Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 4)

[Anonymous]

He IS often very lazy on the pitch though mate, and that's coming form one of his biggest fans

I don't think Mancini nor Pellegrini would put up with a player being wantonly lazy. He might not be as dynamic as Fernandinho or Tevez, but I think the lazy tag is well unfair.

 

[blueinsa]

His performance may have been the least inspiring to you - but I'll ask once again - why the need for the snide comment? Does it hurt your feeling that one of the players praised something Pellegrini did because frankly, that's how your comment comes off.

Not looking to start a fight btw, just genuinely baffled as to why you'd make a snarky comment like that. Surely if Pellegrini's dishing out inspirational team talks and we're subsequently beating teams 6 - 0 this is something to be happy about. Not something to instantly find fault in.

It wasn't a sarky comment, I was at the game and watched for most of the first half as Yaya was off the pace and struggling to get a foothold, as we're the rest of the midfield for chunks of the first half. So I found it strange that of all the people to come out and say he gave an inspirational talk beforehand, his performance was probably the least inspired.
If you want to turn that into me not being happy with the end result, or even that my feelings may be hurt after a 6-0 win against a team I dislike immensely then go ahead mate but you're off the mark.
Long may his team talks have the same affect.

Oooo, Pablo1, don't be critical of anyone who praises Pellers - The Cult of Pelladon will be on you having a go before you can say Jack...

I agree with you YaYa did have a poor first half - though he more than made up for it in the second. The rest of the team were excellent all game at defending and getting the ball forward quickly so it didn't really matter that much.

The general level of football at home is great and I'm loving it.

Sadly away from home it's pretty poor and against the best (Byern) it was woeful. Worst of all the same mistakes are being made game after game and Pellegrini seems to be doing very little about it. To blame bad luck and the football Gods with his "That's Football" quip would, if said by Mancini, have got the cult members frothing at the mouth in anger. What is the difference chaps?

You make your own luck in football by being the best you can be. More importantly, good defending wins trophies - not cavalier attacking. It is a truism that applies across all team ball sports.

Pellegrini has to do two things have to be done away from home (and against the best teams at home):
- We need to play with a more solid defence (rather than the open gate we have been using till now). Defending well will silence the opposition crowd
AND
- Improve the attempts to goals ratio (currently at 10%) nearer to the 1 in 3 we are getting at home. Confidence will help here but we need to threaten the goal with more shots and runs at the massed rank defence. Improved corner delivery will also help (we don't clear the first man for around 33% of them).

I happen to think that the way we played against Spurs by defending in depth and hitting the opposition on the break is the way forward away from home . Some though don't even recognise that we defended more deeply than in previous home games (which is rather bizarre to say the least).

If Pellers sorts it out he will stay, if he doesn't he will be given the boot. I personally think he will be given the boot if he hasn't sorted it out by Christmas as there is no such thing as being given 'Time' to develop a team in this day and age. Indeed if he doesn't sort it out over the next 4 away games he deserves to be given the boot as our Champions League qualification for next season would be put in jeopardy.

 

[moomba]

Here we go again :(

 

[Anonymous]

Oooo, Pablo1, don't be critical of anyone who praises Pellers - The Cult of Pelladon will be on you having a go before you can say Jack...

To be honest mate comments like this are what are causing so much discussion behind the scenes between the moderators and Ric. It's time to put shit like this to bed not because your not entitled to be sarcastic, but because then I'd be entitled to reply in kind and before your know it we're back to a thread which is of little interest to anyone but six or seven posters who fancy a good bitchfest.

Sadly away from home it's pretty poor and against the best (Byern) it was woeful. Worst of all the same mistakes are being made game after game and Pellegrini seems to be doing very little about it. To blame bad luck and the football Gods with his "That's Football" quip would, if said by Mancini, have got the cult members frothing at the mouth in anger. What is the difference chaps?

Same with comments like the highlighted. You've obviously made your mind up about our poor away form. Fair enough - but much like your comments yesterday about some of us needing glasses, there comes a point where someone will reply in kind and the entire forum suffers for it.

 

[FantasyIreland]

If Pellers sorts it out he will stay, if he doesn't he will be given the boot. I personally think he will be given the boot if he hasn't sorted it out by Christmas as there is no such thing as being given 'Time' to develop a team in this day and age. Indeed if he doesn't sort it out over the next 4 away games he deserves to be given the boot as our Champions League qualification for next season would be put in jeopardy.

How about we give the manager enough time and opportunity to properly implement his methods and maybe a couple of transfer windows to address our squad weaknesses that are a legacy of the previous two regimes.

IMO,he is well on his way to sorting both,the excitement and fun is back,much of our football has been superb,bad luck and individual error accounting for most of the poor results,while the vast majority of players cant praise him enough....... great times are not far away.

 

[bobmcfc]

Go and sit on the naughty step Pablo

Time out for you :)

 

[OB1]

Pellegrini's transfer dealings haven't received enough praise for me.

He has brought in five players from foreign shores who,with the exception of injury to one,have adapted superbly and are looking like they have been here years.To a man each of them also look like team players who are here predominantly to play football and give their best for the club.

It seems he has the ability to spot players with excellent character to compliment ability,a winning combo and superb work from the boss.

Completely agree with this.

As to Yaya, he was definitely off the pace for the first half hour or so.

He made a few mistakes but that doesn't mean that he was not fully motivated or moved by Pellegrini's team talk.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

It wasn't a sarky comment, I was at the game and watched for most of the first half as Yaya was off the pace and struggling to get a foothold, as we're the rest of the midfield for chunks of the first half. So I found it strange that of all the people to come out and say he gave an inspirational talk beforehand, his performance was probably the least inspired.
If you want to turn that into me not being happy with the end result, or even that my feelings may be hurt after a 6-0 win against a team I dislike immensely then go ahead mate but you're off the mark.
Long may his team talks have the same affect.

Oooo, Pablo1, don't be critical of anyone who praises Pellers - The Cult of Pelladon will be on you having a go before you can say Jack...

I agree with you YaYa did have a poor first half - though he more than made up for it in the second. The rest of the team were excellent all game at defending and getting the ball forward quickly so it didn't really matter that much.

The general level of football at home is great and I'm loving it.

Sadly away from home it's pretty poor and against the best (Byern) it was woeful. Worst of all the same mistakes are being made game after game and Pellegrini seems to be doing very little about it. To blame bad luck and the football Gods with his "That's Football" quip would, if said by Mancini, have got the cult members frothing at the mouth in anger. What is the difference chaps?

You make your own luck in football by being the best you can be. More importantly, good defending wins trophies - not cavalier attacking. It is a truism that applies across all team ball sports.

Pellegrini has to do two things have to be done away from home (and against the best teams at home):
- We need to play with a more solid defence (rather than the open gate we have been using till now). Defending well will silence the opposition crowd
AND
- Improve the attempts to goals ratio (currently at 10%) nearer to the 1 in 3 we are getting at home. Confidence will help here but we need to threaten the goal with more shots and runs at the massed rank defence. Improved corner delivery will also help (we don't clear the first man for around 33% of them).

I happen to think that the way we played against Spurs by defending in depth and hitting the opposition on the break is the way forward away from home . Some though don't even recognise that we defended more deeply than in previous home games (which is rather bizarre to say the least).

If Pellers sorts it out he will stay, if he doesn't he will be given the boot. I personally think he will be given the boot if he hasn't sorted it out by Christmas as there is no such thing as being given 'Time' to develop a team in this day and age. Indeed if he doesn't sort it out over the next 4 away games he deserves to be given the boot as our Champions League qualification for next season would be put in jeopardy.

+1 ...... A Blue Anarok special

 

[jollylescott]

If Pellers sorts it out he will stay, if he doesn't he will be given the boot. I personally think he will be given the boot if he hasn't sorted it out by Christmas as there is no such thing as being given 'Time' to develop a team in this day and age. Indeed if he doesn't sort it out over the next 4 away games he deserves to be given the boot as our Champions League qualification for next season would be put in jeopardy.

How about we give the manager enough time and opportunity to properly implement his methods and maybe a couple of transfer windows to address our squad weaknesses that are a legacy of the previous two regimes.

IMO,he is well on his way to sorting both,the excitement and fun is back,much of our football has been superb,bad luck and individual error accounting for most of the poor results,while the vast majority of players cant praise him enough....... great times are not far away.

It's quite extraordinary how quickly some are to write the obituary for players and management so prematurely. I have seen football from City this season which is simply breathtaking. The pace and movement is sublime. Of course the team is still developing its own style, but having a season ticket to the Etihad is simply the best gig in English football. And lets face it, Pellers is the one that has brought all this excitement and panache to the club.

7 goals v Norwich, 6 v Spuds, slaughtering the Rags. How good is all of this! If some of you guys want to hand in your season tickets I am sure there will be plenty of takers. I am buying into the Pellers experience, and I am sure by the end of the season most of the doomsday warriors will be doing the same.

 

[OB1]

Haha,

Its nice to hear comments like that from a City player.

I've noticed Yaya describes everything as sensational and amazing he's a positive guy and probably my favouriye City player of all-time.

I think Yaya would always support whoever the Manager is and rightly so.

He's a model pro ... arguably the best midfielder of his kind in the world ... it's always curious the amount of criticism he takes for supposedly being lazy. The fact he so often takes the captains armband when Vinny's out speaks volumes about the kind of professional he is.

I was ranting at someone for calling Ya Ya "disinterested" yesterday. That and the "lazy" tag really bug me.

Ya Ya wouldn't look pumped up if he was being chased by Freddy Kreuger. His demeanour never changes. But he's totally committed for every game (and I'd fancy his chances against Freddy)

Here's a player whose distance covered stats for the league I would love to see, in comparison to the rest of the team. I know you don't like stats but I do. I haven't time for my rant about how they should be called performance indicators but I really think that would be interesting. On the UEFA stats for UCL, Yaya covers the most distance of the City players that I can find listed but it is not a complete set. Anyhow, he is not lazy.