Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2014/15 (continued)

[Damocles]

Again, you just sound like someone who has a very low opinion of everyone from Khaldoon downwards. .

What is it with you guys? Where have I ever knocked Khaldoon?

What a meaningless comment "you just sound like" is. "You just sound like" and then I'll write a load of bollocks about you.

As for comments made to the press, FFS , Pellegrini denied he was joining City the week before he joined.

I suppose the most logical question here then would be what would change your opinion that Soriano and Txiki aren't actually here as agent provocateur but instead are here because they think they have a good job?

 

[BillyShears]

I suppose the most logical question here then would be what would change your opinion that Soriano and Txiki aren't actually here as agent provocateur but instead are here because they think they have a good job?

Nothing. Because the truth us we won a double last season for which Txiki in particular is given zero credit even though his signings were as integral to winning that title as any of the players he inherited. This is part of a wider campaign against Begiristain which goes back to Mancini's sacking. Some people haven't gotten over the fact Txiki sacked Mancini, others haven't gotten over some sort of personal humiliation they felt at losing the FA Cup final that year and have decided that this was also Txiki's fault.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I suppose the most logical question here then would be what would change your opinion that Soriano and Txiki aren't actually here as agent provocateur but instead are here because they think they have a good job?

Nothing. Because the truth us we won a double last season for which Txiki in particular is given zero credit even though his signings were as integral to winning that title as any of the players he inherited. This is part of a wider campaign against Begiristain which goes back to Mancini's sacking. Some people haven't gotten over the fact Txiki sacked Mancini, others haven't gotten over some sort of personal humiliation they felt at losing the FA Cup final that year and have decided that this was also Txiki's fault.

Yeah, that's a big factor, and also the fact that Cook played well in the cheap seats and Txiki doesn't.

Remember when the pantomime villains list included Marwood, Kloss and Chappy as well? Funy how they are well paid and looked after by Abu Dhabi.

 

[pudge]

This thread wouldn't feel out of place in the History forum.

Sad.

 

[Damocles]

I suppose the most logical question here then would be what would change your opinion that Soriano and Txiki aren't actually here as agent provocateur but instead are here because they think they have a good job?

Nothing. Because the truth us we won a double last season for which Txiki in particular is given zero credit even though his signings were as integral to winning that title as any of the players he inherited. This is part of a wider campaign against Begiristain which goes back to Mancini's sacking. Some people haven't gotten over the fact Txiki sacked Mancini, others haven't gotten over some sort of personal humiliation they felt at losing the FA Cup final that year and have decided that this was also Txiki's fault.

Yeah, that's a big factor, and also the fact that Cook played well in the cheap seats and Txiki doesn't.

Remember when the pantomime villains list included Marwood, Kloss and Chappy as well? Funy how they are well paid and looked after by Abu Dhabi.

Marwood was on my shit list because I thought he was a terrible Director of Football. He signed obviously under-talented players like Rodwell, Sinclair and the like and got some really insulting fees for the players who left. He wasn't very good at the job he was put into and when Rigg left and took half the scouting department with him then the quality of our signings just dropped. We also lost out on numerous players because although they were negotiating with us, they went elsewhere and Marwood didn't do a good enough job when he was left unsupported by the infrastructure. It didn't help that when Cook left and Macbeth came in there was a chopping both above him, underneath him in Rigg and had Mancini attempted to fill the power vacuum in both the Academy and publicly warring with the DoF for increased controls and access to the Chairman all in about a 12 month period or so.

One of the reasons I can see how talented Txiki is was because of how pretty average Marwood was in the same role. I understand WHY he was average and that the Executive structure in that period was a joke where nobody seemed to want to grab the reigns but this doesn't change that he was average.

This isn't to suggest that he's a useless guy and his work on the new Academy building seems to have gone down well, and he's valued as a member of the team but he was promoted into a role he didn't belong in due to Cook's desire to surround himself with underqualified friends

 

[blue city199]

We were fined £6m, not £50m. And it wasn't a fine, it was a reduction in Champions League revenue and even then we were allowed to count it on the balance sheet like we did recieve it so it made no difference at all.

We failed FFP because UEFA moved the goalposts at the last minute after our accounts had been run a certain way, because they needed us and PSG to fail politically.

You have no idea who we have and haven't approached.

Txiki WILL 1000000% know what Pep's intentions are.

And again, you have no idea if we have a Plan B. I'm almost certain as a professionally ran organisation then we'll have a Plan B, C, D, E and F.

People are rightly suggesting that he is seen within football as the best Director of Football in the world. To give you an analogy from the playing terms, he is seen as better as a Director of Football than Sergio Aguero is as a striker. You're criticising somebody who is seen as the absolute inarguable best in the world, you're slagging off Lionel Messi

1 The money withheld was 20 million euros which was the first part of the 60 million euro "fine". The rest was suspended.
I'm sure if the 20 million euros lost was your money then Sheikh Mansour would also feel that "it made no difference at all."

2 You also have no idea what Pep has told Txiki his intentions are. You state things as fact yet mock others for speculating.

3 Txiki was sacked by Barcelona after he made a series of fairly terrible deals. He is not the Lionel Messi of DoFs you are being silly.
Ferran, who lost his role after the presidential elections, probably is the best football CEO around. Txiki's reputation is not as high
as Ferran's within the game. Within the Ferran, Txiki, Pep "team" Txiki is arguably the weakest link.

Our failure to meet FFP is more contentious. The club certainly reckon that they were screwed by UEFA.
Some of the related party off charges however looked dodgy and looked like a last minute attempt to balance the books
after Mancini and his coaches had been sacked.

Txiki begiristain was not sacked he left when sandro rossel became president because he was part of joan laporta 's team

 

[mosssideblue]

LOL.

I guess you didn't feel like posting the reasons why your mate Txiki didn't sack Pellegrini yesterday for not picking any youth
players on Sunday was necessary either?

You did after all deem it a sackable offence.

Now that was a ludicrous opinion.

He also said that Pellegrini "does not have the best interests of City at heart". Another ludicrous comment whether you like Pellegrini or not.

He doesn't. The best interests of Manchester City over the long term is to introduce youth players into the first team whenever and wherever possible. Pellegrini actively refused to do so because he didn't want to have to rely on them. This is him looking out for the results rather than the long term future.

Rediculous to suggest he doesn't have the interest of City. This is just another string for your "why dont we play youth" bow. If the youngsters were good enough, they would play, clearly, they are not.

 

[Damocles]

Rediculous to suggest he doesn't have the interest of City. This is just another string for your "why dont we play youth" bow. If the youngsters were good enough, they would play, clearly, they are not.

Yet they're as good as if not better than the players at Chelsea, Arsenal and United who are getting games in the Premier League and still qualifying for the CL or winning trophies.

The only people who say they aren't good enough are people who don't watch them play. They are good enough to play the odd game when they need to as part of their development. Chelsea managed to give their lads a run out in a Champions League game, ours can't get on for 10 minutes in a Cup game against a Championship side. They couldn't even get on the bench.

Marcos Lopes couldn't get a game under Pellegrini. Played every possible game for Lille. Rekik couldn't get a game, won the title at PSV. Denayer couldn't get a game, won the title at Celtic. Yet apparently Middlesbrough is too tough a fixture for them. Despite the fact that our players who aren't making it and will never play for City are getting loaned to the same division as Boro and beating them.

You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Healdplace]

I guess it now looks pretty clear that Pellegrini has been told that he stays unless or until Pep arrives.

I appreciate the integrity of a manager like Pep wanting to complete his contract. No issue with that.

Everything therefore revolves now around whether Bayern will keep Pep for another year knowing that he can then walk for free in 12 months (just as City will do with Pelle). Or will do a deal with City for early termination/compensation if Pep refuses to talk about extending his stay.

If Pep unexpectedly signs a new contract with Bayern then that surely has to mean he will not come - as the same integrity of not breaking this would mean he has to see that one out and City cannot wait 3 years or more even for him, surely.

So really we now need the Pep new contract at Bayern scenario resolved one way or another asap. But Bayern have less urgency to sort that out if they know Pep is staying another year regardless.

 

[mosssideblue]

Rediculous to suggest he doesn't have the interest of City. This is just another string for your "why dont we play youth" bow. If the youngsters were good enough, they would play, clearly, they are not.

Yet they're as good as if not better than the players at Chelsea, Arsenal and United who are getting games in the Premier League and still qualifying for the CL or winning trophies.

The only people who say they aren't good enough are people who don't watch them play. They are good enough to play the odd game when they need to as part of their development. Chelsea managed to give their lads a run out in a Champions League game, ours can't get on for 10 minutes in a Cup game against a Championship side. They couldn't even get on the bench.

Marcos Lopes couldn't get a game under Pellegrini. Played every possible game for Lille. Rekik couldn't get a game, won the title at PSV. Denayer couldn't get a game, won the title at Celtic. Yet apparently Middlesbrough is too tough a fixture for them. Despite the fact that our players who aren't making it and will never play for City are getting loaned to the same division as Boro and beating them.

You don't know what you're talking about.

The fact they are not playing might suggest otherwise