Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

[Deleted member 58678]

I'm not going to comment on the game last night.

Our form in all competitions since Burnley at Home on the 28th December.

W6
D4
L6

That really speaks for itself. The performance from the manager hasn't been acceptable. The performance from the players hasn't been acceptable. The signings haven't been acceptable. Somehow we have managed to lose a 10 point gap over some pretty average teams like United and Liverpool. It is worrying and drastic action needs to be taken by Khaldoon.

Everyone will hate the comparison but Fergiscum used to know when to get rid of big players and restart the cycle. We have failed at this. A lot of fans thought we should have got rid of Yaya in the summer and bought Pogba. Instead we have spent £30m on another striker when we have only just spent £40m on two strikers last year. Silva, Aguero, Hart and Zaba. Apart from that I wouldn't care who leaves but I would start with showing the manager the door as our form is unacceptable. Imagine the uproar at any top European team if they had 6 wins in 16.

Huge point in blue. Some people are saying it's the manager, some people are saying it's the players and some are blaming the DoF...yet in reality, the people working at Manchester City Football Club within the playing and management staff are not doing a good enough job from the DoF to the management team to the players. Not just individuals, as a collective.

We are playing like and have the form of a mid table side like Stoke or West Ham. We are not good to watch, we have slow monotonous passing that is just simply boring! The players are poor at the moment and have no confidence, they are not being motivated properly and not being made to play in good enough tactics, we are too open we have absolutely no defensive systems or structures in place and our set pieces are a joke. Plus the signings we've made since we signed Kun [coming up] four years ago (spending something like £250m on the way) have been NOWHERE NEAR the required standard to push us on to the level of the likes of the top sides in Europe, none of them have been at the standard of Silva and Kun and there've been loads come through the door. Obviously they aren't all going to be at that level but for NONE of them to be is alarmingly bad!

But the impression i get from our football club is that we are very soft and i'm not sure how much accountability individuals are put through as i think everyone is too nice for all that.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

The entire point of a DoF is so you can do exactly that IMO.

I also don't think going into the final year of his contract is a huge issue. It's not like a new contract guarantees he'll be around beyond next season or that the players will believe that.

If the manager doesnt have some input into signings then for me mate its doomed to failure, surely the two have to work in tandem? No problems with the DoF model but i have grave doubts TB is the man for the job.

I just hope Pep was there to talk to FS and TB last night, we would have been obliterated last night if it wasnt for Joe, they appear to have downed tools and only riased themselves last night because they were on stage at Barcelona.

Dooooomed! Haha. Sorry I couldn't resist. ;)

I'll be honest I said to the missus last night that it was the end of an era for that group of players n. She asked how the era ending had gone. I thought about it. 2 titles and two cups in five years finishing no lower than 3rd. It went very well even if we didn't crack Europe.

I have ultimate faith in Khaldoon therefore I have ultimate faith the next five years will be just as successful and who knows maybe we'll crack Europe too.

I'm excited about the rebuilding whoever does it.

It shouldn't have to be a rebuilding exercise. Whoever has let it get to this should be grilled as to why. Why are all of our top players all in the same age bracket (bar Kun)? Why has the majority of the last £250m we've spent been on squad players while that core group we have just all got older together...that is really poor Direction from the club? Why haven't we got any exciting, potential world class 18-22 year olds in the squad whatsoever?

 

[BillyShears]

If the manager doesnt have some input into signings then for me mate its doomed to failure, surely the two have to work in tandem? No problems with the DoF model but i have grave doubts TB is the man for the job.

I just hope Pep was there to talk to FS and TB last night, we would have been obliterated last night if it wasnt for Joe, they appear to have downed tools and only riased themselves last night because they were on stage at Barcelona.

Dooooomed! Haha. Sorry I couldn't resist. ;)

I'll be honest I said to the missus last night that it was the end of an era for that group of players n. She asked how the era ending had gone. I thought about it. 2 titles and two cups in five years finishing no lower than 3rd. It went very well even if we didn't crack Europe.

I have ultimate faith in Khaldoon therefore I have ultimate faith the next five years will be just as successful and who knows maybe we'll crack Europe too.

I'm excited about the rebuilding whoever does it.

It shouldn't have to be a rebuilding exercise. Whoever has let it get to this should be grilled as to why. Why are all of our top players all in the same age bracket (bar Kun)? Why has the majority of the last £250m we've spent been on squad players while that core group we have just all got older together...that is really poor Direction from the club? Why haven't we got any exciting, potential world class 18-22 year olds in the squad whatsoever?

It seems the difference between me and a few posters on here is that I'm not interested in over analysing the last four years spending because I believe that there have been mitigating circumstances as to why we haven't seemingly added to the first teamers from the summer of 2011.

Looking forward though is exciting and I do think this summer needs to be spot on so I'll be happy to judge/analyse the job Txiki and co do after the summer.

 

[Danamy]

I stayed off last night bar one post in the post match and slept on it.

As fantastic as Barca are, we were poor i thought for a side that's won arguably the most difficult domestic competition twice in the last 3 years. Yes we put the effort in 2nd half but it was still men against boys and it felt like they were the cat toying the the mouse (us).

Getting beat off Barca again is no big surprise and yes we have been both hamstrung squad wise and unlucky with the draw but it still didn't excuse what was generally a poor performance on the very biggest stage.

Players out of form and players on the way out account for it but the buck stops with the manager and he is staring down the barrel right now.

Worse of all was the body language, yes, that old chestnut of Kun who looked disinterested for most of the game and constantly throwing his arms up in the air and looking fucked off with his team mates whilst not doing much himself if im honest.

I like the gaffer but he has got to show us in the remaining league games he can fix what is evidently broken right now.

We need to open our eyes to the quality of Real, Bayern and Barca and look to emulate their squads. Domestically we are good but all English sides are out of Europe now aside from Everton in the Europa league - where are they in the league now?! Whilst Chelsea and Arsenal probably should have gone through, they have players who will improve as they get towards their peak. We have players generally past that which is even more problematic.

Time to press re-fresh I think. Time to build for the future by getting some pace and hunger into the side with younger players. It might cost a lot and people say it's not fantasy football. Do those same people see Real Madrid and Bayern Munich's squads... tell me that's not fantasy football!

You've read the script then?

 

[crystal_mais]

Dooooomed! Haha. Sorry I couldn't resist. ;)

I'll be honest I said to the missus last night that it was the end of an era for that group of players n. She asked how the era ending had gone. I thought about it. 2 titles and two cups in five years finishing no lower than 3rd. It went very well even if we didn't crack Europe.

I have ultimate faith in Khaldoon therefore I have ultimate faith the next five years will be just as successful and who knows maybe we'll crack Europe too.

I'm excited about the rebuilding whoever does it.

It shouldn't have to be a rebuilding exercise. Whoever has let it get to this should be grilled as to why. Why are all of our top players all in the same age bracket (bar Kun)? Why has the majority of the last £250m we've spent been on squad players while that core group we have just all got older together...that is really poor Direction from the club? Why haven't we got any exciting, potential world class 18-22 year olds in the squad whatsoever?

It seems the difference between me and a few posters on here is that I'm not interested in over analysing the last four years spending because I believe that there have been mitigating circumstances as to why we haven't seemingly added to the first teamers from the summer of 2011.

Looking forward though is exciting and I do think this summer needs to be spot on so I'll be happy to judge/analyse the job Txiki and co do after the summer.

And Tkixi has only had 2 summer windows and basically had to balance the books -

 

[BillyShears]

It shouldn't have to be a rebuilding exercise. Whoever has let it get to this should be grilled as to why. Why are all of our top players all in the same age bracket (bar Kun)? Why has the majority of the last £250m we've spent been on squad players while that core group we have just all got older together...that is really poor Direction from the club? Why haven't we got any exciting, potential world class 18-22 year olds in the squad whatsoever?

It seems the difference between me and a few posters on here is that I'm not interested in over analysing the last four years spending because I believe that there have been mitigating circumstances as to why we haven't seemingly added to the first teamers from the summer of 2011.

Looking forward though is exciting and I do think this summer needs to be spot on so I'll be happy to judge/analyse the job Txiki and co do after the summer.

And Tkixi has only had 2 summer windows and basically had to balance the books -

Careful mate that sounds an awful lot like giving the powers that be the benefit of the doubt. We don't do that in this new era of I want it all or I'm sacking everyone. ;)

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Dooooomed! Haha. Sorry I couldn't resist. ;)

I'll be honest I said to the missus last night that it was the end of an era for that group of players n. She asked how the era ending had gone. I thought about it. 2 titles and two cups in five years finishing no lower than 3rd. It went very well even if we didn't crack Europe.

I have ultimate faith in Khaldoon therefore I have ultimate faith the next five years will be just as successful and who knows maybe we'll crack Europe too.

I'm excited about the rebuilding whoever does it.

It shouldn't have to be a rebuilding exercise. Whoever has let it get to this should be grilled as to why. Why are all of our top players all in the same age bracket (bar Kun)? Why has the majority of the last £250m we've spent been on squad players while that core group we have just all got older together...that is really poor Direction from the club? Why haven't we got any exciting, potential world class 18-22 year olds in the squad whatsoever?

It seems the difference between me and a few posters on here is that I'm not interested in over analysing the last four years spending because I believe that there have been mitigating circumstances as to why we haven't seemingly added to the first teamers from the summer of 2011.

Looking forward though is exciting and I do think this summer needs to be spot on so I'll be happy to judge/analyse the job Txiki and co do after the summer.

There have been mitigating factors and on that basis I fully I agree that Txiki needs to be judged over the next 2 or 3 windows rather than the last 2 or 3. What does worry me though is that while I can accept the inevitable hit and miss nature of having to hunt around for relative bargains, when he has splashed bigger cash with us, those buys in particular have looked poor value IMO. He's going to have a lot more money to spend soon so he needs to start getting the more expensive deals right from now on.

 

[chris85mcfc]

It shouldn't have to be a rebuilding exercise. Whoever has let it get to this should be grilled as to why. Why are all of our top players all in the same age bracket (bar Kun)? Why has the majority of the last £250m we've spent been on squad players while that core group we have just all got older together...that is really poor Direction from the club? Why haven't we got any exciting, potential world class 18-22 year olds in the squad whatsoever?

It seems the difference between me and a few posters on here is that I'm not interested in over analysing the last four years spending because I believe that there have been mitigating circumstances as to why we haven't seemingly added to the first teamers from the summer of 2011.

Looking forward though is exciting and I do think this summer needs to be spot on so I'll be happy to judge/analyse the job Txiki and co do after the summer.

And Tkixi has only had 2 summer windows and basically had to balance the books -

Balance the books?

Are you aware that we have spent about £200million on players since he has come in, and yet only 3 of them started last night, with Sagna and Demichelis costing next to nothing.

The fact is he has done a bang average job in bringing players in, and tbh I'm actually starting to point the finger at him and his scouting team as opposed to Pellegrini.

 

[BillyShears]

It shouldn't have to be a rebuilding exercise. Whoever has let it get to this should be grilled as to why. Why are all of our top players all in the same age bracket (bar Kun)? Why has the majority of the last £250m we've spent been on squad players while that core group we have just all got older together...that is really poor Direction from the club? Why haven't we got any exciting, potential world class 18-22 year olds in the squad whatsoever?

It seems the difference between me and a few posters on here is that I'm not interested in over analysing the last four years spending because I believe that there have been mitigating circumstances as to why we haven't seemingly added to the first teamers from the summer of 2011.

Looking forward though is exciting and I do think this summer needs to be spot on so I'll be happy to judge/analyse the job Txiki and co do after the summer.

There have been mitigating factors and on that basis I fully I agree that Txiki needs to be judged over the next 2 or 3 windows rather than the last 2 or 3. What does worry me though is that while I can accept the inevitable hit and miss nature of having to hunt around for relative bargains, when he has splashed bigger cash with us, those buys in particular have looked poor value IMO. He's going to have a lot more money to spend soon so he needs to start getting the more expensive deals right from now on.

He just needs to nail this summer. In terms of big money I'd say his record at City is ok. Over 20 million players have all with the exception of Jovetic been worth it. I really rate Mangala even if he's played a lot less than I thought he would.

I do take your point though. As I say this summer needs to be nailed.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

It seems the difference between me and a few posters on here is that I'm not interested in over analysing the last four years spending because I believe that there have been mitigating circumstances as to why we haven't seemingly added to the first teamers from the summer of 2011.

Looking forward though is exciting and I do think this summer needs to be spot on so I'll be happy to judge/analyse the job Txiki and co do after the summer.

And Tkixi has only had 2 summer windows and basically had to balance the books -

Balance the books?

Are you aware that we have spent about £200million on players since he has come in, and yet only 3 of them started last night, with Sagna and Demichelis costing next to nothing.

The fact is he has done a bang average job in bringing players in, and tbh I'm actually starting to point the finger at him and his scouting team as opposed to Pellegrini.

It isn't worth pointing the finger at any one aspect of things IMO. It seems pretty clear to me that it is a mixture of things that has led us to this relatively poor situation we find oursevles in. The transfer business hasn't been great, UEFA have made things difficult for us, the manager has definitely made some errors and hasn't learnt from mistakes, the players seem to have become complacent and aren't playing to anywhere near their potential. It isn't one thing and no doubt it is going to take a bit of sorting out. But on the more positive side of things, we are coming out of the other side in terms of FFP, a couple of genuinely top signings should be possible and if we get them right it should freshen things up and galvanise the other players. The issue of the manager is the big one though, do we trust him to take us forward after this season? I don't, just because I don't think we have consistently defended properly since he came in and I don't think we ever will under him.