Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 4)

[FantasyIreland]

Past Quarter finalists.

Benfica.

So to answer my original question which was what division are we talking about. You think the Portuguese Primeira league?

Definitely no good players have come from there... just Falcao. Hulk. Witsel. Luiz. Moutinho. Rodriguez. Coentrao. Fernandez. Di Maria.

Bebe.

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

Ronaldo came from Sporting Lisbon

Rubbish - he was left on the steps of Old trafford as a baby. SALF took him in and the rest is history.

I've heard he was actually conceived in the food storage area at Lou Macari's chippy.

That would explain the overly-greasy hair....

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Rubbish - he was left on the steps of Old trafford as a baby. SALF took him in and the rest is history.

I've heard he was actually conceived in the food storage area at Lou Macari's chippy.

That would explain the overly-greasy hair....

And the chip on his shoulder.

 

[kenzie115]

For all the excuses being made, we have a squad that should be doing much, much better.

People are talking a if our squad players are hopeless. Plenty of clhbs would love to have the likes of Kolarov, Micah, Garcia (yes even Garcia), Rodwell, Milner, Dzeko as first teamers let alone bench players.

Everyone needs go improve, including the manager. I reckon theres a good chance that will happen. But lets not downplay what we are capable of.

The difference is, if any of those players were at teams where they were playing regularly they'd be developing understandings with their fellow players and improving the team as a whole. It's widely acknowledged that our first XI is very good, we can even make a couple of changes to it and it doesn't affect it too much. However, once you start changing 4, 5 or 6 players, half the team is suddenly players that haven't been playing together regularly. Yes they train together every day but every professional will tell you it's nothing like playing matches. This results in a lack of cohesion and slows everything down.

One of the main problems with having 2 top drawer players per position is that they all expect to play, this means rotation, and rotation results in an unsettled first XI which can have a negative impact on the way the team as a whole perform.

The teams that have won the Premier League repeatedly have always had a core of 7, 8 or 9 players who would be in the side for 90% of the games, with unspectacular back ups in reserve. The likes of John O'Shea and Wes Brown have never been and will never be world beaters, but they helped United to multiple titles because they were able to fill in for a few games here and there when the first choice was unavailable.

I think our back ups are very good first teamers, but not so good at being someone who can play three games then not play for a month but still put in a decent performance if called upon again. Dzeko for example has often been described as a confidence player, a player who needs a run of games to hit form. This isn't what you want from a back up, so whilst someone like Hernandez (apologies for all the United references but unfortunately their success makes them an excellent reference) isn't as good a player as Dzeko, he's actually a better back up.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

For all the excuses being made, we have a squad that should be doing much, much better.

People are talking a if our squad players are hopeless. Plenty of clhbs would love to have the likes of Kolarov, Micah, Garcia (yes even Garcia), Rodwell, Milner, Dzeko as first teamers let alone bench players.

Everyone needs go improve, including the manager. I reckon theres a good chance that will happen. But lets not downplay what we are capable of.

The difference is, if any of those players were at teams where they were playing regularly they'd be developing understandings with their fellow players and improving the team as a whole. It's widely acknowledged that our first XI is very good, we can even make a couple of changes to it and it doesn't affect it too much. However, once you start changing 4, 5 or 6 players, half the team is suddenly players that haven't been playing together regularly. Yes they train together every day but every professional will tell you it's nothing like playing matches. This results in a lack of cohesion and slows everything down.

One of the main problems with having 2 top drawer players per position is that they all expect to play, this means rotation, and rotation results in an unsettled first XI which can have a negative impact on the way the team as a whole perform.

The teams that have won the Premier League repeatedly have always had a core of 7, 8 or 9 players who would be in the side for 90% of the games, with unspectacular back ups in reserve. The likes of John O'Shea and Wes Brown have never been and will never be world beaters, but they helped United to multiple titles because they were able to fill in for a few games here and there when the first choice was unavailable.

I think our back ups are very good first teamers, but not so good at being someone who can play three games then not play for a month but still put in a decent performance if called upon again. Dzeko for example has often been described as a confidence player, a player who needs a run of games to hit form. This isn't what you want from a back up, so whilst someone like Hernandez (apologies for all the United references but unfortunately their success makes them an excellent reference) isn't as good a player as Dzeko, he's actually a better back up.

That's a very astute post. The gap in class between our first choices and our second is also accentuated by the fast, tight, incisive passing game Pellegrini is trying to instill. We have a number of players with great ability who, as well as needing regular games, are not that kind of footballer. Milner, lescott and dzeko spring to mind.

 

[M147WN]

FFS the way people talk about Garcia it is like we bought him from the fucking third division in Scotland.

If I didn't know better......

...McGarcia??

 

[hgblue]

For all the excuses being made, we have a squad that should be doing much, much better.

People are talking a if our squad players are hopeless. Plenty of clhbs would love to have the likes of Kolarov, Micah, Garcia (yes even Garcia), Rodwell, Milner, Dzeko as first teamers let alone bench players.

Everyone needs go improve, including the manager. I reckon theres a good chance that will happen. But lets not downplay what we are capable of.

The difference is, if any of those players were at teams where they were playing regularly they'd be developing understandings with their fellow players and improving the team as a whole. It's widely acknowledged that our first XI is very good, we can even make a couple of changes to it and it doesn't affect it too much. However, once you start changing 4, 5 or 6 players, half the team is suddenly players that haven't been playing together regularly. Yes they train together every day but every professional will tell you it's nothing like playing matches. This results in a lack of cohesion and slows everything down.

One of the main problems with having 2 top drawer players per position is that they all expect to play, this means rotation, and rotation results in an unsettled first XI which can have a negative impact on the way the team as a whole perform.

The teams that have won the Premier League repeatedly have always had a core of 7, 8 or 9 players who would be in the side for 90% of the games, with unspectacular back ups in reserve. The likes of John O'Shea and Wes Brown have never been and will never be world beaters, but they helped United to multiple titles because they were able to fill in for a few games here and there when the first choice was unavailable.

I think our back ups are very good first teamers, but not so good at being someone who can play three games then not play for a month but still put in a decent performance if called upon again. Dzeko for example has often been described as a confidence player, a player who needs a run of games to hit form. This isn't what you want from a back up, so whilst someone like Hernandez (apologies for all the United references but unfortunately their success makes them an excellent reference) isn't as good a player as Dzeko, he's actually a better back up.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.....

 

[lancs blue]

For all the excuses being made, we have a squad that should be doing much, much better.

People are talking a if our squad players are hopeless. Plenty of clhbs would love to have the likes of Kolarov, Micah, Garcia (yes even Garcia), Rodwell, Milner, Dzeko as first teamers let alone bench players.

Everyone needs go improve, including the manager. I reckon theres a good chance that will happen. But lets not downplay what we are capable of.

The difference is, if any of those players were at teams where they were playing regularly they'd be developing understandings with their fellow players and improving the team as a whole. It's widely acknowledged that our first XI is very good, we can even make a couple of changes to it and it doesn't affect it too much. However, once you start changing 4, 5 or 6 players, half the team is suddenly players that haven't been playing together regularly. Yes they train together every day but every professional will tell you it's nothing like playing matches. This results in a lack of cohesion and slows everything down.

One of the main problems with having 2 top drawer players per position is that they all expect to play, this means rotation, and rotation results in an unsettled first XI which can have a negative impact on the way the team as a whole perform.

The teams that have won the Premier League repeatedly have always had a core of 7, 8 or 9 players who would be in the side for 90% of the games, with unspectacular back ups in reserve. The likes of John O'Shea and Wes Brown have never been and will never be world beaters, but they helped United to multiple titles because they were able to fill in for a few games here and there when the first choice was unavailable.

I think our back ups are very good first teamers, but not so good at being someone who can play three games then not play for a month but still put in a decent performance if called upon again. Dzeko for example has often been described as a confidence player, a player who needs a run of games to hit form. This isn't what you want from a back up, so whilst someone like Hernandez (apologies for all the United references but unfortunately their success makes them an excellent reference) isn't as good a player as Dzeko, he's actually a better back up.

Ferguson rotated his squad as a matter of course for years, even the "core" of Wio,Rooney, Scholes, Giggs were rotated.

 

[flb]

All of a sudden we've gone from having the best squad in the premiership to one that now needs a defensive and midfield overhaul.

here's me thinking that the Messiah was renown for getting the best out of his players and how he took Malaga to the semi's of the CL blah blah fucking blah.


Seems there are a few posters on here downplaying things telling us we need to throw money at it again.

Is this going to be a transitional year?

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Past Quarter finalists.

Benfica.

So to answer my original question which was what division are we talking about. You think the Portuguese Primeira league?

Definitely no good players have come from there... just Falcao. Hulk. Witsel. Luiz. Moutinho. Rodriguez. Coentrao. Fernandez. Di Maria.

I didn't say no good players come from that division, did I? I was implying that most decent players wouldn't go to that division and in this instance you're not talking about him coming from that division, you're talking about him (hypothetically) going back to that division. So I'm not sure that the point you're trying to make is relevant.