Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

[shadowyu]

Personally, I am not very concerned about CL at all. I believe Pellers knows Europe very well and that we will make it far in the CL this year. The problem will be domestic competition as he doesn't know England whatsoever. He even stated prior to the Stoke game something like "We didn't chose this lineup just because we are playing Stoke, but because we believe that at the moment it is our best lineup to use, considering all circumstances". This in itself proves that he had a low opinion of Stoke. I am sure he expected to drive a tractor over Hull, Cardiff and Stoke. Unless if he has already learnt, then this will be the season to learn (and I am afraid not just in the PL, but also in both of the domestic cups).

But, with CL, I have no concern. I think we will win tonight in a high scoring game and that we will take something from the Munich fixtures as well...

 

[mancity1]

Anybody???

Jethro Tull = Living in the Past.

You need to go to Tolmie Hairdoo's school of cryptic's mate.

Damn. I thought it was 'Thick as a Brick'...which personally I thought was harsh given that Billy isn't. Now if it had been DD I'd have nailed it.

LOL but you may be Skating Away on the thin Ice now BK.

I agree he isn't but I wish he wouldn't troll who he perceives on here to be the RM's finest gathering of bluemoooners.

He needs a dose of Crispian St Peters BK.

See if you can get the gist in that one?

If you get it in one you get 5 bertie points.

 

[OB1]

Jethro Tull = Living in the Past.

You need to go to Tolmie Hairdoo's school of cryptic's mate.

Damn. I thought it was 'Thick as a Brick'...which personally I thought was harsh given that Billy isn't. Now if it had been DD I'd have nailed it.

LOL but you may be Skating Away on the thin Ice now BK.

I agree he isn't but I wish he wouldn't troll who he perceives on here to be the RM's finest gathering of bluemoooners.

He needs a dose of Crispian St Peters BK.

See if you can get the gist in that one?

If you get it in one you get 5 bertie points.

Let's just hope Pellers can get City to play with passion today.

 

[Anonymous]

I would think Rafa was passed over for the other factors that you have regularly highlighted. Whatever the reasons, he was clearly passed over it is a fact that he would have crawled up the M1/M6 on his knees for the City job (I assume in reality he has a home on the Wirral but...).

Must admit that I could not bring myself to plump for Rafa for City; although he was my first choice for the England job. I would not trust the guy with a cheque book but that should be less of a concern with a DoF. I am certain Rafa would win things at City.

I'm a big fan of Rafa's ... so much so that I once started a thread calling Mancini the Italian Benitez. I was of course completely wrong because whereas I naively assumed Mancini would do well in the cups but never win a league ... the opposite in fact turned out to be true. I digress though ... yeah I like Rafa a lot, and yes I suspect we'd have won things with him. However ultimately I don't think there's a great deal of difference between Rafa and Pellegrini other than that Pellegrini's probably a much better man manager.

Before anyone pipes up ... yes I know Pellegrini hasn't won a trophy in Europe (how could I forget when I get to be reminded each time I open this thread) but Rafa's won the CL, UEFA Cup, La Liga, etc. However when football clubs look for managers trophies is not the only box which needs ticking ... otherwise Rafa wouldn't have spent so much time in the footballing wilderness and Mancini wouldn't currently be sunning himself in Sardinia.

 

[mancity1]

I can't even begin to explain how insulted I am by being referred to as a "psuedo Aussie" if that was directed at Exeter and me. I am a Mancunian, born and bred. and have never been anywhere near Australia.

Kappish?

It was directed at others than you OB1 and Exeter , don't flatter yourself you missed all the fun after the two of you went to bed.

Your a bit paranoid with all due respect.

I actually went into bat for you when I got my PM's from the mods.

An Aussie going into bat, now that is a worry;-)

My outrage was mock anyway, just for the record.

Fair enough I like your style in all seriousness , you fight a good fight for what my opinions worth.

I really hope my warped sense of humour didn't offend you or Exeter.

At least we got over your second string one day side (LOL).

Its a good sign for the important game tonight.

 

[OB1]

I would think Rafa was passed over for the other factors that you have regularly highlighted. Whatever the reasons, he was clearly passed over it is a fact that he would have crawled up the M1/M6 on his knees for the City job (I assume in reality he has a home on the Wirral but...).

Must admit that I could not bring myself to plump for Rafa for City; although he was my first choice for the England job. I would not trust the guy with a cheque book but that should be less of a concern with a DoF. I am certain Rafa would win things at City.

I'm a big fan of Rafa's ... so much so that I once started a thread calling Mancini the Italian Benitez. I was of course completely wrong because whereas I naively assumed Mancini would do well in the cups but never win a league ... the opposite in fact turned out to be true. I digress though ... yeah I like Rafa a lot, and yes I suspect we'd have won things with him. However ultimately I don't think there's a great deal of difference between Rafa and Pellegrini other than that Pellegrini's probably a much better man manager.

Before anyone pipes up ... yes I know Pellegrini hasn't won a trophy in Europe (how could I forget when I get to be reminded each time I open this thread) but Rafa's won the CL, UEFA Cup, La Liga, etc. However when football clubs look for managers trophies is not the only box which needs ticking ... otherwise Rafa wouldn't have spent so much time in the footballing wilderness and Mancini wouldn't currently be sunning himself in Sardinia.

If Rafa does well at Napoli, he may become a contender to takeover from Pellegrini if Pep is not available.

 

[mancity1]

Damn. I thought it was 'Thick as a Brick'...which personally I thought was harsh given that Billy isn't. Now if it had been DD I'd have nailed it.

LOL but you may be Skating Away on the thin Ice now BK.

I agree he isn't but I wish he wouldn't troll who he perceives on here to be the RM's finest gathering of bluemoooners.

He needs a dose of Crispian St Peters BK.

See if you can get the gist in that one?

If you get it in one you get 5 bertie points.

Let's just hope Pellers can get City to play with passion today.

That's two bertie points OB1 it would have been three if it had of read lets show passion and play with pride today.

Jenny Anderson would be proud of you.

 

[Anonymous]

I would think Rafa was passed over for the other factors that you have regularly highlighted. Whatever the reasons, he was clearly passed over it is a fact that he would have crawled up the M1/M6 on his knees for the City job (I assume in reality he has a home on the Wirral but...).

Must admit that I could not bring myself to plump for Rafa for City; although he was my first choice for the England job. I would not trust the guy with a cheque book but that should be less of a concern with a DoF. I am certain Rafa would win things at City.

I'm a big fan of Rafa's ... so much so that I once started a thread calling Mancini the Italian Benitez. I was of course completely wrong because whereas I naively assumed Mancini would do well in the cups but never win a league ... the opposite in fact turned out to be true. I digress though ... yeah I like Rafa a lot, and yes I suspect we'd have won things with him. However ultimately I don't think there's a great deal of difference between Rafa and Pellegrini other than that Pellegrini's probably a much better man manager.

Before anyone pipes up ... yes I know Pellegrini hasn't won a trophy in Europe (how could I forget when I get to be reminded each time I open this thread) but Rafa's won the CL, UEFA Cup, La Liga, etc. However when football clubs look for managers trophies is not the only box which needs ticking ... otherwise Rafa wouldn't have spent so much time in the footballing wilderness and Mancini wouldn't currently be sunning himself in Sardinia.

It's a relief to hear he is ok.

 

[BobKowalski]

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/championsleague/id/88?cc=5739

An interesting read on specialist CL managers which includes some words on Pellegrini.

It was an interesting read and highlights the need to adapt a team to the particular challenges of the CL as opposed to a domestic league with its different challenges.

The article states with respect to the appointment of Pellers 'the European records of Ancelotti and Pellegrini were key to those decisions.' If that is the case then why on earth did we not appoint Rafa Benitez who a) has a much superior CL record to Pellegrini and b) has more than a passing knowledge of the PL both of which are assets that should have made it a no brainer?

I keep coming back to this but we cannot attest that the European record of Pellegrini is the key factor in his appointment when Benitez has a much superior record i.e. actually winning the damn thing plus the advantage of knowing the domestic setup. The conclusion surely is that the appointment of Pellegrini had as much to do with other factors. One of which is perhaps doing things that Rafa cannot do which is shutting up and not objecting to decisions about the squad he may not agree with.

I would think Rafa was passed over for the other factors that you have regularly highlighted. Whatever the reasons, he was clearly passed over it is a fact that he would have crawled up the M1/M6 on his knees for the City job (I assume in reality he has a home on the Wirral but...).

Must admit that I could not bring myself to plump for Rafa for City; although he was my first choice for the England job. I would not trust the guy with a cheque book but that should be less of a concern with a DoF. I am certain Rafa would win things at City.

Agreed. The signing of players would still require Txiki's nod of approval so there would be few fears on that score. I think Mourinho is even worse at identifying and buying players he needs but in both cases give them a squad that marries up to their respective strengths and philosophies and you have something that will win trophies. And Rafa is a big advocate of a strong youth policy.

Obviously Mourinho politically was a non starter but I reckon Rafa would have worked provided the parameters of his role were clearly outlined and there was a bit of give and take on Txiki's part. As you say Rafa would have cheerfully drowned a sack of cute kittens to get the gig so the basis for negotiation was there. Loaning Gareth Barry may have been a deal breaker though.

 

[Anonymous]

If Rafa does well at Napoli, he may become a contender to takeover from Pellegrini if Pep is not available.

I think that's a step too far ahead right now ... football changes pretty quickly and I suspect in the 2/3 years time when Pellegrini is looking to move on, there may well be other contenders. I've not mentioned his name in a while ... but surely Klopp will have fulfilled his ambitions in Dortmund by that point ... and what I wouldn't give to have that crazy genius in charge of our football team.

Anyway ... I still, i'm going to say naively as I'm in a pretty small minority, believe that Pellegrini is going to win not only the league this season, but will do a double along with a cup. I feel good about that prediction ... don't feel like it's unrealistic or particularly ambitious.