Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2014/15 (continued)

[BillyShears]

I guess it now looks pretty clear that Pellegrini has been told that he stays unless or until Pep arrives.

I appreciate the integrity of a manager like Pep wanting to complete his contract. No issue with that.

Everything therefore revolves now around whether Bayern will keep Pep for another year knowing that he can then walk for free in 12 months (just as City will do with Pelle). Or will do a deal with City for early termination/compensation if Pep refuses to talk about extending his stay.

If Pep unexpectedly signs a new contract with Bayern then that surely has to mean he will not come - as the same integrity of not breaking this would mean he has to see that one out and City cannot wait 3 years or more even for him, surely.

So really we now need the Pep new contract at Bayern scenario resolved one way or another asap. But Bayern have less urgency to sort that out if they know Pep is staying another year regardless.

If it were up to Bayern Pep would've signed a new deal last November when they offered him one.

 

[Nixon_The_Bike_Thief]

I dont wish to get involved in the ongoing debate about our exec's, however seeing as there seem to be plenty of educated people on both sides with opinions and insight maybe one of you wouldnt mind clearing up what may or may not be a misconception of mine. I am under the impression that as far as Ferran is concerned it is a null argument him returning to Barca before the end of 2016 as he is banned from "Managing other peoples wealth" in Spain and it has been correctly pointed out that this is what he would be doing in his role at Barca or any other spanish club, therefore exempting him for the next 18 months anyway ?

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

I guess it now looks pretty clear that Pellegrini has been told that he stays unless or until Pep arrives.

I appreciate the integrity of a manager like Pep wanting to complete his contract. No issue with that.

Everything therefore revolves now around whether Bayern will keep Pep for another year knowing that he can then walk for free in 12 months (just as City will do with Pelle). Or will do a deal with City for early termination/compensation if Pep refuses to talk about extending his stay.

If Pep unexpectedly signs a new contract with Bayern then that surely has to mean he will not come - as the same integrity of not breaking this would mean he has to see that one out and City cannot wait 3 years or more even for him, surely.

So really we now need the Pep new contract at Bayern scenario resolved one way or another asap. But Bayern have less urgency to sort that out if they know Pep is staying another year regardless.

If it were up to Bayern Pep would've signed a new deal last November when they offered him one.

Do you believe Bayern would let Pep run his contract down and miss out on a significant compensation fee?

 

[PragueBlue]

Rediculous to suggest he doesn't have the interest of City. This is just another string for your "why dont we play youth" bow. If the youngsters were good enough, they would play, clearly, they are not.

Yet they're as good as if not better than the players at Chelsea, Arsenal and United who are getting games in the Premier League and still qualifying for the CL or winning trophies.

The only people who say they aren't good enough are people who don't watch them play. They are good enough to play the odd game when they need to as part of their development. Chelsea managed to give their lads a run out in a Champions League game, ours can't get on for 10 minutes in a Cup game against a Championship side. They couldn't even get on the bench.

Marcos Lopes couldn't get a game under Pellegrini. Played every possible game for Lille. Rekik couldn't get a game, won the title at PSV. Denayer couldn't get a game, won the title at Celtic. Yet apparently Middlesbrough is too tough a fixture for them. Despite the fact that our players who aren't making it and will never play for City are getting loaned to the same division as Boro and beating them.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Those players were better served being on loan for a year.

Our other supposedly most promising youngsters (going off what I read) are still very young and have plenty of time.

I'm sure if Pellegrini thought they were ready, he would play them and he, along with his coaches, is in the best position to judge that.

 

[PragueBlue]

I guess it now looks pretty clear that Pellegrini has been told that he stays unless or until Pep arrives.

I appreciate the integrity of a manager like Pep wanting to complete his contract. No issue with that.

Everything therefore revolves now around whether Bayern will keep Pep for another year knowing that he can then walk for free in 12 months (just as City will do with Pelle). Or will do a deal with City for early termination/compensation if Pep refuses to talk about extending his stay.

If Pep unexpectedly signs a new contract with Bayern then that surely has to mean he will not come - as the same integrity of not breaking this would mean he has to see that one out and City cannot wait 3 years or more even for him, surely.

So really we now need the Pep new contract at Bayern scenario resolved one way or another asap. But Bayern have less urgency to sort that out if they know Pep is staying another year regardless.

If it were up to Bayern Pep would've signed a new deal last November when they offered him one.

Do you believe Bayern would let Pep run his contract down and miss out on a significant compensation fee?

Yes. The compensation for 1 year is a fairly negligible amount in the grand scheme of things. They'd probably rather have him for the year, than get that kind of amount in compensation.

 

[BillyShears]

I guess it now looks pretty clear that Pellegrini has been told that he stays unless or until Pep arrives.

I appreciate the integrity of a manager like Pep wanting to complete his contract. No issue with that.

Everything therefore revolves now around whether Bayern will keep Pep for another year knowing that he can then walk for free in 12 months (just as City will do with Pelle). Or will do a deal with City for early termination/compensation if Pep refuses to talk about extending his stay.

If Pep unexpectedly signs a new contract with Bayern then that surely has to mean he will not come - as the same integrity of not breaking this would mean he has to see that one out and City cannot wait 3 years or more even for him, surely.

So really we now need the Pep new contract at Bayern scenario resolved one way or another asap. But Bayern have less urgency to sort that out if they know Pep is staying another year regardless.

If it were up to Bayern Pep would've signed a new deal last November when they offered him one.

Do you believe Bayern would let Pep run his contract down and miss out on a significant compensation fee?

Unless they want to change manager this week which I'm assured they don't , they don't really have a choice do they. They can't force Pep to sign a new deal and they won't sack him.

 

[blueparrot]

Rediculous to suggest he doesn't have the interest of City. This is just another string for your "why dont we play youth" bow. If the youngsters were good enough, they would play, clearly, they are not.

Yet they're as good as if not better than the players at Chelsea, Arsenal and United who are getting games in the Premier League and still qualifying for the CL or winning trophies.

The only people who say they aren't good enough are people who don't watch them play. They are good enough to play the odd game when they need to as part of their development. Chelsea managed to give their lads a run out in a Champions League game, ours can't get on for 10 minutes in a Cup game against a Championship side. They couldn't even get on the bench.

Marcos Lopes couldn't get a game under Pellegrini. Played every possible game for Lille. Rekik couldn't get a game, won the title at PSV. Denayer couldn't get a game, won the title at Celtic. Yet apparently Middlesbrough is too tough a fixture for them. Despite the fact that our players who aren't making it and will never play for City are getting loaned to the same division as Boro and beating them.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Those players were better served being on loan for a year.

Our other supposedly most promising youngsters (going off what I read) are still very young and have plenty of time.

I'm sure if Pellegrini thought they were ready, he would play them and he, along with his coaches, is in the best position to judge that.

The decision to send them on loan would have been taken by Txiki, Vieira and Pellegrini. part of Txiki's job is getting young players into the first team. If he though that was being blocked by Pellegrini I'm sure he would act on it.

 

[halfcenturyup]

The idea that he is secretly sat there with Soriano twirling non-existent moustaches in an attempt to break City from the inside is hilarious.

Who has suggested that? Certainly not me so don't imply that I have just so it fits your narrative.

Soriano as I've posted a few pages back is probably the best CEO in world football.

Txiki's record is more mixed.

Both will do their best for the club while they are here.

To suggest Pep (and potentially Soriano and Txiki) won't return to Barcelona as a certainty after the presidential election is naïve.

Pep's name has already been mentioned by one of the lesser candidates for the job and would certainly feature if Laporta stands.
Latest opinion polls suggest Laporta will win if he throws his hat into the ring.

It's hilarious.

I can't even see the logic here - so they are Barca fans thus must always want to be at Barca no matter what?

Despite that fact that two of them aren't Barca fans but yeah

Help us with the logic in this one then? Begiristain is the Messi of DoFs. Pellegrini reports to Begiristain., Yet Pellegrini is following a youth policy that is not in the best interests of the club, and Begiristain has done nothing about it? I really can't see how you can reconcile those views.

 

[cleavers]

Marcos Lopes couldn't get a game under Pellegrini. Played every possible game for Lille. Rekik couldn't get a game, won the title at PSV. Denayer couldn't get a game, won the title at Celtic. Yet apparently Middlesbrough is too tough a fixture for them. Despite the fact that our players who aren't making it and will never play for City are getting loaned to the same division as Boro and beating them.

I'm not sure of the relevance of this sentence to the discussion on MP. None of those three could play against Middlesbrough, because they weren't here to do so, and they weren't here for the very reason that City (Txiki, not MP) wanted them to get experience of playing regularly at a higher level than the EDS in a competitive league. Surely this is better for their development, than waiting until the 3rd or 4th round of the LC, FAC, to get a game for City (or even the odd sub appearance in league games).

It would appear that they have indeed improved with this experience, so the MCFC (Txiki not MP) policy is a good one. Now, whether they come back good enough to become first team squad members, or move on is another debate.

Also the current EDS getting into the first team is a different debate, given that many of them are 18 or under, and in many cases they don't yet look physically ready for the PL challenge. The game on Sunday certainly wasn't one to throw them into imho, it could do more harm than good at this stage of their development, Southampton were a good and strong side, with something to play for, and our first team only just beat them with a good performance.

 

[OB1]

Who has suggested that? Certainly not me so don't imply that I have just so it fits your narrative.

Soriano as I've posted a few pages back is probably the best CEO in world football.

Txiki's record is more mixed.

Both will do their best for the club while they are here.

To suggest Pep (and potentially Soriano and Txiki) won't return to Barcelona as a certainty after the presidential election is naïve.

Pep's name has already been mentioned by one of the lesser candidates for the job and would certainly feature if Laporta stands.
Latest opinion polls suggest Laporta will win if he throws his hat into the ring.

It's hilarious.

I can't even see the logic here - so they are Barca fans thus must always want to be at Barca no matter what?

Despite that fact that two of them aren't Barca fans but yeah

Help us with the logic in this one then? Begiristain is the Messi of DoFs. Pellegrini reports to Begiristain., Yet Pellegrini is following a youth policy that is not in the best interests of the club, and Begiristain has done nothing about it? I really can't see how you can reconcile those views.

Even Damo is not infallible. I'm sure one of his earlier posts had Txiki down as Catalan but I'm pretty sure he is Basque.