Discuss Pellegrini...

[Anonymous]

If he is assessing it on this season he may start with Joe and Vincent. Both error prone. If Pellegrini continues in this attacking vein he may have ideas on changing the defence which is getting asked a lot of questions by this new style and even now struggling to adapt.

Personally think its the style not the players that need changing.

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[OB1]

You can't ignore the points lost through adjusting from one manager to the next

Would we expect to start next season with losses at cardiff, Sunderland and Villa. Maybe lose the odd one, but we couldn't win away for 2 months.

Keep saying it. But it's not sinking in. Any new manager needs time to settle in. Allow for that in your assessment

Marvin,

I think you are right on this but that it is not the whole story. I consider this a transitional season of sorts but, even allowing for that, I think our players have screwed up in ways that I cannot blame on the transition. Most of the costly errors have come from players that Pellegrini inherited. However this season turns out, I hope that Pellegrini gets to make the changes to the squad that he most wants this summer; changes that will be based, in large part, on a season of assessing what he has.

I continue to have question marks against the mental fortitude of this team,;questions that yesterday's game did nothing, overall, to answer.

Yes I agree

Players like Hart and Kompany have under-performed. Hart had a nightmarish spell for 2 months which cost us a lot of points

Kompany has had an injury nightmare for 2 seasons. Likewise Aguero

managerial transition isn't the whole story, but is one factor on many which needs allowing for.

Pellegrini has made mistakes too. I'd like to see Billy list a few

Every manager makes mistakes and Billy has over the season referred to mistakes he thought Pellers had made. I cannot recall specific examples but I do know that there have been one or two occasions where I have seen criticism of the manager by him that I have not agreed with. None of us sees things exactly the same way.

 

[Anonymous]

Marvin,

I think you are right on this but that it is not the whole story. I consider this a transitional season of sorts but, even allowing for that, I think our players have screwed up in ways that I cannot blame on the transition. Most of the costly errors have come from players that Pellegrini inherited. However this season turns out, I hope that Pellegrini gets to make the changes to the squad that he most wants this summer; changes that will be based, in large part, on a season of assessing what he has.

I continue to have question marks against the mental fortitude of this team,;questions that yesterday's game did nothing, overall, to answer.

Yes I agree

Players like Hart and Kompany have under-performed. Hart had a nightmarish spell for 2 months which cost us a lot of points

Kompany has had an injury nightmare for 2 seasons. Likewise Aguero

managerial transition isn't the whole story, but is one factor on many which needs allowing for.

Pellegrini has made mistakes too. I'd like to see Billy list a few

Every manager makes mistakes and Billy has over the season referred to mistakes he thought Pellers had made. I cannot recall specific examples but I do know that there have been one or two occasions where I have seen criticism of the manager by him that I have not agreed with. None of us sees things exactly the same way.

What a weird thing for Marvin to post. I'm not sure why my criticisms need to be repeated - if he's looking for criticism this thread has been awash with it since September!

Funny how I get just as much shit for rating a manager as I did for not rating one. :)

 

[Jimfv1]

Nasri back to his old form, not seen a player since Petrov pull out of so many challenges.

Looks to me like he's put weight on again and consequently lost that zip that he'd regained earlier this season.

Could have something to do with the rumours floating around in France that City aren't rushing to tie him down to a new contract. He'll have 12 months to run in the summer and his transfer value will plummet so would expect that they'd have done it by now, but it seems someone somewhere is dragging their heels.

Personally I think we're going to see a new team built in the next 16 months because of the number of contracts up for renewal and the incredibly high wages of the players who need renewals.

Do you think some of it may have to do with the World Cup being close and players not wanting to risk injury ?

I think it has been a transitional season, and it isn't over yet, but I think Pellers has been guilty of being over reliant on certain players and not utilising the squad as much as he could have done.

It appears as though we need a squad of 20-22 players who can slot in whenever to win the league, whereas other clubs seem to mix and match and still get results. Maybe it's just Cityitis, perhaps it is bad luck with injuries, poor refereeing decisions or a combination or all the variables but I think despite the managerial change we have still underperformed this season.

I just hope we can bring in 2-3 first choice players and step up next season to progress further and improve on this season. I'm not unhappy with Pellers at all, but I still think his refusal to play one up front early on in the season has proven to be a mistake, and the fact that this was changed eventually shows he made a mistake too.

 

[robbieh]

If he is assessing it on this season he may start with Joe and Vincent. Both error prone. If Pellegrini continues in this attacking vein he may have ideas on changing the defence which is getting asked a lot of questions by this new style and even now struggling to adapt.

Personally think its the style not the players that need changing.

hahahaha

I was responding to Marvin's comments that Pellegrini has had a year to assess his players. These two have been way below their best. But I think that is in part due to the system being asked of them. ie Much less protection. But given this is the manager's preferred style of play then we may need to rethink the defensive personnel. The endless rumours re a goalkeeper suggest he is not that confident in Hart. And while Vincent is a magnificent athlete and sometimes heroic in his last ditch defending, his distribution is often poor and he occasional makes very rash challenges.

Not suggesting we ditch either of them but some serious rethinking on how we defend is needed.

 

[Marvin]

Yes I agree

Players like Hart and Kompany have under-performed. Hart had a nightmarish spell for 2 months which cost us a lot of points

Kompany has had an injury nightmare for 2 seasons. Likewise Aguero

managerial transition isn't the whole story, but is one factor on many which needs allowing for.

Pellegrini has made mistakes too. I'd like to see Billy list a few

Every manager makes mistakes and Billy has over the season referred to mistakes he thought Pellers had made. I cannot recall specific examples but I do know that there have been one or two occasions where I have seen criticism of the manager by him that I have not agreed with. None of us sees things exactly the same way.

What a weird thing for Marvin to post. I'm not sure why my criticisms need to be repeated - if he's looking for criticism this thread has been awash with it since September!

Funny how I get just as much shit for rating a manager as I did for not rating one. :)

Was not aware that Billy had made criticisms.

I'd get a bit suspicious if someone could only view an argument from one angle. That was why I asked

 

[OB1]

Every manager makes mistakes and Billy has over the season referred to mistakes he thought Pellers had made. I cannot recall specific examples but I do know that there have been one or two occasions where I have seen criticism of the manager by him that I have not agreed with. None of us sees things exactly the same way.

What a weird thing for Marvin to post. I'm not sure why my criticisms need to be repeated - if he's looking for criticism this thread has been awash with it since September!

Funny how I get just as much shit for rating a manager as I did for not rating one. :)

Was not aware that Billy had made criticisms.

I'd get a bit suspicious if someone could only view an argument from one angle. That was why I asked

He's made more than me and my views are not one sided. I have stated in the past that I have kept most of my criticism of Pellegrini to myself because I think he has had far too much unfair comment from far too many supporters on here. Also, I think that he has got far more right than he has wrong, in his first season at the club.

I think one very salient point that Billy keeps making is that the decision makers at City chose a direction for the club and saw Pellegrini as the right man to move us in that direction (rather than, say, Mourinho). They did not hire him for his pragmatism.

 

[OB1]

If he is assessing it on this season he may start with Joe and Vincent. Both error prone. If Pellegrini continues in this attacking vein he may have ideas on changing the defence which is getting asked a lot of questions by this new style and even now struggling to adapt.

Personally think its the style not the players that need changing.

hahahaha

I was responding to Marvin's comments that Pellegrini has had a year to assess his players. These two have been way below their best. But I think that is in part due to the system being asked of them. ie Much less protection. But given this is the manager's preferred style of play then we may need to rethink the defensive personnel. The endless rumours re a goalkeeper suggest he is not that confident in Hart. And while Vincent is a magnificent athlete and sometimes heroic in his last ditch defending, his distribution is often poor and he occasional makes very rash challenges.

Not suggesting we ditch either of them but some serious rethinking on how we defend is needed.

Kompany is about 7th best of our regulars when it comes to pass completion, with an 87% success rate; which means his distribution is not often poor. What he does do too frequently, for my liking, is try long passes that do not succeed but, by their nature, they rarely cause defensive problems for City.

 

[Shaelumstash]

If he is assessing it on this season he may start with Joe and Vincent. Both error prone. If Pellegrini continues in this attacking vein he may have ideas on changing the defence which is getting asked a lot of questions by this new style and even now struggling to adapt.

Personally think its the style not the players that need changing.

hahahaha

I was responding to Marvin's comments that Pellegrini has had a year to assess his players. These two have been way below their best. But I think that is in part due to the system being asked of them. ie Much less protection. But given this is the manager's preferred style of play then we may need to rethink the defensive personnel. The endless rumours re a goalkeeper suggest he is not that confident in Hart. And while Vincent is a magnificent athlete and sometimes heroic in his last ditch defending, his distribution is often poor and he occasional makes very rash challenges.

Not suggesting we ditch either of them but some serious rethinking on how we defend is needed.

Robbieh you don't have to justify yourself to a WUM, you are spot on.

Kompany was at fault for all 3 goals yesterday. He was clearly not match fit and shouldn't have played.

The problem is that we don't have another centre half who is comfortable playing a high line. That leaves us with 3 options:

1. Play Kompany injured.
2. Play Lescott and Demichelis in a high line, and risk another Watford / Wigan.
3. Play two match fit centre halves and drop the line a bit deeper to accommodate for their lack of pace.

Pellers chose option 1, and as I said Kompany was at fault for all 3 goals. I think choosing option 2 may have been even more of a disaster based on previous games.

A top manager would have picked option 3. Unfortunately the lady's not for changing though, so we're going to have to hope Liverpool slip up and we can win our remaining games against the lesser teams.

 

[lancs blue]

What a weird thing for Marvin to post. I'm not sure why my criticisms need to be repeated - if he's looking for criticism this thread has been awash with it since September!

Funny how I get just as much shit for rating a manager as I did for not rating one. :)

Was not aware that Billy had made criticisms.

I'd get a bit suspicious if someone could only view an argument from one angle. That was why I asked

He's made more than me and my views are not one sided. I have stated in the past that I have kept most of my criticism of Pellegrini to myself because I think he has had far too much unfair comment from far too many supporters on here. Also, I think that he has got far more right than he has wrong, in his first season at the club.

I think one very salient point that Billy keeps making is that the decision makers at City chose a direction for the club and saw Pellegrini as the right man to move us in that direction (rather than, say, Mourinho). They did not hire him for his pragmatism.

Maybe not but to win big trophies I'm afraid a touch of pragmatism is needed now and then, it was certainly needed in the first half yesterday when our midfield was being overrun. That doesn't mean being negative, just a little more solidity in the midfield to allow us to get sufficient possession to hurt Liverpool. We all knew they were going to be very intense from the off but they can't maintain that intensity for 90 mins so the pragmatic ploy would have been to see off that first wave and then grow into the game. We managed the latter but only after going 2 goals down.