Discuss Pellegrini....

[SrilankanBlue]

pelle is a top class manager like bobby was a top class manager,like the players we buy are mostly top class ,as a club we don't do average anymore,lets enjoy the ride

exactly this.

that said can you imagine what jose would do with our squad. 10 points clear at least.

And would David Silva be our 'Mata'! Jose has man-management qualities that are but the slightest improvement in Mancini's. What Pellegrini has achieved in half a season with the 'team' is what Mancini never achieved in the best part of three seasons.

I'm pretty sure that would be the case, I don't think Jose would consider him a "Mourinho player" the twat

 

[samharris]

Forgive me for speaking for OB1 - I think his point is that irrespective of what the perceived weaknesses were in the team selected - it was still a team which was more than capable of beating Watford comfortably. The fact they didn't and the manager had to make substitutions doesn't automatically mean that the original team selection was wrong. Just that the players didn't perform to anything approaching the standard required.

So when we perform poorly these days its no longer the managers fault?

Now thats the sort of thing that causes trouble.. please desist ;)

 

[blueinsa]

Forgive me for speaking for OB1 - I think his point is that irrespective of what the perceived weaknesses were in the team selected - it was still a team which was more than capable of beating Watford comfortably. The fact they didn't and the manager had to make substitutions doesn't automatically mean that the original team selection was wrong. Just that the players didn't perform to anything approaching the standard required.

So when we perform poorly these days its no longer the managers fault?

We won 4-2 thanks to Pellegrini and his tactical changes.

Nothing wrong with the side he picked, nothing. Attitude and work rate was the issue first half along with a Watford side with nothing to lose going gung-ho against us and committing a hell of a lot of players forward which was a surprise.

He changed the attitude at half time, made a couple of tactical changes and won us the game, exactly what you want a manager to do.

 

[hgblue]

exactly this.

that said can you imagine what jose would do with our squad. 10 points clear at least.

And would David Silva be our 'Mata'! Jose has man-management qualities that are but the slightest improvement in Mancini's. What Pellegrini has achieved in half a season with the 'team' is what Mancini never achieved in the best part of three seasons.

I'm pretty sure that would be the case, I don't think Jose would consider him a "Mourinho player" the twat

What does Mourinho know eh?

In ten seasons of club management, including an eight-month sabbatical in 2007–08, Mourinho has led his club to win its domestic league seven times, the UEFA Champions League twice and the UEFA Cup once. Between 2003 and 2012, Mourinho did not go a single calendar year without winning at least one trophy.

Porto (2002–2004)
Primeira Liga (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
Taça de Portugal (1): 2002–03
Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira (1): 2003
UEFA Champions League (1): 2003–04
UEFA Cup (1): 2002–03
Chelsea (2004–2007)
Premier League (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
FA Cup (1): 2006–07
Football League Cup (2): 2004–05, 2006–07
FA Community Shield (1): 2005
Internazionale (2008–2010)
Serie A (2): 2008–09, 2009–10
Coppa Italia (1): 2009–10
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2008
UEFA Champions League (1): 2009–10
Real Madrid (2010–2013)
La Liga (1): 2011–12
Copa del Rey (1): 2010–11
Supercopa de España (1): 2012

What a twat.

 

[taconinja]

Richards doesn't suit what we do tactically now. Maybe with game time he will, but you would think he would pick up on something in training.

Both Lescott and Demichelis are great lieutenants to Kompany's captaincy. Neither of them seem to be the leader for the back line.

I don't really see the problem with what PMS has said especially as you don't rely on past years' performances to determine the present.

Forgive me for speaking for OB1 - I think his point is that irrespective of what the perceived weaknesses were in the team selected - it was still a team which was more than capable of beating Watford comfortably. The fact they didn't and the manager had to make substitutions doesn't automatically mean that the original team selection was wrong. Just that the players didn't perform to anything approaching the standard required.

Nothing to forgive ;-)

Let me add that Richards not suiting how we want to play is not a view a that I subscribe to to any great extent. Richards may ultimately come up short and has been overtaken by Zab but before his injuries, he was helping City concede the fewest goals and getting forward and creating chances for his team mates, he started our title winning season with a host of assists. He should be capable of doing a decent job for us against a Championship side.

I have no great argument with the idea that the players should have shown more determination in the first half.

Your second point, however, is what I meant about past performances. Two years ago, he played well. That's no way to determine if he will play well now. So far, he's been positionally inept and making incredibly incorrect runs forward in relation to his midfield partner. Can that be corrected? Of course, but Richards often seems much more willing to complain about being asked to do something not 100% in his comfort zone than he does attempting to alter his style of play.

 

[Puppet Master Silva]

Pellers substitutions yesterday were top notch, although he definitely got the selection wrong in the first place. Micah, Dimi and Lescott in the same defence is just asking for trouble. I looked at the bench yesterday and couldn't think of anything aside from Fernan on for Rodders, Jovetic on for Dzeko and Vinny on for anyone for a bit of leadership. He changed the game completely with his tactical shuffle and Watford barely got out of their half, the gap in class between Zabba and Micah is worryingly evident now by the way. I tip my hat to The Engineer yesterday because he got it wrong but still managed to put it right.

MANUEL PELLIGRINI, PELLIGRINI WOOOOOAH! (I'd quite like this to become a thing as I saw someone had posted it on another thread).

I also wonder how long this thread gets beforw the usual suspects revert to petty point scoring and childish insults.

That really is asking for trouble, playing two England internationals who were half of a title winning defence and an Argentine international that has won the German title together against a Championship side.

Shit, I didn't realise we were playing 3 years ago, my bad mate.

 

[Bill]

Forgive me for speaking for OB1 - I think his point is that irrespective of what the perceived weaknesses were in the team selected - it was still a team which was more than capable of beating Watford comfortably. The fact they didn't and the manager had to make substitutions doesn't automatically mean that the original team selection was wrong. Just that the players didn't perform to anything approaching the standard required.

So when we perform poorly these days its no longer the managers fault?

are you joking? if this season goes tits up it'll be the shit players bob left him with. a bit like wee davy over the road.

 

[SrilankanBlue]

And would David Silva be our 'Mata'! Jose has man-management qualities that are but the slightest improvement in Mancini's. What Pellegrini has achieved in half a season with the 'team' is what Mancini never achieved in the best part of three seasons.

I'm pretty sure that would be the case, I don't think Jose would consider him a "Mourinho player" the twat

What does Mourinho know eh?

In ten seasons of club management, including an eight-month sabbatical in 2007–08, Mourinho has led his club to win its domestic league seven times, the UEFA Champions League twice and the UEFA Cup once. Between 2003 and 2012, Mourinho did not go a single calendar year without winning at least one trophy.

Porto (2002–2004)
Primeira Liga (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
Taça de Portugal (1): 2002–03
Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira (1): 2003
UEFA Champions League (1): 2003–04
UEFA Cup (1): 2002–03
Chelsea (2004–2007)
Premier League (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
FA Cup (1): 2006–07
Football League Cup (2): 2004–05, 2006–07
FA Community Shield (1): 2005
Internazionale (2008–2010)
Serie A (2): 2008–09, 2009–10
Coppa Italia (1): 2009–10
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2008
UEFA Champions League (1): 2009–10
Real Madrid (2010–2013)
La Liga (1): 2011–12
Copa del Rey (1): 2010–11
Supercopa de España (1): 2012

What a twat.

His methods are successful, Never gonna deny it, that doesn't mean I ever want his methods anywhere near our Club and thankfully our management agrees.

 

[Anonymous]

Your second point, however, is what I meant about past performances. Two years ago, he played well. That's no way to determine if he will play well now. So far, he's been positionally inept and making incredibly incorrect runs forward in relation to his midfield partner. Can that be corrected? Of course, but Richards often seems much more willing to complain about being asked to do something not 100% in his comfort zone than he does attempting to alter his style of play.

I just don't think Micah's progressed enough as a footballer in the last three or four years. In many respects our more disciplined style of football under Mancini allowed Micah's weaknesses to be better protected, but we've seen a few times this season that he isn't smart enough to play the way Pellegrini wants us to.

It's a stark contrast to Zaba. Someone who had as many weaknesses as Micah when he first came to the club, but has improved enormously in the ensuing years.

I can see OB's point though - ultimately the manager has to rotate his players when we have so many competitions to play in. It may well be that Pellegrini knows certain players probably aren't good enough, particularly when playing together, but the others need their rest.

The way I see it, had we lost yesterday, there'd be justified cause for complaint. However the fact that we didn't, and managed to get away with playing a lot of squad players, should be seen as good management.

For the record, I thought Pellegrini's decision to play Kun and Negredo on Wednesday was an aberration, compounded by Negredo's subsequent injury. Proper dropped bollock.

 

[taconinja]

Your second point, however, is what I meant about past performances. Two years ago, he played well. That's no way to determine if he will play well now. So far, he's been positionally inept and making incredibly incorrect runs forward in relation to his midfield partner. Can that be corrected? Of course, but Richards often seems much more willing to complain about being asked to do something not 100% in his comfort zone than he does attempting to alter his style of play.

I just don't think Micah's progressed enough as a footballer in the last three or four years. In many respects our more disciplined style of football under Mancini allowed Micah's weaknesses to be better protected, but we've seen a few times this season that he isn't smart enough to play the way Pellegrini wants us to.

It's a stark contrast to Zaba. Someone who had as many weaknesses as Micah when he first came to the club, but has improved enormously in the ensuing years.

I can see OB's point though - ultimately the manager has to rotate his players when we have so many competitions to play in. It may well be that Pellegrini knows certain players probably aren't good enough, particularly when playing together, but the others need their rest.

The way I see it, had we lost yesterday, there'd be justified cause for complaint. However the fact that we didn't, and managed to get away with playing a lot of squad players, should be seen as good management.

For the record, I thought Pellegrini's decision to play Kun and Negredo on Wednesday was an aberration, compounded by Negredo's subsequent injury. Proper dropped bollock.

I feel this is where our real summer work has to occur encompassing both the academy and transfers. If it's a starter we're looking for, perhaps CB to partner Kompany, but it's that second tier which needs strengthening.