Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 4)

[OB1]

@City_Watch
Pellegrini says "individual mistakes" not "tactics" are the reason for City's terrible away form, and that City have had the chances to win.

I thought changing the marking style from Zonal to man to man had cost the club against Cardiff which is a manager mistake.

The choice between zonal marking and man-marking is a matter of taste; there's no absolute right or wrong. What matters is execution of the tactic. I prefer zonal marking at corners but accept that the manager needs to choose whatever he prefers and the players then have to make it work; which by and large they have done.

 

[aguero93:20]

@City_Watch
Pellegrini says "individual mistakes" not "tactics" are the reason for City's terrible away form, and that City have had the chances to win.

I thought changing the marking style from Zonal to man to man had cost the club against Cardiff which is a manager mistake.

The choice between zonal marking and man-marking is a matter of taste; there's no absolute right or wrong. What matters is execution of the tactic. I prefer zonal marking at corners but accept that the manager needs to choose whatever he prefers and the players then have to make it work; which by and large they have done.

zonal marking? ajax last year, van dipshit's goal v arsenal last week in the swamp, it's far from perfect.

 

[OB1]

I thought changing the marking style from Zonal to man to man had cost the club against Cardiff which is a manager mistake.

The choice between zonal marking and man-marking is a matter of taste; there's no absolute right or wrong. What matters is execution of the tactic. I prefer zonal marking at corners but accept that the manager needs to choose whatever he prefers and the players then have to make it work; which by and large they have done.

zonal marking? ajax last year, van dipshit's goal v arsenal last week in the swamp, it's far from perfect.

And?

 

[TGR]

The choice between zonal marking and man-marking is a matter of taste; there's no absolute right or wrong. What matters is execution of the tactic. I prefer zonal marking at corners but accept that the manager needs to choose whatever he prefers and the players then have to make it work; which by and large they have done.

zonal marking? ajax last year, van dipshit's goal v arsenal last week in the swamp, it's far from perfect.

And?

Call me old fashioned but each defender should mark a man then take full responsibility for that man. If the man you mark gets a header in on goal then it's your fault / responsibility. Also every single week you see goals scored due to the very basic fact that the posts haven't been covered. A man on the near and far posts every single time at a corner is a fundamental prerequisite of defending it. Yet week in and week out you see goals conceded that simply should not be scored. Man marking or zonal - it differs not, the defender(s) have to take responsibility. They also need to be coached and drilled until it is just second nature and done without thinking. This I believe is our current problem. Stills lots of uncertainty on who is doing what and when. You do at times wonder what they do practice day in and day out because if they do it doesn't look like it on match days at times that's for sure.

 

[cibaman]

The switch to zonal marking was costly against Cardiff but doesn't seem to have been a problem since.

Perhaps it was more a case of too much change too quickly? Might have been better to work initially on the high line (including some pressing) , get that bedded in and then work on zonal marking.

 

[eversince 76]

zonal marking? ajax last year, van dipshit's goal v arsenal last week in the swamp, it's far from perfect.

And?

Call me old fashioned but each defender should mark a man then take full responsibility for that man. If the man you mark gets a header in on goal then it's your fault / responsibility. Also every single week you see goals scored due to the very basic fact that the posts haven't been covered. A man on the near and far posts every single time at a corner is a fundamental prerequisite of defending it. Yet week in and week out you see goals conceded that simply should not be scored. Man marking or zonal - it differs not, the defender(s) have to take responsibility. They also need to be coached and drilled until it is just second nature and done without thinking. This I believe is our current problem. Stills lots of uncertainty on who is doing what and when. You do at times wonder what they do practice day in and day out because if they do it doesn't look like it on match days at times that's for sure.

Manmarking is indeed old-fashoined. The modern way of football is switch places in every line. Our players seem to do so more often than under Mancini. Furthermore Pellegrini wants to let his team play high upfield home and away. At home our players seem to have the guts to do so; away not everybody does his job meaning you get big gaps between the line and expose what is probably our weakest area: central defence (that is with the absence of Kompany). Playing Silva you immediately have a player who is brilliant at using space between the lines. Sames goes for Fernandinho. So whenever Silva is out, we miss him a lot due to the system Pellegrini wants to drill in. The absence of Kompany is also huge due to the fact that with him the other defenders look more confident to play high up.
We have lost games we didn't deserve to loose, but also did not play as much pressing football as we do in homegames. In these homegames you see what our team can do if they play Pellegrini's way. It's just a matter of time and a bit of luck with injuries to players that within the system really matter.

Just wish people would have a little more trust in Pellegrini just by learning a bit more history about the man and how he managed at Villareal, Malaga and even the one year at Real. We had to fit in 4 new players, a new system under a new manager. Drill out the Mancini-system and learnhow to play Pellegrini's way takes time. New players coming in (especially foreign) take time, unless it's just the one player who comes into a hardly changed team that plays under the same manager for years (i.e. özil and Arsenal).

 

[flb]

And?

Call me old fashioned but each defender should mark a man then take full responsibility for that man. If the man you mark gets a header in on goal then it's your fault / responsibility. Also every single week you see goals scored due to the very basic fact that the posts haven't been covered. A man on the near and far posts every single time at a corner is a fundamental prerequisite of defending it. Yet week in and week out you see goals conceded that simply should not be scored. Man marking or zonal - it differs not, the defender(s) have to take responsibility. They also need to be coached and drilled until it is just second nature and done without thinking. This I believe is our current problem. Stills lots of uncertainty on who is doing what and when. You do at times wonder what they do practice day in and day out because if they do it doesn't look like it on match days at times that's for sure.

Manmarking is indeed old-fashoined. The modern way of football is switch places in every line. Our players seem to do so more often than under Mancini. Furthermore Pellegrini wants to let his team play high upfield home and away. At home our players seem to have the guts to do so; away not everybody does his job meaning you get big gaps between the line and expose what is probably our weakest area: central defence (that is with the absence of Kompany). Playing Silva you immediately have a player who is brilliant at using space between the lines. Sames goes for Fernandinho. So whenever Silva is out, we miss him a lot due to the system Pellegrini wants to drill in. The absence of Kompany is also huge due to the fact that with him the other defenders look more confident to play high up.
We have lost games we didn't deserve to loose, but also did not play as much pressing football as we do in homegames. In these homegames you see what our team can do if they play Pellegrini's way. It's just a matter of time and a bit of luck with injuries to players that within the system really matter.

Just wish people would have a little more trust in Pellegrini just by learning a bit more history about the man and how he managed at Villareal, Malaga and even the one year at Real. We had to fit in 4 new players, a new system under a new manager. Drill out the Mancini-system and learnhow to play Pellegrini's way takes time. New players coming in (especially foreign) take time, unless it's just the one player who comes into a hardly changed team that plays under the same manager for years (i.e. özil and Arsenal).

You make some good points, however is defensive record at Villareal got gradually worse in his 5 seasons at the club-he averages at least 1 goal against in his career at Villareal, at Malaga markedly worse.

The way he sets up his teams we will concede goals so its his tactics rather than the personnel that will see us concede whoever he brings in. Keeping cleans sheets in this league is paramount to mounting a serious title challenge, a lot of managers who come into this league underestimate the quality of competition, la Liga apart from the top two isnt on the same level as the PL.

 

[mancity1]

Call me old fashioned but each defender should mark a man then take full responsibility for that man. If the man you mark gets a header in on goal then it's your fault / responsibility. Also every single week you see goals scored due to the very basic fact that the posts haven't been covered. A man on the near and far posts every single time at a corner is a fundamental prerequisite of defending it. Yet week in and week out you see goals conceded that simply should not be scored. Man marking or zonal - it differs not, the defender(s) have to take responsibility. They also need to be coached and drilled until it is just second nature and done without thinking. This I believe is our current problem. Stills lots of uncertainty on who is doing what and when. You do at times wonder what they do practice day in and day out because if they do it doesn't look like it on match days at times that's for sure.

Manmarking is indeed old-fashoined. The modern way of football is switch places in every line. Our players seem to do so more often than under Mancini. Furthermore Pellegrini wants to let his team play high upfield home and away. At home our players seem to have the guts to do so; away not everybody does his job meaning you get big gaps between the line and expose what is probably our weakest area: central defence (that is with the absence of Kompany). Playing Silva you immediately have a player who is brilliant at using space between the lines. Sames goes for Fernandinho. So whenever Silva is out, we miss him a lot due to the system Pellegrini wants to drill in. The absence of Kompany is also huge due to the fact that with him the other defenders look more confident to play high up.
We have lost games we didn't deserve to loose, but also did not play as much pressing football as we do in homegames. In these homegames you see what our team can do if they play Pellegrini's way. It's just a matter of time and a bit of luck with injuries to players that within the system really matter.

Just wish people would have a little more trust in Pellegrini just by learning a bit more history about the man and how he managed at Villareal, Malaga and even the one year at Real. We had to fit in 4 new players, a new system under a new manager. Drill out the Mancini-system and learnhow to play Pellegrini's way takes time. New players coming in (especially foreign) take time, unless it's just the one player who comes into a hardly changed team that plays under the same manager for years (i.e. özil and Arsenal).

You make some good points, however is defensive record at Villareal got gradually worse in his 5 seasons at the club-he averages at least 1 goal against in his career at Villareal, at Malaga markedly worse.

The way he sets up his teams we will concede goals so its his tactics rather than the personnel that will see us concede whoever he brings in. Keeping cleans sheets in this league is paramount to mounting a serious title challenge, a lot of managers who come into this league underestimate the quality of competition, la Liga apart from the top two isnt on the same level as the PL.

The side that keeps the most clean sheets is often the side that wins the premiership or finishes a close second.

4 clean sheets from eleven games ( 3 at home against Newcastle , Norwich and Hull ) won't cut it for a title if the trend continues.

 

[Bluesiam]

la Liga apart from the top two isnt on the same level as the PL.

You might want to make that at least 3 this year.

 

[Ray78]

Manmarking is indeed old-fashoined. The modern way of football is switch places in every line. Our players seem to do so more often than under Mancini. Furthermore Pellegrini wants to let his team play high upfield home and away. At home our players seem to have the guts to do so; away not everybody does his job meaning you get big gaps between the line and expose what is probably our weakest area: central defence (that is with the absence of Kompany). Playing Silva you immediately have a player who is brilliant at using space between the lines. Sames goes for Fernandinho. So whenever Silva is out, we miss him a lot due to the system Pellegrini wants to drill in. The absence of Kompany is also huge due to the fact that with him the other defenders look more confident to play high up.
We have lost games we didn't deserve to loose, but also did not play as much pressing football as we do in homegames. In these homegames you see what our team can do if they play Pellegrini's way. It's just a matter of time and a bit of luck with injuries to players that within the system really matter.

Just wish people would have a little more trust in Pellegrini just by learning a bit more history about the man and how he managed at Villareal, Malaga and even the one year at Real. We had to fit in 4 new players, a new system under a new manager. Drill out the Mancini-system and learnhow to play Pellegrini's way takes time. New players coming in (especially foreign) take time, unless it's just the one player who comes into a hardly changed team that plays under the same manager for years (i.e. özil and Arsenal).

You make some good points, however is defensive record at Villareal got gradually worse in his 5 seasons at the club-he averages at least 1 goal against in his career at Villareal, at Malaga markedly worse.

The way he sets up his teams we will concede goals so its his tactics rather than the personnel that will see us concede whoever he brings in. Keeping cleans sheets in this league is paramount to mounting a serious title challenge, a lot of managers who come into this league underestimate the quality of competition, la Liga apart from the top two isnt on the same level as the PL.

The side that keeps the most clean sheets is often the side that wins the premiership or finishes a close second.

4 clean sheets from eleven games ( 3 at home against Newcastle , Norwich and Hull ) won't cut it for a title if the trend continues.

We don't have our first choice centre backs playing at this present time and have used 7 different combinations.......