Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

[bluemcr]

1-The transitional period debate doesn't cut it any more..The performance against united proved that.
2-The freak result debate doesn't cut it anymore. Freak results are losing 1-0 to a minnow in the cup or Sunderland away last year when we absolutely battered them and created was it over 20 chances? Villa we played all pretty football but had the cutting edge of a plastic knife.
3-The let's give him time debate is the divisive issue for me. Yes let's give him time but how long is a piece of string.Do we say,ok whatever happens this season we stick with him? That makes the DOF's position in all this open to debate. Before everyone jumps down my throat I thought the reason we got rid of Mancini was because of our poor european record and his abrasive non holistic approach?

My opinion-He has 5 games from now to turn it around and prove me as a doubter wrong.

If it all goes belly up, I will chip in with my tupence for a party and give you your deserved gold star. That's what you want.
If he is a success then all you have to do is hide behind your computer
and apoligise. I'm sorry but I will take the optimistic approach.

 

[Jimfv1]

Players have to adapt and believe in the system and only then will we really see what Pellegrini's City is about. There have been flashes and promising signs, but the inconsistency is absolutely maddening and almost a curse on this club... inconsistency has been hurting us since Boxing Day 2011. Moyes at United isn't all that different, although whether he has the personnel to change things remains to be seen... remember his Everton, getting the better of us constantly and playing with great intensity... yet we slaughtered his United team despite them having better players than Everton (but none of the intensity and pressing).

Pellegrini tactically defeated Klopp with both teams playing 4-2-3-1 (... not 4-4-2) last season and Malaga should have reached the semis, yet Malaga had half the talent Pellegrini's City did against Bayern or Mancini's City did against Dortmund, both City teams being completely outplayed. But the players were all attuned to a system where it was one for all and all for one, and the hard work + system almost beat a superior set of players who also played in a strong system. Pellegrini's Malaga with Santa Cruz possibly playing would have given Bayern a much better game than we did yesterday. Demichelis and crew defended like gods against Dortmund.

Now, the question is whether he can get these players fully adjusted to his system and giving 100% all the time. You can see some of them like Nasri working really hard and trying but there are still problems... Yaya's work ethic considering the occasion last night was terrible. Starved of the ball but doing little off it with just 1 successful tackle while his much criticised midfield partner made mistakes but still worked hard and made 5 successful tackles. Pellegrini's ideal system needs BOTH central midfielders working their arses off all the time...

Exactly what I see too, Yaya can be a match winner, but he also costs us games with his lackadaisical approach to the game. He's a liability against teams that press and get in your face, as was seen last night, why do you think Pep sold him ? He's a good player but he can be even better if he gets stuck in more.

 

[DTKOAG]

FFS the guy has only been here 3 months.
I'm glad some people on here are not my manager.

 

[Danamy]

1-The transitional period debate doesn't cut it any more..The performance against united proved that.
2-The freak result debate doesn't cut it anymore. Freak results are losing 1-0 to a minnow in the cup or Sunderland away last year when we absolutely battered them and created was it over 20 chances? Villa we played all pretty football but had the cutting edge of a plastic knife.
3-The let's give him time debate is the divisive issue for me. Yes let's give him time but how long is a piece of string.Do we say,ok whatever happens this season we stick with him? That makes the DOF's position in all this open to debate. Before everyone jumps down my throat I thought the reason we got rid of Mancini was because of our poor european record and his abrasive non holistic approach?

My opinion-He has 5 games from now to turn it around and prove me as a doubter wrong.

You are now the chairman of Manchester City Football Club, who are you bringing in to replace him?

You won't like it.

Come on the suspense is killing me of this manager that's currently available to take us forward?

 

[mike channon´s windmill]

I despair at the level of some of the knee jerk comments on here.

Look at how Malaga started under Pellegrini, not great. Give the man time. Last night, he was tactically wrong and we have dropped stupid points at Stoke, Cardiff and Villa, but we are a team in transition from Mancini's very unique way of doing things into another contrast in Pellegrini. This does not just happen over night. Players need time to adapt to a new way of doing things as does the manager as he decides how to get the best out of his players. He has improved Kolarov and Nasri so far, give him time.

Rome was not built in a day. (Although we will probably get to 80% of building Rome and then give up and fill it with B&M bargains and poundlands with the typical city tag)

Whilst this is a fair way to look at it, the fact is we could already be out of the title race and Europe before the players adapt. So that means this season is a write off. I've read plenty on here since his arrival hinting that he's only going to be here two years anyway. So what happens if that's true and he has us playing how he wants for his last season, do we go through it all again the year after for a new man?
I'm far from convinced at the moment, though the manor in which last night played out probably has more to do with my negativity than anything else.

If he is only going to be here for 2 seasons then the whole venture is pointless, we should have kept Roberto on, or gone all out for Mourinho as an 'impact manager'. Im trying to look at the long term, it is frustrating and I think the two main areas that he needs to sort fast are the strike partnership and our midfield shape. Dzeko and Negredo cannot play together as Dzeko plays as the target man and does not give Negredo anything to play with, Negredo and Aguero is an awesome partnership, one which Negredo has come out and said he enjoys. The way we are set up with a 4-4-2 is not defensively sound at all. Yaya is so defensively lazy that it isnt even funny. This puts extra pressure on Fernandinho. Personally I would adapt a 4-5-1 and bring in Milner alongside Fernandinho as CDM's and then let Yaya play further forward, this way he does not have as heavy a defensive responsibility (not that he takes much interest in that part of the game anyway)

Agree with all that but there´s not the slightest sign yet that he will actually take heed
His passivity on the touchline and on the bench is already pissing people off. If things go tits up on Sat (and there´s every chance they will) the fans will look at his reaction and tbh I can already hear the chorus of "you don´t know what you´re doing" ringing in my ears
I hope to fookin God all my misgivings have been totally misplaced - I really do. Don´t want anyone to fail but I´ve had this awful feeling since day one
Comparisons with Malaga btw are really null and void for all the obvious reasons, For me with this squad he had to hit the ground running with an occasional hiccup. Unfortunately the hiccups have not been one-offs or freaks. Too many for coincidence sorry to say

 

[worsleyweb]

You are now the chairman of Manchester City Football Club, who are you bringing in to replace him?

You won't like it.

Come on the suspense is killing me of this manager that's currently available to take us forward?

Benitez would have been good, I think he would leave Napoli for us.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

1-The transitional period debate doesn't cut it any more..The performance against united proved that.
2-The freak result debate doesn't cut it anymore. Freak results are losing 1-0 to a minnow in the cup or Sunderland away last year when we absolutely battered them and created was it over 20 chances? Villa we played all pretty football but had the cutting edge of a plastic knife.
3-The let's give him time debate is the divisive issue for me. Yes let's give him time but how long is a piece of string.Do we say,ok whatever happens this season we stick with him? That makes the DOF's position in all this open to debate. Before everyone jumps down my throat I thought the reason we got rid of Mancini was because of our poor european record and his abrasive non holistic approach?

My opinion-He has 5 games from now to turn it around and prove me as a doubter wrong.

If it all goes belly up, I will chip in with my tupence for a party and give you your deserved gold star. That's what you want.
If he is a success then all you have to do is hide behind your computer
and apoligise. I'm sorry but I will take the optimistic approach.

Seriously mate-If you can't debate properly and accept lots of fans have doubts then why post shit like that. It's an interesting debate tonight,no snideness anywhere then you come along and act like a fucking schoolgirl!!!
For what it's worth.I don't want anyone to fail-How many times.I have genuine genuine concerns-that is all.

 

[TGR]

Whilst this is a fair way to look at it, the fact is we could already be out of the title race and Europe before the players adapt. So that means this season is a write off. I've read plenty on here since his arrival hinting that he's only going to be here two years anyway. So what happens if that's true and he has us playing how he wants for his last season, do we go through it all again the year after for a new man?
I'm far from convinced at the moment, though the manor in which last night played out probably has more to do with my negativity than anything else.

If he is only going to be here for 2 seasons then the whole venture is pointless, we should have kept Roberto on, or gone all out for Mourinho as an 'impact manager'. Im trying to look at the long term, it is frustrating and I think the two main areas that he needs to sort fast are the strike partnership and our midfield shape. Dzeko and Negredo cannot play together as Dzeko plays as the target man and does not give Negredo anything to play with, Negredo and Aguero is an awesome partnership, one which Negredo has come out and said he enjoys. The way we are set up with a 4-4-2 is not defensively sound at all. Yaya is so defensively lazy that it isnt even funny. This puts extra pressure on Fernandinho. Personally I would adapt a 4-5-1 and bring in Milner alongside Fernandinho as CDM's and then let Yaya play further forward, this way he does not have as heavy a defensive responsibility (not that he takes much interest in that part of the game anyway)

Agree with all that but there´s not the slightest sign yet that he will actually take heed
His passivity on the touchline and on the bench is already pissing people off. If things go tits up on Sat (and there´s every chance they will) the fans will look at his reaction and tbh I can already hear the chorus of "you don´t know what you´re doing" ringing in my ears
I hope to fookin God all my misgivings have been totally misplaced - I really do. Don´t want anyone to fail but I´ve had this awful feeling since day one
Comparisons with Malaga btw are really null and void for all the obvious reasons, For me with this squad he had to hit the ground running with an occasional hiccup. Unfortunately the hiccups have not been one-offs or freaks. Too many for coincidence sorry to say

And how long before the players start to turn against him?
Then as history shows he has a real fucking problem!

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

You are now the chairman of Manchester City Football Club, who are you bringing in to replace him?

You won't like it.

Come on the suspense is killing me of this manager that's currently available to take us forward?

Arrrr you didn't say available mate. For the record mate-I don't want him to be sacked I am just posting some very genuine concerns I have.

 

[kp789]

Roberto says 'Hi'.

-- Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:59 pm --



Does rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic pay well?

How can you have no patience after supporting City for the past couple of decades?

More than a couple, my friend.
Patience is one thing, but watching one of the supposed managerial hottest properties in Europe bereft of inspiration and looking baffled on the touchline when a blind man with a stick can what see the problem is something else, and it hardly inspires confidence for the future.
I want to be wrong, I really do.
But right now I have the nagging doubt that I may be horribly right.

Ok, I appreciate what you are saying, I want to put it down to the fact that he does not seem to be very animated on the touchline which we are used to with Mancini. Maybe I am just to optimistic to be a city fan. I just think that he can do a job and once he settles in, will do so. Last night it was obvious that the players felt over awed, we were tactically bang wrong and to their credit, Bayern smashed us. To soften the blow we can take into account the incredible quality in their squad (although we too have this, maybe not to their level but not too far if you look at individuals) and the quality of their manager who is a genius in my opinion. I would rate him as the best in the world at the moment and at such a young age for a manager, can only get better. I can see him and Martinez (slate me for it but I think he is quality) becoming the two best and at such an early stage in their managerial careers.