Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

[BobKowalski]

Probably. But we don't play BM/RM or Barca week in, week out. We play Cardiff. We play Villa. We play Hull. Milner for these sides would be a fucking God. Hell Barry is now a fucking God at Everton and I wouldn't call him world class either.

Part of our 'problem' is our embarrassment of riches in some areas and the lack of quality in others.
Im pretty sure Pellegrini hasn't even figured out his best 11 yet and certainly not the formation to compliment them........

I'm not being funny but as he has only tried one formation how the hell is he ever going to work which formation best suits them?

 

[NQCitizen]

Part of our 'problem' is our embarrassment of riches in some areas and the lack of quality in others.
Im pretty sure Pellegrini hasn't even figured out his best 11 yet and certainly not the formation to compliment them........

Maybe he should try something other than 4-4-2 then

Definitely.

We don't even have the players that suit a true 442.

I feel sad my hard thought essay on 4-4-2 further up this page has had no replies ;)

 

[FantasyIreland]

Probably. But we don't play BM/RM or Barca week in, week out. We play Cardiff. We play Villa. We play Hull. Milner for these sides would be a fucking God. Hell Barry is now a fucking God at Everton and I wouldn't call him world class either.

Part of our 'problem' is our embarrassment of riches in some areas and the lack of quality in others.
Im pretty sure Pellegrini hasn't even figured out his best 11 yet and certainly not the formation to compliment them........

I'm not being funny but as he has only tried one formation how the hell is he ever going to work which formation best suits them?

I agree,its very strange that he is persisting with a certain style when in the main it isn't working,has the penny not dropped? or does he see something us fans don't?

In fairness to him,injuries have probably hampered his options so until they clear up I wont be overly critical.<br /><br />-- 04 Oct 2013 20:24 --<br /><br />

Maybe he should try something other than 4-4-2 then

Definitely.

We don't even have the players that suit a true 442.

I feel sad my hard thought essay on 4-4-2 further up this page has had no replies ;)

I'm a man of few words so when I see many I generally ignore them.....

However,having done you the courtesy,its a good post and one I agree with.

 

[Mr. Aguia]

I actually agree with your appraisal of the situation upto Mancini's departure - although I do think he'd be challenging for the title this season if given the 90m pellegrini was.

How do you figure that given the money he spent in his last season?

The players Pellegrini has brought in have in the main simply filled the gaps that that were created when we sold or released others.

I'm another who believes much rebuilding is still required.

We can't just keep throwing money at the team though, we already have one of the best and richest squads assembled in Europe with many players that the other best teams in the world would love to have in their squads.

I think a lot of our issues are down to mentallity, that's why for me I would want players to play who are willing to fight for the team, not just players who can rest on their wages after they have had a bad game.

If we are to get any more players in I would like us to get more grafters, we have too many luxury players who seem down and out if the team is struggling.

I agree that throwing money at the issues we have hasn't worked but I think the real problem is we lack leadership in the squad. Vinnie and Zab are the only real leaders we have in the the sqaud. That's not enough. I think as a club we have focused too heavily on just signing the most talented players available and not foucus on what we really need to improve the team. The new players we brought in all are talented players but not one of them provides any leadership at all.

 

[waspish]

Instead of throwing money at new players why don't we do what John Lennon sang

"all we are saying is give youth a chance"

 

[cleavers]

I actually don't think there is that much to click into place, take the Villa game, that was some of the best football we have played it was stupid lapses of concentration that did for us.

I can't really explain Wednesday night because I know we are a much better side than that

Call me negative but - 4-4-2 causes so many problems.

The defence is exposed

Yaya can't effectively cover the ground to press

Nastasic is always forced into being the ball distributor by opponents as we lack the structure in the middle to play the ball out any other way. Failing that Yaya drops in and leaves us with an attack starting with only 1 man in the middle.

Navas wide but Nasri tucked in means the whole team is lopsided. The left back comes forward to compensate leaving us vulnerable to attacks down the side which should protect the weaker of our 2 CBs.

There's no link man in the 10 role so the forwards are served mainly by crossing, one of the things we're weakest at. We've arguably 2 of the best 10s in Europe yet nowhere for them to play.

Even when we play well we lose effort into compensating for the problems. Compare this to Bayern who could morph shape into filling wherever we left gaping holes, whose one potential weakness is a high line.

We played great football at Villa but even then not playing to our strengths the opportunities were not lethal ones and we only scored thanks to their weakness at defending set pieces.

Tactically do you guys disagree with this analysis?

Returning to Wednesdays debacle, I think one of our biggest issues was our fullbacks, from the early minutes they were detached from the back four, to far forward, which meant the two CB's had to keep coming wider to cover, and though they were to far forward they did nothing to help the midfield.

Our 2 wide midfielders were disjointed, one coming into the middle and yet contributing little to win the ball, the other hugging the touchline, detached from the game for long periods. The result was Fernandinho and Toure utterly over run in the middle, and no link to the strikers, who for the most part were spectators, and probably could have done more to help in the middle. Bayern were able to pass at will, short or long, with nobody closing down anywhere.

I hope tomorrow our fullbacks are just that fullbakcs, and that they don't let attacking players get the run on them time and time again. Richards has always been suspect positionally for me, and often has used his pace to cover for it. Clichy has been in poor form defensively for some time now, and doesn't add much going forward for me, not in a genuine attacking sense anyway. It was a risk playing them together for the first time this season, and both were skinned time and again.

I think 442 can work, but it depends how its played, against united it was very effective, but because we pushed up on their fullbacks so much, and their midfiled was frankly wank, apart from Rooney.

 

[TGR]

How do you figure that given the money he spent in his last season?

The players Pellegrini has brought in have in the main simply filled the gaps that that were created when we sold or released others.

I'm another who believes much rebuilding is still required.

We can't just keep throwing money at the team though, we already have one of the best and richest squads assembled in Europe with many players that the other best teams in the world would love to have in their squads.

I think a lot of our issues are down to mentallity, that's why for me I would want players to play who are willing to fight for the team, not just players who can rest on their wages after they have had a bad game.

If we are to get any more players in I would like us to get more grafters, we have too many luxury players who seem down and out if the team is struggling.

I agree that throwing money at the issues we have hasn't worked but I think the real problem is we lack leadership in the squad. Vinnie and Zab are the only real leaders we have in the the sqaud. That's not enough. I think as a club we have focused too heavily on just signing the most talented players available and not foucus on what we really need to improve the team. The new players we brought in all are talented players but not one of them provides any leadership at all.

A good post - however Vinnie is not a leader on the field. He is a seriously classy player both on and off the pitch but he is not a leader of men and that's exactly what we need. We have many superbly talented players but no real leader.
John Terry, Tony Adams, Roy Keane et. al are the guys who come out of the trenches when the bullets are flying and that's exactly what we have lacked for a number of years now.

 

[TGR]

Sticking to my guns on this one.
Pellegrini is in over his head and will not take us forward.
Please note that this is my opinion and my opinion only. I hope my opinion is wrong.
However - despite my view - The club simply has to stick with him for now.
I hope he has the balls to drop Hart tomorrow.

Isn't there an argument that a stronger manager would actually play Hart tomorrow? I am pissed off with Hart this season and he is not world class as many on here claim he is. However, the press are all over this one and I think he needs to stay in.

The next 4/5 games are absolutely vital for us now. Arsenal and Spurs have pretty easy games and we have to keep in touching distance. Tomorrow is huge for us because if we don't win there with 3 hard away games to come, the pressure will ramp up.

Win tomorrow and West Ham and everything looks good again.

I still have doubts myself especially on the tactical side of things but will give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Good call on Hart and he will probably stick with him for the reason you state. However, if he doesn't change Nasty for Lescott and Dzeko for Negredo then I will be seriously concerned about MP's judgement. We'll see...

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Instead of throwing money at new players why don't we do what John Lennon sang

"all we are saying is give youth a chance"

I don't remember that one. Was it a 'B' side?

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I actually don't think there is that much to click into place, take the Villa game, that was some of the best football we have played it was stupid lapses of concentration that did for us.

I can't really explain Wednesday night because I know we are a much better side than that

Call me negative but - 4-4-2 causes so many problems.

The defence is exposed

Yaya can't effectively cover the ground to press

Nastasic is always forced into being the ball distributor by opponents as we lack the structure in the middle to play the ball out any other way. Failing that Yaya drops in and leaves us with an attack starting with only 1 man in the middle.

Navas wide but Nasri tucked in means the whole team is lopsided. The left back comes forward to compensate leaving us vulnerable to attacks down the side which should protect the weaker of our 2 CBs.

There's no link man in the 10 role so the forwards are served mainly by crossing, one of the things we're weakest at. We've arguably 2 of the best 10s in Europe yet nowhere for them to play.

Even when we play well we lose effort into compensating for the problems. Compare this to Bayern who could morph shape into filling wherever we left gaping holes, whose one potential weakness is a high line.

We played great football at Villa but even then not playing to our strengths the opportunities were not lethal ones and we only scored thanks to their weakness at defending set pieces.

Tactically do you guys disagree with this analysis?

Returning to Wednesdays debacle, I think one of our biggest issues was our fullbacks, from the early minutes they were detached from the back four, to far forward, which meant the two CB's had to keep coming wider to cover, and though they were to far forward they did nothing to help the midfield.

Our 2 wide midfielders were disjointed, one coming into the middle and yet contributing little to win the ball, the other hugging the touchline, detached from the game for long periods. The result was Fernandinho and Toure utterly over run in the middle, and no link to the strikers, who for the most part were spectators, and probably could have done more to help in the middle. Bayern were able to pass at will, short or long, with nobody closing down anywhere.

I hope tomorrow our fullbacks are just that fullbakcs, and that they don't let attacking players get the run on them time and time again. Richards has always been suspect positionally for me, and often has used his pace to cover for it. Clichy has been in poor form defensively for some time now, and doesn't add much going forward for me, not in a genuine attacking sense anyway. It was a risk playing them together for the first time this season, and both were skinned time and again.

I think 442 can work, but it depends how its played, against united it was very effective, but because we pushed up on their fullbacks so much, and their midfiled was frankly wank, apart from Rooney.

Think that is a good summary. Richards was poor and clichy is the most overrated player we have. When did he last create anything offensively and now his defending is becoming suspect. I said we should have bought a left back in the summer because neither are good enough at the very top level.

A strong manager would have subbed Dzeko for a midfield player after 25 minutes. Can't upset edin though!