Discuss Pellegrini....

[supercity88]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini

all the side needs now is tinkering at the back, we are conceding a few to many imo this is shadowed by the amount we score so its not really highlighted, im sure MP knows this so nothing else to add

We are only conceding too many, if the other team gets the same or more than us, currently they're not. I love it, football is all about goals, I can't see enough, even if the odd one or two in every six goes in our net, would I like 6-0 every game ? Yep probably, but do I dislike 4-2's and 6-3's ? No.

Opposition teams now have no idea whether to stick or twist, even the better ones, and that is fantastic for us, because we just know that we can keep playing this way.

The biggest thing we have now is not our attacking, its our desire to win, and win well. Its everywhere in the team.

Someone posted earlier today that Zab wasn't up to his normal self last night, which I thought was wrong, coming out of the game I considered him as one of my candidates for man of the match, I've watched a replay this afternoon, and I still think he was in out best 3 players yesterday. I suspect his average position on the pitch was further forward than Navas the winger, this to some is a negative, not for me, its a huge positive, it means the other teams left back, and left midfield are the ones having a shit night, in spurs case last night, a very shit night.

Can't wait for the next game myself, its the best time I've ever had watching City, and that includes the Bell, Lee, Summerbee years.

I disagree with you there, Navas should be further forward than Zabaleta. He is still a defender and at times he committed himself too far forward and left space at the back, I thought Clichy was better because he times his runs perfectly and knew when to push forward and when not to. Fortunately for Zabba he had Navas' pace to recover the lost ground and Fernandinho's awareness. Zabaleta was still good don't get me wrong, but I felt he was a little bit too advanced at times when it was 11v11. I am being picky, and harsh I know. It really isn't worth discussing, but from my point of view this is something that concerned me because we have tough games coming up where it will be exploited. Pellegrini may give different instructions when Messi and co come to town.<br /><br />-- Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:07 am --<br /><br />

all the side needs now is tinkering at the back, we are conceding a few to many imo this is shadowed by the amount we score so its not really highlighted, im sure MP knows this so nothing else to add

We are only conceding too many, if the other team gets the same or more than us, currently they're not. I love it, football is all about goals, I can't see enough, even if the odd one or two in every six goes in our net, would I like 6-0 every game ? Yep probably, but do I dislike 4-2's and 6-3's ? No.

Opposition teams now have no idea whether to stick or twist, even the better ones, and that is fantastic for us, because we just know that we can keep playing this way.

The biggest thing we have now is not our attacking, its our desire to win, and win well. Its everywhere in the team.

Someone posted earlier today that Zab wasn't up to his normal self last night, which I thought was wrong, coming out of the game I considered him as one of my candidates for man of the match, I've watched a replay this afternoon, and I still think he was in out best 3 players yesterday. I suspect his average position on the pitch was further forward than Navas the winger, this to some is a negative, not for me, its a huge positive, it means the other teams left back, and left midfield are the ones having a shit night, in spurs case last night, a very shit night.

Can't wait for the next game myself, its the best time I've ever had watching City, and that includes the Bell, Lee, Summerbee years.

I disagree with you there, Navas should be further forward than Zabaleta. He is still a defender and at times he committed himself too far forward and left space at the back, I thought Clichy was better because he times his runs perfectly and knew when to push forward and when not to. Fortunately for Zabba he had Navas' pace to recover the lost ground and Fernandinho's awareness. Zabaleta was still good don't get me wrong, but I felt he was a little bit too advanced at times when it was 11v11. I am being picky, and harsh I know. It really isn't worth discussing, but from my point of view this is something that concerned me because we have tough games coming up where it will be exploited. Pellegrini may give different instructions when Messi and co come to town.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini....u

Loved his pressed today.

Media savvy is the biggest understatement ever.

Ice cool.

 

[baildon blue]

The blokes brilliant . Lets hope he can give Mourinho a good thrashing on Monday . That would be perfect .

 

[C Velz]

The defence clearly needs some changes. Your team may get away with these high-scoring victories against smaller and average teams, but against the top teams in the Champions League your defence will get exposed and your attack won't be as dominant.

Bayern for example demolished City at the Etihad earlier this year; if Pellegrini and co. are actively gunning for the quadruple and putting everything on the line in the four competitions, the defence will need to tighten up. You won't see high-scoring ties in the knock-out stages of the Champions League, and Barça (amongst others) can give as good as they can take.

 

[Bill]

The defence clearly needs some changes. Your team may get away with these high-scoring victories against smaller and average teams, but against the top teams in the Champions League your defence will get exposed and your attack won't be as dominant.

Bayern for example demolished City at the Etihad earlier this year; if Pellegrini and co. are actively gunning for the quadruple and putting everything on the line in the four competitions, the defence will need to tighten up. You won't see high-scoring ties in the knock-out stages of the Champions League, and Barça (amongst others) can give as good as they can take.

agreed.

 

[Davs 19]

He's still doing rather well. I'm very pleased. He can stay for a while longer.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

He's definitely been helped by not losing players to the African Nations Cup this winter. All in all things have worked out very well for the boss so far.

 

[George Hannah]

I just hope he's not wearing that stupid grin in the the next PC after tonight.

 

[Ducado]

The defence clearly needs some changes. Your team may get away with these high-scoring victories against smaller and average teams, but against the top teams in the Champions League your defence will get exposed and your attack won't be as dominant.

Bayern for example demolished City at the Etihad earlier this year; if Pellegrini and co. are actively gunning for the quadruple and putting everything on the line in the four competitions, the defence will need to tighten up. You won't see high-scoring ties in the knock-out stages of the Champions League, and Barça (amongst others) can give as good as they can take.

It's great when some random bloke cares to advise one of the best managers in the world about how to do his job, and point out strengths and weaknesses I am sure he appreciates it

 

[Bodicoteblue]

The defence clearly needs some changes. Your team may get away with these high-scoring victories against smaller and average teams, but against the top teams in the Champions League your defence will get exposed and your attack won't be as dominant.

Bayern for example demolished City at the Etihad earlier this year; if Pellegrini and co. are actively gunning for the quadruple and putting everything on the line in the four competitions, the defence will need to tighten up. You won't see high-scoring ties in the knock-out stages of the Champions League, and Barça (amongst others) can give as good as they can take.

Bayern v Barca was pretty high scoring as I remember !
It is an interesting gamble though . If you have a defence that the opposition think they can get at then that is what they are likely to do , thus leaving space for our pacy counters - see City v arse , spurs etc this season . Our best results have come from games where teams have thought that any perceived weakness at the back gave them an opportunity to score against us , and they have - only we've scored many more on counters.

 

[C Velz]

It's great when some random bloke cares to advise one of the best managers in the world about how to do his job, and point out strengths and weaknesses I am sure he appreciates it

I don't think Pellegrini reads this forum, so he probably won't appreciate "advice" that is given to him on here.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

It's great when some random bloke cares to advise one of the best managers in the world about how to do his job, and point out strengths and weaknesses I am sure he appreciates it

I don't think Pellegrini reads this forum, so he probably won't appreciate "advice" that is given to him on here.

So why do you think WE need your advice then. We can't change anything.

 

[C Velz]

Bayern v Barca was pretty high scoring as I remember !
It is an interesting gamble though . If you have a defence that the opposition think they can get at then that is what they are likely to do , thus leaving space for our pacy counters - see City v arse , spurs etc this season . Our best results have come from games where teams have thought that any perceived weakness at the back gave them an opportunity to score against us , and they have - only we've scored many more on counters.

It was a one-sided affair because one team was poorly coached and had no attacking threat whereas the other was well-drilled and were clearly dominant in every facet of play. It wasn't one of those "goal-fests" like the Arsenal-Liverpool tie from a few years back.

There's a huge difference between league matches and knock-out ties. Some players can bring their level higher for big matches, some can't. It's Manchester City's first time ever competing in the knock-out stages of the Champions League. Pellegrini has experience at the highest levels but he probably still has flashbacks to Higuaín.

Some teams can look much stronger in cup competitions because they are geared that way, or because the opposition have never played against that style before. How many times have City come up against a team that plays like Barça this season, out of interest?

It's not like Barça are the same team they were two years ago, either. With Agüero out for the first match (I believe) it will be tougher for Manchester City to score. A 4-4-2 won't work because the personnel isn't good enough against top opposition, so it would be a lone striker up front - Negredo, likely?

It's not going to be a walk in the park, and I am sure that City won't score plenty at the Etihad.<br /><br />-- Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:52 pm --<br /><br />

So why do you think WE need your advice then. We can't change anything.

I don't need any of you to take my "advice". Do you have an issue with me posting a valid opinion, or what?

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

It's great when some random bloke cares to advise one of the best managers in the world about how to do his job, and point out strengths and weaknesses I am sure he appreciates it

I don't think Pellegrini reads this forum, so he probably won't appreciate "advice" that is given to him on here.

So why do you think WE need your advice then. We can't change anything.

Perhaps he was just sharing an opinion.

 

[Damocles]

So why do you think WE need your advice then. We can't change anything.

I don't need any of you to take my "advice". Do you have an issue with me posting a valid opinion, or what?

I don't know, give it a try and we'll see

 

[C Velz]

I don't know, give it a try and we'll see

I already made a valid opinion here.

 

[Balti]

is he Bobby in disguise?

 

[ifiwasarichfan]

I have got upset this week when I have heard wanky pundits in the Media describe our last Manager as an exponent of defensive Football. We know it isn't true. At our best under Mr M we combined the steel of Jose's first Chelsea side with the flair of Arsene's Arsenal. The away wins over Spurs and the 6 -1 at old Trafford are probably the two best examples that showed that as did the two trophies. Having said that; like most fans and posters I moved on.

Mr P has taken us to another level. We are no longer reaching for the stars. At this moment in time we are actually sitting on them and gazing down and laughing at the also-rans and Arsenal and Chelsea are pretty awesome Football sides.

Every time I watch us play I try to understand and decipher the tactics that this genius from Chile is employing, because it isn't 4 -4 -2.

Fat Sam Allardyce plays 4 -4 -2; Harry Redknapp plays 4 -4 -2.

It isn't 4 -3 -3; it isn't 4 -2 -2 -2, it isn't 4 -2 -3 - 1 and it isn't a sweeper system either.

What happens though, when I am watching is as soon as the first stunning passage of play from us occurs that leads to a chance on goal or the first of the ever so many goals go in; I just get time machined back to when I was 9 years old and saw the Brazil side of Pele play in the 1970 World Cup.

After we had those awful early season losses; I was really sat on the fence between those who were shouting for the extra man in midfield and those who were saying - its a combination of bad refereeing and individual players dropping bollocks. I was never sure. Mr P though has obviously got it bang on and right now nobody has a clue on how to cope with us. A few weeks ago MOTD described a visit to the Etihad as like a visit to a torture chamber and Clive (magnificent night in the noucamp) Tyldesley when asked the question "when is it a good time to play City", answered - "about 20 years ago" !

Can someone please bump the excellent tactics thread from a year or so ago or send me a PM that explain's to me why that right now we are "the best team in the land and all the world".

Mr P is just the Bees knees !<br /><br />-- Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:39 am --<br /><br />

is he Bobby in disguise?

I think he is Bobby with knobs on !!

DD is right. We are witnessing something very special.

 

[NoahCity]

He has done a great job, now let's hope we can bring in a couple of trophies at season's end to show for all the work put in.

 

[Far_southerner]

I have got upset this week when I have heard wanky pundits in the Media describe our last Manager as an exponent of defensive Football. We know it isn't true. At our best under Mr M we combined the steel of Jose's first Chelsea side with the flair of Arsene's Arsenal. The away wins over Spurs and the 6 -1 at old Trafford are probably the two best examples that showed that as did the two trophies. Having said that; like most fans and posters I moved on.

Mr P has taken us to another level. We are no longer reaching for the stars. At this moment in time we are actually sitting on them and gazing down and laughing at the also-rans and Arsenal and Chelsea are pretty awesome Football sides.

Every time I watch us play I try to understand and decipher the tactics that this genius from Chile is employing, because it isn't 4 -4 -2.

Fat Sam Allardyce plays 4 -4 -2; Harry Redknapp plays 4 -4 -2.

It isn't 4 -3 -3; it isn't 4 -2 -2 -2, it isn't 4 -2 -3 - 1 and it isn't a sweeper system either.

What happens though, when I am watching is as soon as the first stunning passage of play from us occurs that leads to a chance on goal or the first of the ever so many goals go in; I just get time machined back to when I was 9 years old and saw the Brazil side of Pele play in the 1970 World Cup.

After we had those awful early season losses; I was really sat on the fence between those who were shouting for the extra man in midfield and those who were saying - its a combination of bad refereeing and individual players dropping bollocks. I was never sure. Mr P though has obviously got it bang on and right now nobody has a clue on how to cope with us. A few weeks ago MOTD described a visit to the Etihad as like a visit to a torture chamber and Clive (magnificent night in the noucamp) Tyldesley when asked the question "when is it a good time to play City", answered - "about 20 years ago" !

Can someone please bump the excellent tactics thread from a year or so ago or send me a PM that explain's to me why that right now we are "the best team in the land and all the world".

Mr P is just the Bees knees !

-- Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:39 am --

is he Bobby in disguise?

I think he is Bobby with knobs on !!

DD is right. We are witnessing something very special.

Perhaps this old article from Talksport may help with some clues about this formations thing:

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