Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2014/15 (continued)

[Damanino]

So lets say Pep arrives 2016 summer. Does he come for free or we will pay hefty compensation?

Which is basically the question of does he sign a new contract for Bayern this summer or not and if yes how long that is gonna be...

 

[baildon blue]

Re: Discussion: Manuel Pelleginterestingrini 2014/15 (contin

Interesting interview with Eriksson in World Soccer .
He says City should be doing better .
Fair point by Eriksson .
But if he was in charge instead of Pellergrini would we doing any better .
Not so sure .
Eriksson in China now

 

[BobKowalski]

Altering the course of the discussion for a moment...

Does anyone else think this is the most important summer period we've had since the takeover? I certainly do. This is the second time that a title defense has been very underwhelming, and I think that we're somewhat disjointed on the pitch. We've won two titles, and I'm not saying that either manager had nothing to do with it because they did, but a lot of what happened seemed to be highly-motivated, elite players overwhelming the opposition with their talent. We've just never been as cohesive as we should be and that's reflected in our European ventures in the Champions League.

So we come to this summer where we have several factors:

• A manager entering the last year before likely transitioning to another manager.
  
  You might think this is a minor thing but Pellegrini seems to have a very different philosophy from Guardiola. If we're employing Pellegrini for another year, will he be content to mold the team for his successor, or will he refuse to bend tactically until his back is completely against the wall, which is what he did this season?
  
  
• Aging players plus players who either don't fit the vision of the manager or the vision of the club at a strategic level.
  
  I love our players, but quite a few of them seem to sparkle in vastly different styles of play from each other. Fortunately, they're extremely talented individuals who can make it work, but is there anyone convinced that we can name a starting eleven sans the youth since they seem to have no chance at first-team play who fit together into a cohesive whole that can not only challenge Real Madrid or Barcelona et al. on a consistent level?
  
  
• Incoming transfer targets and youth policy is a subject that must be addressed.
  
  This is a bit murky for me. Is our academy a profit factory where we hope to occasionally find a gem, or is it going to be the primary focus with talent supplemented via transfers? If it's the former, okay. I can live with that although I don't prefer it. If it's the latter, they seem to be coached towards a very different tactical plan than the current manager prefers. Does that mean we tread water for a year and just hope for a trophy? Or do we go out and buy superstars that will fit Pellegrini's vision while delaying the youth already at the club?

The fact we have so many questions... or at least I have so many questions as others may see this as a clear situation with clear answers... makes this the most important transition summer we've had. Thoughts?

Note: I realize that some of this isn't strictly to do with the manager, but he's the lynch pin as far as making all this work.

Pellers minding the shop in the last year of his contract just doesn't work for me and never has. I don't see the players responding. I see the media having a field day every time we drop the ball. I see him being questioned as to whether the players are his players or Pep's players and so on. All I see is a season of drift and little focus. Also I don't see what's in it for Pellers except a hiding to nothing.

I don't view the squad or players as a mismash. I do think they struggle to play the way Pellers would like but then we don't actually attempt to do it that often and I think we get caught between what Pellers wants and the players would prefer leading to our inconsistency issues. In Europe we just need to be more savvy. Roma away showed what we can do. Roma at home showed what we all too often do which is under perform. Barca this year well we didn't do too badly as it turned out. But its more the bread and butter games in Europe that concern me.

For me the academy is there to provide first team players as its primary goal and raise cash as its secondary goal. Its here that Pellers has really disappointed with zero inclination shown to include academy players.

Its an important summer in that we have a chance to flex some financial muscle but I don't think its the most important summer since the takeover. The summer of 2010 was the most important in that it was the last chance to spend the cash and get into and cement a top three position and win trophies before FFP started to show its teeth.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

this is a mess up ;-((((

 

[McfcMK]

So lets say Pep arrives 2016 summer. Does he come for free or we will pay hefty compensation?

Which is basically the question of does he sign a new contract for Bayern this summer or not and if yes how long that is gonna be...

As it stand, if he joins us next season we don't need to pay for him, apart from any sign on fee that will come with his contract.

 

[chris85mcfc]

What if Pellegrini stays and goes on to win the league next year?

Do we then get rid of a manager who has won 2 titles and a league cup in 3 years, to bring in a manager (possibly Pep) who may struggle to adapt to the Premier League.

It clearly is all speculation, but we don't half open ourselves up to scrutiny with a manager going into his final year with no signs of him extending his stay.

 

[taconinja]

Altering the course of the discussion for a moment...

Does anyone else think this is the most important summer period we've had since the takeover? I certainly do. This is the second time that a title defense has been very underwhelming, and I think that we're somewhat disjointed on the pitch. We've won two titles, and I'm not saying that either manager had nothing to do with it because they did, but a lot of what happened seemed to be highly-motivated, elite players overwhelming the opposition with their talent. We've just never been as cohesive as we should be and that's reflected in our European ventures in the Champions League.

So we come to this summer where we have several factors:

• A manager entering the last year before likely transitioning to another manager.
  
  You might think this is a minor thing but Pellegrini seems to have a very different philosophy from Guardiola. If we're employing Pellegrini for another year, will he be content to mold the team for his successor, or will he refuse to bend tactically until his back is completely against the wall, which is what he did this season?
  
  
• Aging players plus players who either don't fit the vision of the manager or the vision of the club at a strategic level.
  
  I love our players, but quite a few of them seem to sparkle in vastly different styles of play from each other. Fortunately, they're extremely talented individuals who can make it work, but is there anyone convinced that we can name a starting eleven sans the youth since they seem to have no chance at first-team play who fit together into a cohesive whole that can not only challenge Real Madrid or Barcelona et al. on a consistent level?
  
  
• Incoming transfer targets and youth policy is a subject that must be addressed.
  
  This is a bit murky for me. Is our academy a profit factory where we hope to occasionally find a gem, or is it going to be the primary focus with talent supplemented via transfers? If it's the former, okay. I can live with that although I don't prefer it. If it's the latter, they seem to be coached towards a very different tactical plan than the current manager prefers. Does that mean we tread water for a year and just hope for a trophy? Or do we go out and buy superstars that will fit Pellegrini's vision while delaying the youth already at the club?

The fact we have so many questions... or at least I have so many questions as others may see this as a clear situation with clear answers... makes this the most important transition summer we've had. Thoughts?

Note: I realize that some of this isn't strictly to do with the manager, but he's the lynch pin as far as making all this work.

Are you ruling out Pellegrini extending his contract this summer and actually seeing it through?

If only due to the differing tactical style between his preferred team and the rest of the City setup unless I'm mistaken as to his preferences. I'm not ruling it out, but it does seem unlikely at the moment.

 

[cleavers]

What if Pellegrini stays and goes on to win the league next year?

He'd probably retire, especially if he knows the plan.

He'll get a nice cheque for doing a grand job, and go home and live happily ever after with his family, he might even stay on as a representative of the club, doing something part time in South America, I'm sure we'd be able to find something for him to do, if he wanted it.

 

[Marvin]

And what if Bayern decide to sack Guardiola? I think that's a 50/50. Presumably Pellegrini would go immediately with a years compensation

 

[Hungarian blue]

What if Pellegrini stays and goes on to win the league next year?

He'd probably retire, especially if he knows the plan.

He'll get a nice cheque for doing a grand job, and go home and live happily ever after with his family, he might even stay on as a representative of the club, doing something part time in South America, I'm sure we'd be able to find something for him to do, if he wanted it.

I think he would and should be doing great for a national team. At his age, it would seem as a sensible move to coach a South American NT for one world cup cycle, ideally I guess Chile, who even have great players at the moment. Or Argentina for that matter. Any of these destinations are more likely to accept his south-americanish 4-2-2-2 than City fans. :)