's goal). You can't back off players like that as they will just take the piss. How many times do you see Kompany backing off players? Not often and not for long!