Discuss Pellegrini...

[Anonymous]

For me, it is better to play attractive, beautiful football and win nothing than play rubbish and park the bus every game like Chelsea impotents. Guardiola said somewhere: football is not only about trophies.

You want to be Arsenal then?

Guardiola would want to sort out the numbingly boring football his team are playing as well then. Funny that came up now...

Think you're all being a bit harsh on Bayern and on Pep. They've been unstoppable in the Bundesliga and IMO are favourites to win the CL. Strikes me as more than a bit of an exaggeration to try and suggest they play boring football. He's trying to change the way they play, and as with us this season it's a gradual process. I suspect they have another two gears at least they they'll go up in the next 12 months under him.

 

[George Hannah]

yeah bit OTT it could be put another way, With an England international striker and a 3 time PL winning defender in the back 4

Of course its OTT. Thats the point. Chelsea have been crying out for striker all season and they let one go who just may help fire Liverpool to the title - hence 'Chelsea reject'. Same with Kolo. Deemed not good enough for us and let go on a free. And where to? Thats right Liverpool in order to help them (possibly) beat us to the title. You have to have a heart of stone not to cry at the irony. The one I forgot was Victor Moses and many thanks to chris85 for pointing it out. It made my day.

The cherry picking a post in an attempt to deflect from the actual points raised re big games has become a predictable tactic closely followed by the "...well you liked Mancini blah, blah" pivot which I guess is one way of not dealing with the issues. I am on record here saying that the League Cup was on my personal bucket list and thank you Mr Pellers. Its purely a personal thing and not shared by everyone but there you go.

I still think we have an excellent chance of winning the league but the points remain:

1) Pellers in game management is too passive.
2) Use of subs is too predictable and seems to be pre planned with no account taken of game momentum.
3) The big games. Our record against our immediate title rivals is poor. Played 6. Won 2. Drawn 1. Lost 3. Games against your immediate rivals in a tight race are crucial given the point swing. At three key points in the season where the title was there for us to take control we failed to do so. Slip up once well ok. Twice is a concern. Three times is fucking criminal. In the CL our 4 big games were Played 4. Won 1. Lost 3. And the one we won was a dead rubber. There is a pattern. There is always a pattern. So far we have dismissed the pattern in favour of 'players making mistakes' and 'bad refs' and yes at Anfield we are playing the ref and will not get some decisions just as Liverpool didn't get some decisions when we played them at home so guess what don't give them a 2 goal fucking head start.

I am not looking for Pellers to go. He won't go anyway and as I said I was made up over winning the League Cup so I am not interested in calling for his sacking even if we don't win the league. But if we do lose the league to Liverpool there will be a few managers including Pellers who will have to take a long hard fucking look at themselves and seriously up their game next season. Furthermore if we do lose out to Liverpool and/or finish 3rd I do not want to hear any more fucking garbage about the vast improvement this season or whining about what a **** Mancini was as a) I already knew he was a ****, b) I didn't care he was **** and c) the **** wouldn't have finished fucking third.

Now all that said this title race is far from over and the thought of the summer with Liverpool as Champions is frankly too awful to contemplate so lets win the next 6 fucking games and make sure it never happens and that we never speak of it again. Ever.

Spot on Bob.

tonybooker post prize nominee

 

[coleridge]

You really aren't very bright are you, Billy?
What makes it worse is that this salient fact hasn't registered with you yet.
We are not a million miles ahead of last season - we have won the League Cup, and according to you from your lofty Parisian perch the players are happier, and that's about it in real terms.
We are now second favourites for a Premiership title that was ours for the taking, and are currently being outsmarted and outplayed by Brendan and his team of little talent and a bunch of journeymen.
If you seriously consider this to be the heralding of a glorious new age then you are even more deluded than I thought.

Aha. The comments about living in Paris. You missed out that I don't go to games either. Predictable to the bitter end Fetlocks. Lets hope the end ends with us lifting the title in May.

-- Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:35 pm --

Any other questions?

How's the weather in Abu Dhabi ? :)

As you ask, I am currently in Dubai, mate, and it's 40 degrees. Abu Dhabi is for laters...

Anyway, plenty of true blue Mancs [and others] here but the only genuine scouser and Koppite that I've 'met' here is my wife. The Rags and them are the two peas in the same pod and that's why they pretend to loathe each other the most, and to paraphrase what others have said elsewhere on BM, the two most self-important, attention-seeking sets of fans that ever walked the earth, and I mean the plastics. Hypocritical wankers. I don't even want to discuss them anymore.

As for Pellers, I cannot see it being anything other than the three years, whatever happens, and then Pep. Like you, I am a simple M20 lad and so can't do 'complicated'. Take care, our kid.

 

[BobKowalski]

What is this bleeding obsession with last season?

Haha must be eating you up seeing a corner shop out perform Tesco.

Again with the cherry pick and nope. Not in the slightest. I don't have a Pellers obsession as you have with Mancini. I don't mind Pellers. Bit dull but as his primary goal is not to entertain me with his riveting personality I'm a big enough man to let that pass.

Anyway keep on fighting the good fight for Pellers. Pip pip.

 

[aguero93:20]

You want to be Arsenal then?

Guardiola would want to sort out the numbingly boring football his team are playing as well then. Funny that came up now...

Think you're all being a bit harsh on Bayern and on Pep. They've been unstoppable in the Bundesliga and IMO are favourites to win the CL. Strikes me as more than a bit of an exaggeration to try and suggest they play boring football. He's trying to change the way they play, and as with us this season it's a gradual process. I suspect they have another two gears at least they they'll go up in the next 12 months under him.

Read back a bit and you'll see I said I'd suspend judgement on his tenure at Barca till next season at least. They've played some shit football so far this season though and going by this season I would not see him as the best choice for us after MP.
Disclaimer: Nor does that mean I think MP shouldn't see out his contract.





why did I come on this thread >:(

 

[bluemc1]

yeah bit OTT it could be put another way, With an England international striker and a 3 time PL winning defender in the back 4

Of course its OTT. Thats the point. Chelsea have been crying out for striker all season and they let one go who just may help fire Liverpool to the title - hence 'Chelsea reject'. Same with Kolo. Deemed not good enough for us and let go on a free. And where to? Thats right Liverpool in order to help them (possibly) beat us to the title. You have to have a heart of stone not to cry at the irony. The one I forgot was Victor Moses and many thanks to chris85 for pointing it out. It made my day.

The cherry picking a post in an attempt to deflect from the actual points raised re big games has become a predictable tactic closely followed by the "...well you liked Mancini blah, blah" pivot which I guess is one way of not dealing with the issues. I am on record here saying that the League Cup was on my personal bucket list and thank you Mr Pellers. Its purely a personal thing and not shared by everyone but there you go.

I still think we have an excellent chance of winning the league but the points remain:

1) Pellers in game management is too passive.
2) Use of subs is too predictable and seems to be pre planned with no account taken of game momentum.
3) The big games. Our record against our immediate title rivals is poor. Played 6. Won 2. Drawn 1. Lost 3. Games against your immediate rivals in a tight race are crucial given the point swing. At three key points in the season where the title was there for us to take control we failed to do so. Slip up once well ok. Twice is a concern. Three times is fucking criminal. In the CL our 4 big games were Played 4. Won 1. Lost 3. And the one we won was a dead rubber. There is a pattern. There is always a pattern. So far we have dismissed the pattern in favour of 'players making mistakes' and 'bad refs' and yes at Anfield we are playing the ref and will not get some decisions just as Liverpool didn't get some decisions when we played them at home so guess what don't give them a 2 goal fucking head start.

I am not looking for Pellers to go. He won't go anyway and as I said I was made up over winning the League Cup so I am not interested in calling for his sacking even if we don't win the league. But if we do lose the league to Liverpool there will be a few managers including Pellers who will have to take a long hard fucking look at themselves and seriously up their game next season. Furthermore if we do lose out to Liverpool and/or finish 3rd I do not want to hear any more fucking garbage about the vast improvement this season or whining about what a **** Mancini was as a) I already knew he was a ****, b) I didn't care he was **** and c) the **** wouldn't have finished fucking third.

Now all that said this title race is far from over and the thought of the summer with Liverpool as Champions is frankly too awful to contemplate so lets win the next 6 fucking games and make sure it never happens and that we never speak of it again. Ever.

Spot on Bob.

fair enough i just read it like you were saying Chelsea reject and Kolo Toure like they were shit and losing to a team with those players MP should be shot or sacked

 

[BobKowalski]

... or make the European champions sluggishly awful to watch.

Does anyone prefer them now to under Heynckes?

I've never liked the cunts tbh.
Know what you mean though, they were much more exciting to watch under Heynckes.

It's boggling watching them play like they have shackles on their ankles until they go a goal behind and Pep sighs knowing he now has to let them attack... whereupon they start thrashing the opposition.

Its about control. Pep is a control freak. Everything is planned, controlled, prepared for, analysed to the extent the opposition are just hapless to do anything about it.

It actually appeals to me in some ways. I like us to control matches. Not controlling matches drives me insane.<br /><br />-- Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:11 pm --<br /><br />

Of course its OTT. Thats the point. Chelsea have been crying out for striker all season and they let one go who just may help fire Liverpool to the title - hence 'Chelsea reject'. Same with Kolo. Deemed not good enough for us and let go on a free. And where to? Thats right Liverpool in order to help them (possibly) beat us to the title. You have to have a heart of stone not to cry at the irony. The one I forgot was Victor Moses and many thanks to chris85 for pointing it out. It made my day.

The cherry picking a post in an attempt to deflect from the actual points raised re big games has become a predictable tactic closely followed by the "...well you liked Mancini blah, blah" pivot which I guess is one way of not dealing with the issues. I am on record here saying that the League Cup was on my personal bucket list and thank you Mr Pellers. Its purely a personal thing and not shared by everyone but there you go.

I still think we have an excellent chance of winning the league but the points remain:

1) Pellers in game management is too passive.
2) Use of subs is too predictable and seems to be pre planned with no account taken of game momentum.
3) The big games. Our record against our immediate title rivals is poor. Played 6. Won 2. Drawn 1. Lost 3. Games against your immediate rivals in a tight race are crucial given the point swing. At three key points in the season where the title was there for us to take control we failed to do so. Slip up once well ok. Twice is a concern. Three times is fucking criminal. In the CL our 4 big games were Played 4. Won 1. Lost 3. And the one we won was a dead rubber. There is a pattern. There is always a pattern. So far we have dismissed the pattern in favour of 'players making mistakes' and 'bad refs' and yes at Anfield we are playing the ref and will not get some decisions just as Liverpool didn't get some decisions when we played them at home so guess what don't give them a 2 goal fucking head start.

I am not looking for Pellers to go. He won't go anyway and as I said I was made up over winning the League Cup so I am not interested in calling for his sacking even if we don't win the league. But if we do lose the league to Liverpool there will be a few managers including Pellers who will have to take a long hard fucking look at themselves and seriously up their game next season. Furthermore if we do lose out to Liverpool and/or finish 3rd I do not want to hear any more fucking garbage about the vast improvement this season or whining about what a **** Mancini was as a) I already knew he was a ****, b) I didn't care he was **** and c) the **** wouldn't have finished fucking third.

Now all that said this title race is far from over and the thought of the summer with Liverpool as Champions is frankly too awful to contemplate so lets win the next 6 fucking games and make sure it never happens and that we never speak of it again. Ever.

Spot on Bob.

fair enough i just read it like you were saying Chelsea reject and Kolo Toure like they were shit and losing to a team with those players MP should be shot or sacked

I'm often misunderstood :)

I'm a big Sturridge fan and am delighted he is doing well - just don't want him doing too well.

 

[bluemc1]

I've never liked the cunts tbh.
Know what you mean though, they were much more exciting to watch under Heynckes.

It's boggling watching them play like they have shackles on their ankles until they go a goal behind and Pep sighs knowing he now has to let them attack... whereupon they start thrashing the opposition.

Its about control. Pep is a control freak. Everything is planned, controlled, prepared for, analysed to the extent the opposition are just hapless to do anything about it.

It actually appeals to me in some ways. I like us to control matches. Not controlling matches drives me insane.

-- Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:11 pm --

Spot on Bob.

fair enough i just read it like you were saying Chelsea reject and Kolo Toure like they were shit and losing to a team with those players MP should be shot or sacked

I'm often misunderstood :)

I'm a big Sturridge fan and am delighted he is doing well - just don't want him doing too well.

yeah i always rated Sturridge, keep thinking back to cheering like mad when he scored V United early on this season, wish United would have won that one now

 

[FantasyIreland]

It actually appeals to me in some ways. I like us to control matches. Not controlling matches drives me insane.

It also appeals to me.

However,i also appreciate the 'cavalier' approach,perhaps a half way house is the answer?

When Pelle has had his fill...... Uwe Rosler anyone?

 

[Anonymous]

As for Pellers, I cannot see it being anything other than the three years, whatever happens, and then Pep. Like you, I am a simple M20 lad and so can't do 'complicated'. Take care, our kid.

I think it's as plain as day too mate.

Three years with Pellegrini will be the minimum we will get. The only way I could ever have foreseen a circumstance where he didn't see out the minimum 3 years was if this season collapsed and Pellegrini did a Moyes. Thankfully the Chilean David has made mincemeat of the real David and has also managed to keep pace with the Machiavellian genius that is Mourinho and on that basis the only future I do see is another two season with Manuel followed by Pep.

I should stop trying to force people to be as content and as sanguine as I am about our future. If people want to fret about Pellegrini's dull press conferences or his lack of reactive in game management that's their business. I'll wait until I see a real problem in his managerial armour, one that makes the players not want to play for him for example, before I start worrying!