Discuss Pellegrini

[blueinsa]

This isn't Barca though is it with all due respect.

We are a football club and a business exactly the same as Barca and the way they evolved that club both on and off the field is the way Mansour wants us to evolve going forward.

Dont see the problem with that tbh fella.

Serious question pal-How long do you give the manager? Let's just say the worse case scenario happens this week. I honestly believe the powers that be will consider sacking him.

I will judge come xmas but agree that the next 2 games are crucial.

He wont get sacked though fella until they have the man they want for the future which wont be for a year or 2 imo.

He is not a long term appointment, rather a safe pair of hands happy to work within the structure, something Bob wasn't and the reason why he went imo.

Bobs record was excellent make n mistake but he refused to work with Txiki and made that very public which was his prerogative of course but ultimately his downfall.

I know you wont agree with that structure but its the way forward and with the next few years you will see a D of F at virtually every PL club as its seen as the way forward.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I would also go on to say that limiting tensions on here also extends to people not taking things out of context, which can easily happen when emotions are running high.

Not just you, Skash, btw :-)

 

[ojeme]

Imho MP is perfoming below par so far & it all started from the transfer window period. Jovetic, Negredo & Navas are good buys no doubt but when he opted out of a potential willian deal i thought he did himself real disservice. For all the criticisms against Silva i still think he's not playing where his strenghts are accentuated the most - no 10 role - a left sided attacking midfielder has got to have a good dose of strength, pace & style as well as ability to be wingers and attacking midfielders as occaision demands and you'd agree with me that silva does not exactly fit the bill & that's why he struggles to bring on that spark a number of times. Look at ribery & muller (left & right) for bayern as well as reus & blazyschoski for dortmund and you'll grasp my point. Even if it meant selling Nasri to get someone of Willian's ilk i thought it was going to be worth it.yesterdays draw was another example of his tactical flaws. He used milner & nasri as the guys to offer creative help for d strikers but they did next to nothing creatively & that was the most evident problem in that match. I expected him to bring navas much earlier than he did. We can only be glad that we didn't lose. However, the boss has got to step up his game.

 

[BlueRockape]

A point and a clean sheet at Stoke would've been good enough under Mancini, what's the difference?

A point and a clean sheet is, well, a point and a clean sheet?

I promised myself to not get drawn in to this comparison shit but fuck it I'm joining in.

I tend to take a more long term view than just looking at one off results in isolation, and in my opinion, our performance level has gone backwards this season. We've taken a squad that finished second, added 90m worth of talent, upgraded our manager (alledgedly), had a particularly friendly batch of opening fixtures, and yet the performance level has dropped. I'd expect to see debate on here about that, and I'm surprised that some people are surprised that it's happening. Sack the manager? Well no we're nowhere near there yet, but doubts about his appointment? I'd say that's fair enough.

I would say fukin great post

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

I think the snag is the 4 teams we've played and the "improvements" we've made in both the playing staff and the management.

so far it doesn't bode well.

Agree, and I don't see why it shouldn't be discussed either. Not all of us showing concern had a "mancrush" with mancini. His time was up, it wasn't handled great, but it was definitely up.

+1

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

Serious question pal-How long do you give the manager? Let's just say the worse case scenario happens this week. I honestly believe the powers that be will consider sacking him.

Don't be ridiculous.

Why is that ridiculous Cleavers?
We could realistically be 8 pts behind the leaders next week if the dippers win on Monday and next weekend?
If - and yes it is a big if - that happens then progression has become regression-of that there is no doubt and the voices of discontent will become louser and louder. The pressure will grow on the manager and team.

 

[Danamy]

This isn't Barca though is it with all due respect.

We are a football club and a business exactly the same as Barca and the way they evolved that club both on and off the field is the way Mansour wants us to evolve going forward.

Dont see the problem with that tbh fella.

Serious question pal-How long do you give the manager? Let's just say the worse case scenario happens this week. I honestly believe the powers that be will consider sacking him.

Are you high?

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

This thread is fucking cringeworthy. He's had 4 games, we drew today, with no Kompany, No Silva, Aguero was only fit enough for the bench, Yaya's moved deeper to spread the ball about. Even if were miles off top spot come Christmas Pelle deserves at least the season. On Mancini it was the right time for him to go.

got to admit mate we are fucking dire. there is nothing and I mean nothing to say that we'll finish in the top half of the table. we ARE that poor.

With no Kompany, no Silva and Aguero only fit enough for the bench. Come May I'll bump this post. I wasn't 100% in favor of appointing Pelle but he DESERVES at least a season. As many trophies as Chelsea have won since Roman took over I believe that they would have won more if the managers had been giving more time(namely Carlo and RDM.) This is the first time since ever that I'm confident we'll win the league, still think Chelsea will win it by at least 8 points though.

 

[dxb-blue]

Or may be just an idiot?

A Blue with a different opinion...must be an idiot?
Like many have already stated, so far we have seen absolutely nothing from our new Manager where he has effected the games we are struggling in. Continuing to play Garcia at CB is a classic example.

I'll tell you why you are an idiot. 'The Spaniards wanted a 'yes man'? How the fuck do you know if he's a 'yes man' or not. You dont. Id rather stick was a manager with experience than some herbert on Bluemoon who's pissing his pants because we havent won four games in a row.


I never said sack our manager after 4 games, referring to Guss Hiddink was merely a reference to an earlier post where some-one asked who was available other than Mancini at this moment in time.
We all want him to succeed, but at the same time we are allowed an opinion.
As for him being a "yes man", this is my opinion based on the actions and words of the two barca guys.
1. The treatment of Mancini (a manager that had won the PL a year.
2. Spouting of some BS management speak of "holistic approaches", when in my opinion.....winning mentality is the key requirement for our football club.





Oh and the fact that you mention Moyes? Please explain why the 'jokes on us'.

4 games in and you want a new manager? As I said, idiot.

 

[gio's side step]

A point and a clean sheet at Stoke would've been good enough under Mancini, what's the difference?

A point and a clean sheet is, well, a point and a clean sheet?

I promised myself to not get drawn in to this comparison shit but fuck it I'm joining in.

I tend to take a more long term view than just looking at one off results in isolation, and in my opinion, our performance level has gone backwards this season. We've taken a squad that finished second, added 90m worth of talent, upgraded our manager (alledgedly), had a particularly friendly batch of opening fixtures, and yet the performance level has dropped. I'd expect to see debate on here about that, and I'm surprised that some people are surprised that it's happening. Sack the manager? Well no we're nowhere near there yet, but doubts about his appointment? I'd say that's fair enough.

I would say fukin great post

As would I. Sums it up perfectly

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

We are a football club and a business exactly the same as Barca and the way they evolved that club both on and off the field is the way Mansour wants us to evolve going forward.

Dont see the problem with that tbh fella.

Serious question pal-How long do you give the manager? Let's just say the worse case scenario happens this week. I honestly believe the powers that be will consider sacking him.

Are you high?

only on life mate

 

[Ducado]

This thread is fucking cringeworthy. He's had 4 games, we drew today, with no Kompany, No Silva, Aguero was only fit enough for the bench, Yaya's moved deeper to spread the ball about. Even if were miles off top spot come Christmas Pelle deserves at least the season. On Mancini it was the right time for him to go.

got to admit mate we are fucking dire. there is nothing and I mean nothing to say that we'll finish in the top half of the table. we ARE that poor.

With no Kompany, no Silva and Aguero only fit enough for the bench. Come May I'll bump this post. I wasn't 100% in favor of appointing Pelle but he DESERVES at least a season. As many trophies as Chelsea have won since Roman took over I believe that they would have won more if the managers had been giving more time(namely Carlo and RDM.) This is the first time since ever that I'm confident we'll win the league, still think Chelsea will win it by at least 8 points though.

I think there will be a lot of red faces come the end of the season

 

[robbieh]

If we were playing this poorly but there was some discernible change in playing style then I think there would be far less angst on here. The problem is that we basically are playing Mancini football but not as well as when managed by Roberto.

The only slight change that was obvious to me is that in the Newcastle game we threw in a few more long diagonal balls. Hardly rocket science.
As I have said before when Roberto started it was obvious from day one what he was trying to do. Overnight the previously shambolic defending was eradicated, we became organized, something we had not been for many years,

What our new manager is trying to do I have no idea.

Many harp on about last season being bad. But for me the cup semi final against Chelsea was City at their best. First 45 minutes we played the eventual Europa League winners off the park. And these were the players who hated Mancini.

Like many others I am worried about the United game despite the fact they are not playing well themselves. The new man does not exude a quiet strength to me. He looks like a guy caught in the headlights.

I suppose time will tell. At least he's not up against Ferguson.

 

[Danamy]

A point and a clean sheet at Stoke would've been good enough under Mancini, what's the difference?

A point and a clean sheet is, well, a point and a clean sheet?

I promised myself to not get drawn in to this comparison shit but fuck it I'm joining in.

I tend to take a more long term view than just looking at one off results in isolation, and in my opinion, our performance level has gone backwards this season. We've taken a squad that finished second, added 90m worth of talent, upgraded our manager (alledgedly), had a particularly friendly batch of opening fixtures, and yet the performance level has dropped. I'd expect to see debate on here about that, and I'm surprised that some people are surprised that it's happening. Sack the manager? Well no we're nowhere near there yet, but doubts about his appointment? I'd say that's fair enough.

If you're looking for a long term view on things, some people doubted Kompany when he first signed without giving him a chance to settle, different scenario, but just saying.............

 

[stonerblue]

The Owners wanted City to progress in Europe, which unfortunately Mancini had failed at Inter and was repeating the same at City. The new boys from Barca wanted a "yes man", who would allow them to get on with their jobs and ensure their influence was not challenged.
Enter Pellegrini.
We all laughed at the Scum taking on Moyes (never won anything etc)....looks like the joke is on us now.

As for who is available....I think a certain Mr. Guus Hiddick is available - a manager with a winning mentality and can offer a "hostic" approach aswell.

What's up? Is rag cafe down?

Absolutely no way on earth you are a City fan

definite smelly rag, and if not, just a ........................

 

[hgblue]

A point and a clean sheet at Stoke would've been good enough under Mancini, what's the difference?

A point and a clean sheet is, well, a point and a clean sheet?

I promised myself to not get drawn in to this comparison shit but fuck it I'm joining in.

I tend to take a more long term view than just looking at one off results in isolation, and in my opinion, our performance level has gone backwards this season. We've taken a squad that finished second, added 90m worth of talent, upgraded our manager (alledgedly), had a particularly friendly batch of opening fixtures, and yet the performance level has dropped. I'd expect to see debate on here about that, and I'm surprised that some people are surprised that it's happening. Sack the manager? Well no we're nowhere near there yet, but doubts about his appointment? I'd say that's fair enough.

If you're looking for a long term view on things, some people doubted Kompany when he first signed without giving him a chance to settle, different scenario, but just saying.............

For the record, I've always rated Kompany, and the only players, from memory, that I've never rated are Garcia and Sinclair. The problem with having an opinion is that it can come back to bite you on the arse I suppose, but to be honest, I'm only voicing concerns that are surely shared by the vast majority of blues at the moment? I'm not calling for the manager to be sacked, and I retain the hope that it's early days and he will come good given time, but I'm worried and I don't mind admitting it.

 

[bluedreaming]

got to admit mate we are fucking dire. there is nothing and I mean nothing to say that we'll finish in the top half of the table. we ARE that poor.

With no Kompany, no Silva and Aguero only fit enough for the bench. Come May I'll bump this post. I wasn't 100% in favor of appointing Pelle but he DESERVES at least a season. As many trophies as Chelsea have won since Roman took over I believe that they would have won more if the managers had been giving more time(namely Carlo and RDM.) This is the first time since ever that I'm confident we'll win the league, still think Chelsea will win it by at least 8 points though.

I think there will be a lot of red faces come the end of the season

i agree we have injuries but we have a top squad and what won Taggart the title last season, was the fact he could use his squad better than us.
No way are United players better than ours but if we are to go forward this is the part of Pellegrini's work he has to get right.
I back him with his team selection yesterday but the players have to be strong enough to bring their "A" game every time they are called upon.
we cant have Kompany Silva etc playing 60+ games this season if we progress in all competitions that madness<br /><br />-- Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:28 am --<br /><br />

got to admit mate we are fucking dire. there is nothing and I mean nothing to say that we'll finish in the top half of the table. we ARE that poor.

With no Kompany, no Silva and Aguero only fit enough for the bench. Come May I'll bump this post. I wasn't 100% in favor of appointing Pelle but he DESERVES at least a season. As many trophies as Chelsea have won since Roman took over I believe that they would have won more if the managers had been giving more time(namely Carlo and RDM.) This is the first time since ever that I'm confident we'll win the league, still think Chelsea will win it by at least 8 points though.

I think there will be a lot of red faces come the end of the season

i agree we have injuries but we have a top squad and what won Taggart the title last season, was the fact he could use his squad better than us.
No way are United players better than ours but if we are to go forward this is the part of Pellegrini's work he has to get right.
I back him with his team selection yesterday but the players have to be strong enough to bring their "A" game every time they are called upon.
we cant have Kompany Silva etc playing 60+ games this season if we progress in all competitions that madness

 

[Nascent Blues]

If we were playing this poorly but there was some discernible change in playing style then I think there would be far less angst on here. The problem is that we basically are playing Mancini football but not as well as when managed by Roberto.

The only slight change that was obvious to me is that in the Newcastle game we threw in a few more long diagonal balls. Hardly rocket science.
As I have said before when Roberto started it was obvious from day one what he was trying to do. Overnight the previously shambolic defending was eradicated, we became organized, something we had not been for many years,

What our new manager is trying to do I have no idea.

Many harp on about last season being bad. But for me the cup semi final against Chelsea was City at their best. First 45 minutes we played the eventual Europa League winners off the park. And these were the players who hated Mancini.

Like many others I am worried about the United game despite the fact they are not playing well themselves. The new man does not exude a quiet strength to me. He looks like a guy caught in the headlights.

I suppose time will tell. At least he's not up against Ferguson.

Even with Kompany out, our defensive performances to date (last three games) haven't exactly filled me with confidence. I am aware we didn't concede yesterday, and I'll happily wolf down however many dollops of fortune Lady Luck decides to lavish our way this season, but the defensive stability we had enjoyed under Mancini has deteriorated quite dramatically for me.

 

[marco]

The Owners wanted City to progress in Europe, which unfortunately Mancini had failed at Inter and was repeating the same at City. The new boys from Barca wanted a "yes man", who would allow them to get on with their jobs and ensure their influence was not challenged.
Enter Pellegrini.
We all laughed at the Scum taking on Moyes (never won anything etc)....looks like the joke is on us now.

As for who is available....I think a certain Mr. Guus Hiddick is available - a manager with a winning mentality and can offer a "hostic" approach aswell.

What's up? Is rag cafe down?

Absolutely no way on earth you are a City fan

definite smelly rag, and if not, just a ........................

tbh if you take your blue tinted specs off 'just like me' and digest the post he does make some good points

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Anyone who thinks a team can start playing a new way in an instant are seriously lacking any working brain cells...

Played 4, had 3 clean sheets even with a dodgy CB pairing, scored more goals than any other team and guess what we are still not in top gear yet.

Give the lads a chance and give your support not your criticism.

Think the problem is, when Bob took over from Hughes we saw something different.

In an instant too.
The Newcastle game aside we haven't even seen any huffing and puffing.
Let's hope we see something of the 'new way' on Tuesday. Something that makes us sit up and think. Something that has us saying 'ah right, that's what its all about'.