Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 4)

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Jimfv1 said:
Hopefully MP saw today that some of the backup players aren't good enough. Plzen deserved their two goals today because we couldn't contain them. Thankfully our first teamers scored the goals that we needed to win the game. I know we have to use the full squad but as everyone on here has said there is a drop off in quality from our best fourteen players to the rest of our squad, and it looked evident tonight at times. Some of it may be because some of the players aren't getting enough game time but I'd have hoped the desire of those not in the first eleven would drive them on to try a bit harder and try to get on the first team sheet.

Still we got another win and that's what counts.

He was never going to come in and change 8 or 9 of the squad in his first month, especially as we already had 4 or 5 players going out and needing replacing,

You can bet your bottom dollar that he will be talking to txiki, who will In turn be talking to the board, about organic development of the squad over the next couple of windows. Amd there will be changes. Hopefully for the better.
 
Another game where he gave the fringe players their opportunity and another game where they let him down. Hopefully there's work going on behind the scenes regarding January transfers as our second string isn't up to the task, not by a long shot.
 
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/ed...92227/pellegrini-the-key-to-nasris-resurgence

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The Manchester City midfielder is feeling loved again under the former Malaga coach after suffering from poor form and a lack of confidence during Roberto Mancini's reign



Six points off the title pace, England's No.1 goalkeeper acclimatising to life on the bench and a Champions League schooling at the hands of Bayern Munich a black mark on Manchester City's European progression, Manuel Pellegrini's early tenure has not been without its teething problems.

Expectations were understandably high after reinforcements, to the tune of over €120 million, arrived in the summer, and although his side have frustrated as much as they have delighted so far, Pellegrini is still enjoying a cosy honeymoon period by virtue of having restored an element of fun and fantasy to City's play.



Chief to benefit from the club's renewed commitment to entertaining has been Samir Nasri, a player whose own travails mirrored the decay of a side that went from swaggering champions to robotic introverts inside 12 months under Roberto Mancini's chaotic regime.

Like his former manager, Nasri is not without his own character defects. Instances of petulance and ill-discipline have pockmarked a career that has seesawed dramatically since his arrival in England five years ago.
Transgressions such as the foul-mouthed rant at a French journalist that followed Les Bleus' stormy exit from Euro 2012 and earned him a lengthy ban have fuelled the perception of Nasri as the atypical brattish Premier League footballer. Ultimately, however, this is an ultra-talented sportsman in need of guidance and indulgence.

It is no coincidence that the best football of his career was played out under Arsene Wenger but the headstrong Nasri wanted to be more than the jewel in Wenger's crown and left for the Etihad, citing trophies, rather than money, as his motivation.

It was a decision that was vindicated in terms of silverware and a gloating Nasri was quick to point out as much just moments after City lifted their first Premier League title. His critics, however, were even quicker to point out he had done little to earn his championship medal.

As City's title defence faltered so too did Nasri's form and relationship with Mancini, who once admitted he had grown so frustrated with the former Marseille playmaker's performances that he had wanted to "punch" him.

By the time Mancini left the club following the humiliating FA Cup final defeat against Wigan, a game in which Nasri was hauled off after just 54 minutes, many expected the 26-year-old to follow him out of the door in the summer.

Indeed, had City's pursuit of Pellegrini's former charge at Malaga, Isco, been successful that may well have been the case. As it was the gifted Spaniard opted instead to sign for Real Madrid and upon learning of his decision, the Chilean coach made a beeline for Nasri, convinced him of his worth and explained in detail the role he saw him fulfilling in a new-look team. In short, Pellegrini made Nasri feel like he belonged at City in a way Mancini never had.

A source close to the club told Goal: "Pellegrini is like an inquisitive father to a lot of these players, particularly some of the younger guys like Nasri. He takes a genuine interest, of course, in their football and development as players, but also their life away from the pitch."

Having taken an interest in his personal life,
Pellegrini would know that Nasri is now far more settled than he was following his split from former professional tennis star Tatiana Golvin and the regular trips he made back down to London from Manchester during his early days with City have become far less frequent.

Far from being the divisive character he was painted as at Arsenal by his former captain William Gallas, Nasri is well liked by staff and players alike at City, where his firm grasp of English sarcasm is fondly appreciated.

In particular he has developed a close friendship with Yaya Toure and the two trained together at length in pre-season, regularly staying behind after others had fled the training pitch to practise their long-range shooting and free kicks - sessions which have paid dividends for the Ivory Coast enforcer in the early months of the campaign.

Tactically, Pellegrini has insisted on Nasri and City's other mini maestro David Silva operating closer together when the team are in possession to help supply the ammunition for the burgeoning partnership of Sergio Aguero and Alvaro Negredo.

Goals, and plenty of them, have followed – 12 in the last two games to be exact. City and Nasri are suddenly buzzing again and though CSKA Moscow and Norwich, who have been put to the sword in such thrilling fashion this past week, may view it differently, the Premier League should be proud to boast another box-office draw again.
 
I agree that we need to upgrade the squad players, not sure that January is the right time to do it.

Players that become available in January usually have "issues". Its when players like Balotelli and Suarez become available, not reliable second string centre backs.
 
blue city199 said:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/ed...92227/pellegrini-the-key-to-nasris-resurgence

BYnAp69CIAAgmEP.jpg:large




The Manchester City midfielder is feeling loved again under the former Malaga coach after suffering from poor form and a lack of confidence during Roberto Mancini's reign



Six points off the title pace, England's No.1 goalkeeper acclimatising to life on the bench and a Champions League schooling at the hands of Bayern Munich a black mark on Manchester City's European progression, Manuel Pellegrini's early tenure has not been without its teething problems.

Expectations were understandably high after reinforcements, to the tune of over €120 million, arrived in the summer, and although his side have frustrated as much as they have delighted so far, Pellegrini is still enjoying a cosy honeymoon period by virtue of having restored an element of fun and fantasy to City's play.



Chief to benefit from the club's renewed commitment to entertaining has been Samir Nasri, a player whose own travails mirrored the decay of a side that went from swaggering champions to robotic introverts inside 12 months under Roberto Mancini's chaotic regime.

Like his former manager, Nasri is not without his own character defects. Instances of petulance and ill-discipline have pockmarked a career that has seesawed dramatically since his arrival in England five years ago.
Transgressions such as the foul-mouthed rant at a French journalist that followed Les Bleus' stormy exit from Euro 2012 and earned him a lengthy ban have fuelled the perception of Nasri as the atypical brattish Premier League footballer. Ultimately, however, this is an ultra-talented sportsman in need of guidance and indulgence.

It is no coincidence that the best football of his career was played out under Arsene Wenger but the headstrong Nasri wanted to be more than the jewel in Wenger's crown and left for the Etihad, citing trophies, rather than money, as his motivation.

It was a decision that was vindicated in terms of silverware and a gloating Nasri was quick to point out as much just moments after City lifted their first Premier League title. His critics, however, were even quicker to point out he had done little to earn his championship medal.

As City's title defence faltered so too did Nasri's form and relationship with Mancini, who once admitted he had grown so frustrated with the former Marseille playmaker's performances that he had wanted to "punch" him.

By the time Mancini left the club following the humiliating FA Cup final defeat against Wigan, a game in which Nasri was hauled off after just 54 minutes, many expected the 26-year-old to follow him out of the door in the summer.

Indeed, had City's pursuit of Pellegrini's former charge at Malaga, Isco, been successful that may well have been the case. As it was the gifted Spaniard opted instead to sign for Real Madrid and upon learning of his decision, the Chilean coach made a beeline for Nasri, convinced him of his worth and explained in detail the role he saw him fulfilling in a new-look team. In short, Pellegrini made Nasri feel like he belonged at City in a way Mancini never had.

A source close to the club told Goal: "Pellegrini is like an inquisitive father to a lot of these players, particularly some of the younger guys like Nasri. He takes a genuine interest, of course, in their football and development as players, but also their life away from the pitch."

Having taken an interest in his personal life,
Pellegrini would know that Nasri is now far more settled than he was following his split from former professional tennis star Tatiana Golvin and the regular trips he made back down to London from Manchester during his early days with City have become far less frequent.

Far from being the divisive character he was painted as at Arsenal by his former captain William Gallas, Nasri is well liked by staff and players alike at City, where his firm grasp of English sarcasm is fondly appreciated.

In particular he has developed a close friendship with Yaya Toure and the two trained together at length in pre-season, regularly staying behind after others had fled the training pitch to practise their long-range shooting and free kicks - sessions which have paid dividends for the Ivory Coast enforcer in the early months of the campaign.

Tactically, Pellegrini has insisted on Nasri and City's other mini maestro David Silva operating closer together when the team are in possession to help supply the ammunition for the burgeoning partnership of Sergio Aguero and Alvaro Negredo.

Goals, and plenty of them, have followed – 12 in the last two games to be exact. City and Nasri are suddenly buzzing again and though CSKA Moscow and Norwich, who have been put to the sword in such thrilling fashion this past week, may view it differently, the Premier League should be proud to boast another box-office draw again.

Arf at the picture. The manager has definitely worked his magic on our current attacking players. He still has to get the defensive shape right though whether it is with our current crop or a couple of new signings.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Jimfv1 said:
Hopefully MP saw today that some of the backup players aren't good enough. Plzen deserved their two goals today because we couldn't contain them. Thankfully our first teamers scored the goals that we needed to win the game. I know we have to use the full squad but as everyone on here has said there is a drop off in quality from our best fourteen players to the rest of our squad, and it looked evident tonight at times. Some of it may be because some of the players aren't getting enough game time but I'd have hoped the desire of those not in the first eleven would drive them on to try a bit harder and try to get on the first team sheet.

Still we got another win and that's what counts.

He was never going to come in and change 8 or 9 of the squad in his first month, especially as we already had 4 or 5 players going out and needing replacing,

You can bet your bottom dollar that he will be talking to txiki, who will In turn be talking to the board, about organic development of the squad over the next couple of windows. Amd there will be changes. Hopefully for the better.

I'd envisage that as the likely course of events.

I do think that there is a definite balance between continuity and upgrading the players. Also, lots of better players don't want to play second fiddle - we know that only too well. When make big changes, in team selection, we seem to struggle. One or tow of the "reserves" coming in is often OK but the full blown 2nd 11 certainly lacks creativity.

The other thing about last night, and MP himself commented on this, was incentive.
 
OB1 said:
Didsbury Dave said:
Jimfv1 said:
Hopefully MP saw today that some of the backup players aren't good enough. Plzen deserved their two goals today because we couldn't contain them. Thankfully our first teamers scored the goals that we needed to win the game. I know we have to use the full squad but as everyone on here has said there is a drop off in quality from our best fourteen players to the rest of our squad, and it looked evident tonight at times. Some of it may be because some of the players aren't getting enough game time but I'd have hoped the desire of those not in the first eleven would drive them on to try a bit harder and try to get on the first team sheet.

Still we got another win and that's what counts.

He was never going to come in and change 8 or 9 of the squad in his first month, especially as we already had 4 or 5 players going out and needing replacing,

You can bet your bottom dollar that he will be talking to txiki, who will In turn be talking to the board, about organic development of the squad over the next couple of windows. Amd there will be changes. Hopefully for the better.

I'd envisage that as the likely course of events.

I do think that there is a definite balance between continuity and upgrading the players. Also, lots of better players don't want to play second fiddle - we know that only too well. When make big changes, in team selection, we seem to struggle. One or tow of the "reserves" coming in is often OK but the full blown 2nd 11 certainly lacks creativity.

The other thing about last night, and MP himself commented on this, was incentive.

Yeah, it will happen and it will happen slowly and steadily. People are acting today as though we are going to be sticking that eleven out against Arsenal. You play a team which is three quarters reserve players, and who don't even play together, you're going to get a disjointed performance like that.

There isn't a club in Europe who don't have plenty of fringe players who are significantly below the level of the first choice players. When you have a team of our quality, by definition, it's going to happen. You can't have four Sergios or Silvas, it just isn't feasible.

Replace Garcia, Kolorov and Lescott with three top drawer players and we will have a squad good enough to win the champions league. And I think both things will happen.
 
This is where the academy will be important. In time the players on the fringe will hopefully be academy products looking to force their way into first team contention.

Until then the likes of Garcia, Kolarov etc are a neccesity. Which isnt ideal for us or the players themselves.

We've got a cracking 1st XI, but the squad needs a lot of work. And more often than not, that work won't involve buying world class players. Just those willing to bide their time, play the good clubman and work hard to generate more opportunities for themselves.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
OB1 said:
Didsbury Dave said:
He was never going to come in and change 8 or 9 of the squad in his first month, especially as we already had 4 or 5 players going out and needing replacing,

You can bet your bottom dollar that he will be talking to txiki, who will In turn be talking to the board, about organic development of the squad over the next couple of windows. Amd there will be changes. Hopefully for the better.

I'd envisage that as the likely course of events.

I do think that there is a definite balance between continuity and upgrading the players. Also, lots of better players don't want to play second fiddle - we know that only too well. When make big changes, in team selection, we seem to struggle. One or tow of the "reserves" coming in is often OK but the full blown 2nd 11 certainly lacks creativity.

The other thing about last night, and MP himself commented on this, was incentive.

Yeah, it will happen and it will happen slowly and steadily. People are acting today as though we are going to be sticking that eleven out against Arsenal. You play a team which is three quarters reserve players, and who don't even play together, you're going to get a disjointed performance like that.

There isn't a club in Europe who don't have plenty of fringe players who are significantly below the level of the first choice players. When you have a team of our quality, by definition, it's going to happen. You can't have four Sergios or Silvas, it just isn't feasible.

Replace Garcia, Kolorov and Lescott with three top drawer players and we will have a squad good enough to win the champions league. And I think both things will happen.

I agree.
 
Regarding last night ... I thought Pellegrini got his team selection wrong. Playing Aguero was pointless and we should've started the game with the team that started the 2nd half.

On the plus side he identified the problems in the first half and the changes made all the difference as we had much better control of the game after the break and finished the game much stronger than we began it.

I really think he should by now know that Garcia in a two man midfield with anyone else is going to get overrun by any side with a bit of pace and a bit of guile.
 
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