Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 4)

[Rammy Blue]

Tried to stay away as been busy and find that international fortnight results in stuff just being dragged out unnecessarily, however having flick-read the last few pages it has to be said that SHB has confirmed his position as a comedy poster and fib is an utter loon.

I'll admit I have doubts about MP but am not going to lose the plot quite so quickly as some on here, it truly is unreal some of the shite posted over the last few days.

Shite?? What is shite is our away points tally. They are the hold card facts. 3 out of 18.
We can play all the pretty one touch ticka tacka football in the world but I'd rather have 3 pts. Sorry but I thought it was about points on the board. Of course it would be nice to do it the correct way but all these unlucky stories are just excuses for not being able to put away so called lesser opposition.
The annoying thing is that the league is clearly there for the taking this season and although the opposition has certainly got stronger,our squad is clearly the strongest yet we are still struggling to make an impact away from home.

I know our away form is shocking and a big concern, and I also know that the league is there for the taking. I've said I have concerns about MP and he needs to sort all this quickly as we can't afford many more slip-ups, however imo it's blatantly obvious the entrenched position you have taken is done purposefully to allow yourself the opportunity to bait Billy, Dave etc - something that imo is entirely unnecessary.

 

[Skashion]

I often think what sven would do with squad, like mancini, cappello etc a born title winner.

oh well.

Shag a few secretaries for sure.

Definitely pay a bit more attention to the tea ladies than Mancini did.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

Tried to stay away as been busy and find that international fortnight results in stuff just being dragged out unnecessarily, however having flick-read the last few pages it has to be said that SHB has confirmed his position as a comedy poster and fib is an utter loon.

I'll admit I have doubts about MP but am not going to lose the plot quite so quickly as some on here, it truly is unreal some of the shite posted over the last few days.

Shite?? What is shite is our away points tally. They are the hold card facts. 3 out of 18.
We can play all the pretty one touch ticka tacka football in the world but I'd rather have 3 pts. Sorry but I thought it was about points on the board. Of course it would be nice to do it the correct way but all these unlucky stories are just excuses for not being able to put away so called lesser opposition.
The annoying thing is that the league is clearly there for the taking this season and although the opposition has certainly got stronger,our squad is clearly the strongest yet we are still struggling to make an impact away from home.

I know our away form is shocking and a big concern, and I also know that the league is there for the taking. I've said I have concerns about MP and he needs to sort all this quickly as we can't afford many more slip-ups, however imo it's blatantly obvious the entrenched position you have taken is done purposefully to allow yourself the opportunity to bait Billy, Dave etc - something that imo is entirely unnecessary.

Listen Rammy with all due respect I think you will find that what happened yesterday between myself and Billy was nothing to do with City or Football.
Dave is actually a friend of mine and we pm regularly so stop shit stirring because you really don't know the half of it. I have no issue with any fans opinion on the club,manager etc and my position is not entrenched at all. Facts are facts and 4 out of 18 is simply a pathetic return considering the investment made to improve the squad.

 

[flb]

And that is the adult response to being proven to be wrong. Like a little kid screaming "not fair, doesn't count".

He does have a valid point though. The 1st and 2nd place teams in that league are almost known before the season begins. It's just which order the season ends that is up for debate.

That was the only other European League that Pellegrini has managed in; do either of you see the irony there. Even more ironic then that Pellegrini manged to split the two horses with Villareal.

So what we seem to get is that his record in spain can't count because it is a two horse race and of course all his trophies in South America count for nothing.

Neil Lennon has a near 75% win rate in that other two horse race the SPL

All I've done is point out my reservations about him, everybody is surprised at his defensive tactics and team selections mate, Vinny is out for another month, let's see how he handles that.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

He does have a valid point though. The 1st and 2nd place teams in that league are almost known before the season begins. It's just which order the season ends that is up for debate.

That was the only other European League that Pellegrini has managed in; do either of you see the irony there. Even more ironic then that Pellegrini manged to split the two horses with Villareal.

So what we seem to get is that his record in spain can't count because it is a two horse race and of course all his trophies in South America count for nothing.

Neil Lennon has a near 75% win rate in that other two horse race the SPL

All I've done is point out my reservations about him, everybody is surprised at his defensive tactics and team selections mate, Vinny is out for another month, let's see how he handles that.

So when is VK back mate?? Another bloody month?? Jeez

 

[Inter Me Nan]

He does have a valid point though. The 1st and 2nd place teams in that league are almost known before the season begins. It's just which order the season ends that is up for debate.

That was the only other European League that Pellegrini has managed in; do either of you see the irony there. Even more ironic then that Pellegrini manged to split the two horses with Villareal.

So what we seem to get is that his record in spain can't count because it is a two horse race and of course all his trophies in South America count for nothing.

Neil Lennon has a near 75% win rate in that other two horse race the SPL
All I've done is point out my reservations about him, everybody is surprised at his defensive tactics and team selections mate, Vinny is out for another month, let's see how he handles that.

One horse.

 

[flb]

That was the only other European League that Pellegrini has managed in; do either of you see the irony there. Even more ironic then that Pellegrini manged to split the two horses with Villareal.

So what we seem to get is that his record in spain can't count because it is a two horse race and of course all his trophies in South America count for nothing.

Neil Lennon has a near 75% win rate in that other two horse race the SPL

All I've done is point out my reservations about him, everybody is surprised at his defensive tactics and team selections mate, Vinny is out for another month, let's see how he handles that.

So when is VK back mate?? Another bloody month?? Jeez

I'm sure it's on the Bluemoon home page

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

Neil Lennon has a near 75% win rate in that other two horse race the SPL

All I've done is point out my reservations about him, everybody is surprised at his defensive tactics and team selections mate, Vinny is out for another month, let's see how he handles that.

So when is VK back mate?? Another bloody month?? Jeez

I'm sure it's on the Bluemoon home page

We really need this lad back asap.Was hoping for the Swansea game personally

 

[Deleted member 58678]

Tried to stay away as been busy and find that international fortnight results in stuff just being dragged out unnecessarily, however having flick-read the last few pages it has to be said that SHB has confirmed his position as a comedy poster and fib is an utter loon.

I'll admit I have doubts about MP but am not going to lose the plot quite so quickly as some on here, it truly is unreal some of the shite posted over the last few days.

Shite?? What is shite is our away points tally. They are the hold card facts. 4 out of 18.
We can play all the pretty one touch ticka tacka football in the world but I'd rather have 3 pts. Sorry but I thought it was about points on the board. Of course it would be nice to do it the correct way but all these unlucky stories are just excuses for not being able to put away so called lesser opposition.
The annoying thing is that the league is clearly there for the taking this season and although the opposition has certainly got stronger,our squad is clearly the strongest yet we are still struggling to make an impact away from home.

I don't think our squad is the strongest though. The last round of the FL Cup highlighted that one. Our squad team was absolutely woeful at Newcastle, where Chelsea's squad team outplayed Arsenal at the Emirates. I'm not sure any of our players who started that night would get into Chelsea's team. And that's our squad: we have an excellent spine, better than anyone's, and then twenty players who are totally replaceable.

Even our spine is unreliable with Hart out of form and confidence, Kompany always injured, Yaya only turning up for the big games and Kun who spent last season injured. When we have any of those missing our quality as a side is significantly lower.

Our squad players don't do the job our best players do. Ferguson built squads so that they could play the same every week no matter if they had injuries or suspensions because everyone knew what their job was and could perform it. What Pellegrini needs to realise (fast) is that when our excellent but unreliable spine aren't there, we are not capable of doing the same job as a team so we need to find a different strategy from one week to the next depending on the opposition and our own personnel. If he doesn't grasp that soon we will continue to lose points away from home. I don't mind then letting the man build a squad that can do the job that a squad should do.

 

[flb]

Tried to stay away as been busy and find that international fortnight results in stuff just being dragged out unnecessarily, however having flick-read the last few pages it has to be said that SHB has confirmed his position as a comedy poster and fib is an utter loon.

I'll admit I have doubts about MP but am not going to lose the plot quite so quickly as some on here, it truly is unreal some of the shite posted over the last few days.

Shite?? What is shite is our away points tally. They are the hold card facts. 4 out of 18.
We can play all the pretty one touch ticka tacka football in the world but I'd rather have 3 pts. Sorry but I thought it was about points on the board. Of course it would be nice to do it the correct way but all these unlucky stories are just excuses for not being able to put away so called lesser opposition.
The annoying thing is that the league is clearly there for the taking this season and although the opposition has certainly got stronger,our squad is clearly the strongest yet we are still struggling to make an impact away from home.

I don't think our squad is the strongest though. The last round of the FL Cup highlighted that one. Our squad team was absolutely woeful at Newcastle, where Chelsea's squad team outplayed Arsenal at the Emirates. I'm not sure any of our players who started that night would get into Chelsea's team. And that's our squad: we have an excellent spine, better than anyone's, and then twenty players who are totally replaceable.

Even our spine is unreliable with Hart out of form and confidence, Kompany always injured, Yaya only turning up for the big games and Kun who spent last season injured. When we have any of those missing our quality as a side is significantly lower.

Our squad players don't do the job our best players do. Ferguson built squads so that they could play the same every week no matter if they had injuries or suspensions because everyone knew what their job was and could perform it. What Pellegrini needs to realise (fast) is that when our excellent but unreliable spine aren't there, we are not capable of doing the same job as a team so we need to find a different strategy from one week to the next depending on the opposition and our own personnel. If he doesn't grasp that soon we will continue to lose points away from home. I don't mind then letting the man build a squad that can do the job that a squad should do.

Instead of Navas an Jovetic he should have bought a LB and CB, our squad is strong enough apart from that. Too much emphasis on attacking talent. He only went for a CB when Vinny got injured- and Kolorov is Kolorov.

Get Baines in in January, CB not sure about

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

That was the only other European League that Pellegrini has managed in; do either of you see the irony there. Even more ironic then that Pellegrini manged to split the two horses with Villareal.

So what we seem to get is that his record in spain can't count because it is a two horse race and of course all his trophies in South America count for nothing.

Neil Lennon has a near 75% win rate in that other two horse race the SPL
All I've done is point out my reservations about him, everybody is surprised at his defensive tactics and team selections mate, Vinny is out for another month, let's see how he handles that.

One horse.

One three-legged donkey derby.

 

[Anonymous]

That was the only other European League that Pellegrini has managed in; do either of you see the irony there. Even more ironic then that Pellegrini manged to split the two horses with Villareal.

So what we seem to get is that his record in spain can't count because it is a two horse race and of course all his trophies in South America count for nothing.

I never denied his abilities in Spain, and his record too in South America is a worthy one. Mugs do not manage River Plate. The point, though, that I am agreeing with him is that Real and Barca are European giants, let alone giants in their own league, and the finishing order can be predicted as each season begins, just as it could in Scotland before the Rangers demise. There will be the odd occasion when another team breaks the mould such as Ferguson did at Aberdeen, but these interruptions never stand the test of time. For this reason, the point made that Real Madrid's defence record not really being valid is a worthy one, although I will accept that Madrid's defence record did markedly improve from Pellegrinis appointment.

But the finishing order in Spain couldn't be predicted when Pellegrini came second with Villareal and, btw he had a very decent defensive record in some of his seasons at Villareal; especially as he didn't have the resources to match Real Madrid.

He had a very good defensive record at Real Madrid; if you and anyone else wants to dismiss it, go ahead but, as people earlier today wanted to point out about City's defensive record, the goals against column is a fact. It was also a goals against record that was appropriate for Real Madrid.

It does make me chuckle.

"He can't organize a defence!"

"He did ok with Madrid, the last top team he managed."

"Doesn't count. Two horse league."

"He finished 2nd with Villareal."

"Doesn't count. They were .... Errr .... They had three good players. Anyway he's never won a trophy."

"He won several in South America."

"South America! Don't make me laugh."

"Let me guess. Does doesn't count?"

"The only thing that counts is points on the board. We should have a hundred by now."

"We've only played 11 league games."

"So? Top managers find ways to get points on the board."

"The max we could have is 33."

"Fine we should have 33. At least."

"Isn't that a bit unrealistic?"

"Unrealistic! Best squad in the league. Best defence two years running. I want, no I DEMAND, improvements. At this rate we won't even finish in the top 4."

"We're only six points off the top of the league."

"Doesn't count. Our games were all easy. Frank Clark could've gotten us to 33 points by now."

"Admit it' you just don't want to give the guy a chance ...."

"What! how dare you. How fucking dare you pal! I .... I ..... I've got more loyalty points than you. And I say he'll win us fuck all. You hear me! FUCK ALL! He's the Chilean David Moyes except Moyes will finish ahead of him cuz at least Moyes can organize a defence."

Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[flb]

I never denied his abilities in Spain, and his record too in South America is a worthy one. Mugs do not manage River Plate. The point, though, that I am agreeing with him is that Real and Barca are European giants, let alone giants in their own league, and the finishing order can be predicted as each season begins, just as it could in Scotland before the Rangers demise. There will be the odd occasion when another team breaks the mould such as Ferguson did at Aberdeen, but these interruptions never stand the test of time. For this reason, the point made that Real Madrid's defence record not really being valid is a worthy one, although I will accept that Madrid's defence record did markedly improve from Pellegrinis appointment.

But the finishing order in Spain couldn't be predicted when Pellegrini came second with Villareal and, btw he had a very decent defensive record in some of his seasons at Villareal; especially as he didn't have the resources to match Real Madrid.

He had a very good defensive record at Real Madrid; if you and anyone else wants to dismiss it, go ahead but, as people earlier today wanted to point out about City's defensive record, the goals against column is a fact. It was also a goals against record that was appropriate for Real Madrid.

It does make me chuckle.

"He can't organize a defence!"

"He did ok with Madrid, the last top team he managed."

"Doesn't count. Two horse league."

"He finished 2nd with Villareal."

"Doesn't count. They were .... Errr .... They had three good players. Anyway he's never won a trophy."

"He won several in South America."

"South America! Don't make me laugh."

"Let me guess. Does doesn't count?"

"The only thing that counts is points on the board. We should have a hundred by now."

"We've only played 11 league games."

"So? Top managers find ways to get points on the board."

"The max we could have is 33."

"Fine we should have 33. At least."

"Isn't that a bit unrealistic?"

"Unrealistic! Best squad in the league. Best defence two years running. I want, no I DEMAND, improvements. At this rate we won't even finish in the top 4."

"We're only six points off the top of the league."

"Doesn't count. Our games were all easy. Frank Clark could've gotten us to 33 points by now."

"Admit it' you just don't want to give the guy a chance ...."

"What! how dare you. How fucking dare you pal! I .... I ..... I've got more loyalty points than you. And I say he'll win us fuck all. You hear me! FUCK ALL! He's the Chilean David Moyes except Moyes will finish ahead of him cuz at least Moyes can organize a defence."

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Your wrong about Frank Clark, he would have only got 30 points.

 

[kenzie115]

Don't know who's betting on what, but I want in. If one of you is really dumb enough to bet against us making top four, this will be easy money. Screw your Euros though, I'll put $2,500 on us making top 4

flb's your man, he's betting against us making top 4, although he's yet to actually agree to the below bet:

If City finish in the top 4 in the 2013/14 season, flb will donate £100 to the charity of kenzie115's choice.

If City finish outside the top 4, kenzie115 will donate £300 to the charity of flb's choice.

That's just small change to him though, he'll probably be a little more enticed by your $2500.

 

[OB1]

I never denied his abilities in Spain, and his record too in South America is a worthy one. Mugs do not manage River Plate. The point, though, that I am agreeing with him is that Real and Barca are European giants, let alone giants in their own league, and the finishing order can be predicted as each season begins, just as it could in Scotland before the Rangers demise. There will be the odd occasion when another team breaks the mould such as Ferguson did at Aberdeen, but these interruptions never stand the test of time. For this reason, the point made that Real Madrid's defence record not really being valid is a worthy one, although I will accept that Madrid's defence record did markedly improve from Pellegrinis appointment.

But the finishing order in Spain couldn't be predicted when Pellegrini came second with Villareal and, btw he had a very decent defensive record in some of his seasons at Villareal; especially as he didn't have the resources to match Real Madrid.

He had a very good defensive record at Real Madrid; if you and anyone else wants to dismiss it, go ahead but, as people earlier today wanted to point out about City's defensive record, the goals against column is a fact. It was also a goals against record that was appropriate for Real Madrid.

It does make me chuckle.

"He can't organize a defence!"

"He did ok with Madrid, the last top team he managed."

"Doesn't count. Two horse league."

"He finished 2nd with Villareal."

"Doesn't count. They were .... Errr .... They had three good players. Anyway he's never won a trophy."

"He won several in South America."

"South America! Don't make me laugh."

"Let me guess. Does doesn't count?"

"The only thing that counts is points on the board. We should have a hundred by now."

"We've only played 11 league games."

"So? Top managers find ways to get points on the board."

"The max we could have is 33."

"Fine we should have 33. At least."

"Isn't that a bit unrealistic?"

"Unrealistic! Best squad in the league. Best defence two years running. I want, no I DEMAND, improvements. At this rate we won't even finish in the top 4."

"We're only six points off the top of the league."

"Doesn't count. Our games were all easy. Frank Clark could've gotten us to 33 points by now."

"Admit it' you just don't want to give the guy a chance ...."

"What! how dare you. How fucking dare you pal! I .... I ..... I've got more loyalty points than you. And I say he'll win us fuck all. You hear me! FUCK ALL! He's the Chilean David Moyes except Moyes will finish ahead of him cuz at least Moyes can organize a defence."

Wash, rinse, repeat.

I'm more than chuckling.

 

[Skashion]

Don't know who's betting on what, but I want in. If one of you is really dumb enough to bet against us making top four, this will be easy money. Screw your Euros though, I'll put $2,500 on us making top 4

Screw our Euros? Screw your fucking Pesos.

 

[TGR]

But the finishing order in Spain couldn't be predicted when Pellegrini came second with Villareal and, btw he had a very decent defensive record in some of his seasons at Villareal; especially as he didn't have the resources to match Real Madrid.

He had a very good defensive record at Real Madrid; if you and anyone else wants to dismiss it, go ahead but, as people earlier today wanted to point out about City's defensive record, the goals against column is a fact. It was also a goals against record that was appropriate for Real Madrid.

It does make me chuckle.

"He can't organize a defence!"

"He did ok with Madrid, the last top team he managed."

"Doesn't count. Two horse league."

"He finished 2nd with Villareal."

"Doesn't count. They were .... Errr .... They had three good players. Anyway he's never won a trophy."

"He won several in South America."

"South America! Don't make me laugh."

"Let me guess. Does doesn't count?"

"The only thing that counts is points on the board. We should have a hundred by now."

"We've only played 11 league games."

"So? Top managers find ways to get points on the board."

"The max we could have is 33."

"Fine we should have 33. At least."

"Isn't that a bit unrealistic?"

"Unrealistic! Best squad in the league. Best defence two years running. I want, no I DEMAND, improvements. At this rate we won't even finish in the top 4."

"We're only six points off the top of the league."

"Doesn't count. Our games were all easy. Frank Clark could've gotten us to 33 points by now."

"Admit it' you just don't want to give the guy a chance ...."

"What! how dare you. How fucking dare you pal! I .... I ..... I've got more loyalty points than you. And I say he'll win us fuck all. You hear me! FUCK ALL! He's the Chilean David Moyes except Moyes will finish ahead of him cuz at least Moyes can organize a defence."

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Your wrong about Frank Clark, he would have only got 30 points.

I don't know about the Chilean David Moyes comment but more a Chilean Kevin Keegan.
Likes to attack which is honourable but he has the defensive nous of Mark Hughes and the overall
tactical nous of Stuart Pearce. The only difference being is that he has a far more highly talented squad
than the other pair ever had at his disposal.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't know about the Chilean David Moyes comment but more a Chilean Kevin Keegan.
Likes to attack which is honourable buthe has the defensive nous of Mark Hughes and the overall
tactical nous of Stuart Pearce. The only difference being is that he has a far more highly talented squad
than the other pair ever had at his disposal.

Hahahahahaha. Definitely heading for the classics section of the forum this thread is.

 

[cibaman]

I never denied his abilities in Spain, and his record too in South America is a worthy one. Mugs do not manage River Plate. The point, though, that I am agreeing with him is that Real and Barca are European giants, let alone giants in their own league, and the finishing order can be predicted as each season begins, just as it could in Scotland before the Rangers demise. There will be the odd occasion when another team breaks the mould such as Ferguson did at Aberdeen, but these interruptions never stand the test of time. For this reason, the point made that Real Madrid's defence record not really being valid is a worthy one, although I will accept that Madrid's defence record did markedly improve from Pellegrinis appointment.

But the finishing order in Spain couldn't be predicted when Pellegrini came second with Villareal and, btw he had a very decent defensive record in some of his seasons at Villareal; especially as he didn't have the resources to match Real Madrid.

He had a very good defensive record at Real Madrid; if you and anyone else wants to dismiss it, go ahead but, as people earlier today wanted to point out about City's defensive record, the goals against column is a fact. It was also a goals against record that was appropriate for Real Madrid.

It does make me chuckle.

"He can't organize a defence!"

"He did ok with Madrid, the last top team he managed."

"Doesn't count. Two horse league."

"He finished 2nd with Villareal."

"Doesn't count. They were .... Errr .... They had three good players. Anyway he's never won a trophy."

"He won several in South America."

"South America! Don't make me laugh."

"Let me guess. Does doesn't count?"

"The only thing that counts is points on the board. We should have a hundred by now."

"We've only played 11 league games."

"So? Top managers find ways to get points on the board."

"The max we could have is 33."

"Fine we should have 33. At least."

"Isn't that a bit unrealistic?"

"Unrealistic! Best squad in the league. Best defence two years running. I want, no I DEMAND, improvements. At this rate we won't even finish in the top 4."

"We're only six points off the top of the league."

"Doesn't count. Our games were all easy. Frank Clark could've gotten us to 33 points by now."

"Admit it' you just don't want to give the guy a chance ...."

"What! how dare you. How fucking dare you pal! I .... I ..... I've got more loyalty points than you. And I say he'll win us fuck all. You hear me! FUCK ALL! He's the Chilean David Moyes except Moyes will finish ahead of him cuz at least Moyes can organize a defence."

Wash, rinse, repeat.

A good summing up of the standard of much of the debate about this manager, and the last one.

 

[gelly]

Pellegrini should have at least been able to pick up a couple of domestic cups in Spain. He's like another Ranieri not a bad manager but never enough bottle to cross the line. Good enough to get a couple of runners up. He's quite an unlucky manager. Can't quite pass the last step.