mosssideblue said:TrueBlue1705 said:Brainless ....He benches players like Navas and Milner who run themselves into the ground for the team and loves Nasri and Yaya who are both a pair of lazy, gutless prima donnas ....
His tactics and team selections are mind-boggling ... What are his tactics???? Attack, attack, attack .... OK against bottom half premier league teams but you get found out at the elite level for being clueless, selecting the wrong players and choosing the wrong formations....
Cannot agree with that. Yes, the outcome was that what you said with Yaya and Nasri, but a Manager has a right to expect players of their standing to put a shift in.
If he thought they would perform like thet did, do you think he would have selected them?
Your tactics appear to want to use hindsight to beat the Manager up with.
Mister Appointment said:supercity88 said:blueinsa said:I stayed off last night bar one post in the post match and slept on it.
As fantastic as Barca are, we were poor i thought for a side that's won arguably the most difficult domestic competition twice in the last 3 years. Yes we put the effort in 2nd half but it was still men against boys and it felt like they were the cat toying the the mouse (us).
Getting beat off Barca again is no big surprise and yes we have been both hamstrung squad wise and unlucky with the draw but it still didn't excuse what was generally a poor performance on the very biggest stage.
Players out of form and players on the way out account for it but the buck stops with the manager and he is staring down the barrel right now.
Worse of all was the body language, yes, that old chestnut of Kun who looked disinterested for most of the game and constantly throwing his arms up in the air and looking fucked off with his team mates whilst not doing much himself if im honest.
I like the gaffer but he has got to show us in the remaining league games he can fix what is evidently broken right now.
I think you are giving us too much credit. We've won the league yes and that's not to be debated... but with the squad we have and in comparison to others we should have been winning it. We should have won it for the past three years really. Barcelona are a million miles ahead of us. There's not a side in the country who could have dealt with that last night. Even the organisation of Chelsea would have struggled with Messi's constant mix of direct running, quick pass and move football and his ability to pass it behind our defence onto a sixpence. He was incredible.
We lacked the fight required from the whole squad. Yaya was jogging around the middle then gesticulating when Barca carved us open. I've not seen a single game in Europe where all of our team has been on the money. That's why we are out of the competition again. Barca make us look like amateurs, we struggle to keep the ball and that's because we just aren't good enough. The toughest domestic competition? I'm not so sure. I think we get a lot of time on the ball and I think generally we are our own worse enemy on the pitch. The reason we drop points tends to be over commiting players forward and conceding on the break, or failing to break teams down. I'd say it's more competitive because the top sides have dramatically declined.
When we won the league in 2012 we were developing as a side. The likes of Barry, Lescott etc were good at domestic level but no where near what is required in Europe. Look at some of the other sides to have won the prem - Vidic and Wio - a class act across Europe, Chelsea had Claude Makelele in their title winning sides with Mourinho's first stint and John Terry another consistent and renowned defender. I think the level is starting to improve but Fabregas has been one of the best players here, he wasn't in Barca's first team plans... we've had to re-assess because of FFP but I hope we can now lure some of the top class players from across the World to the club to take us to that next level.
We need to open our eyes to the quality of Real, Bayern and Barca and look to emulate their squads. Domestically we are good but all English sides are out of Europe now aside from Everton in the Europa league - where are they in the league now?! Whilst Chelsea and Arsenal probably should have gone through, they have players who will improve as they get towards their peak. We have players generally past that which is even more problematic.
Time to press re-fresh I think. Time to build for the future by getting some pace and hunger into the side with younger players. It might cost a lot and people say it's not fantasy football. Do those same people see Real Madrid and Bayern Munich's squads... tell me that's not fantasy football!
Cracking post. I'd like to add to it but I'm on my phone will endeavour to do so tonight.
I too only think the Prem is the viewed as the best league in the world because the quality of the top sides is very poor in comparison to the other top leagues. I'd say Atleti would probably win the Prem but they're fourth in La Liga. Barca and Madrid would have won the Prem in every season in the last six or seven years as easily as they've won La Liga. They're that far ahead of us.supercity88 said:blueinsa said:I stayed off last night bar one post in the post match and slept on it.
As fantastic as Barca are, we were poor i thought for a side that's won arguably the most difficult domestic competition twice in the last 3 years. Yes we put the effort in 2nd half but it was still men against boys and it felt like they were the cat toying the the mouse (us).
Getting beat off Barca again is no big surprise and yes we have been both hamstrung squad wise and unlucky with the draw but it still didn't excuse what was generally a poor performance on the very biggest stage.
Players out of form and players on the way out account for it but the buck stops with the manager and he is staring down the barrel right now.
Worse of all was the body language, yes, that old chestnut of Kun who looked disinterested for most of the game and constantly throwing his arms up in the air and looking fucked off with his team mates whilst not doing much himself if im honest.
I like the gaffer but he has got to show us in the remaining league games he can fix what is evidently broken right now.
I think you are giving us too much credit. We've won the league yes and that's not to be debated... but with the squad we have and in comparison to others we should have been winning it. We should have won it for the past three years really. Barcelona are a million miles ahead of us. There's not a side in the country who could have dealt with that last night. Even the organisation of Chelsea would have struggled with Messi's constant mix of direct running, quick pass and move football and his ability to pass it behind our defence onto a sixpence. He was incredible.
We lacked the fight required from the whole squad. Yaya was jogging around the middle then gesticulating when Barca carved us open. I've not seen a single game in Europe where all of our team has been on the money. That's why we are out of the competition again. Barca make us look like amateurs, we struggle to keep the ball and that's because we just aren't good enough. The toughest domestic competition? I'm not so sure. I think we get a lot of time on the ball and I think generally we are our own worse enemy on the pitch. The reason we drop points tends to be over commiting players forward and conceding on the break, or failing to break teams down. I'd say it's more competitive because the top sides have dramatically declined.
When we won the league in 2012 we were developing as a side. The likes of Barry, Lescott etc were good at domestic level but no where near what is required in Europe. Look at some of the other sides to have won the prem - Vidic and Wio - a class act across Europe, Chelsea had Claude Makelele in their title winning sides with Mourinho's first stint and John Terry another consistent and renowned defender. I think the level is starting to improve but Fabregas has been one of the best players here, he wasn't in Barca's first team plans... we've had to re-assess because of FFP but I hope we can now lure some of the top class players from across the World to the club to take us to that next level.
We need to open our eyes to the quality of Real, Bayern and Barca and look to emulate their squads. Domestically we are good but all English sides are out of Europe now aside from Everton in the Europa league - where are they in the league now?! Whilst Chelsea and Arsenal probably should have gone through, they have players who will improve as they get towards their peak. We have players generally past that which is even more problematic.
Time to press re-fresh I think. Time to build for the future by getting some pace and hunger into the side with younger players. It might cost a lot and people say it's not fantasy football. Do those same people see Real Madrid and Bayern Munich's squads... tell me that's not fantasy football!
flb said:Mister Appointment said:flb said:[/b]
Whilst Vinny was injured you mean
Yes he was and which of those matches against three of the top 10 teams in Europe did we lose with Mangala playing?
So it was all down to Mangala then that we either drew or won games?
Here's the list of big games he didnt play in
Liverpool home won
Arsenal away drew
Bayern away lost
Roma home drew
CSKA home lost
United home won
Arsenal home lost
Chelsea away drew
Barcelona home lost
TrueBlue1705 said:mosssideblue said:TrueBlue1705 said:Brainless ....He benches players like Navas and Milner who run themselves into the ground for the team and loves Nasri and Yaya who are both a pair of lazy, gutless prima donnas ....
His tactics and team selections are mind-boggling ... What are his tactics???? Attack, attack, attack .... OK against bottom half premier league teams but you get found out at the elite level for being clueless, selecting the wrong players and choosing the wrong formations....
Cannot agree with that. Yes, the outcome was that what you said with Yaya and Nasri, but a Manager has a right to expect players of their standing to put a shift in.
If he thought they would perform like thet did, do you think he would have selected them?
Your tactics appear to want to use hindsight to beat the Manager up with.
Two players I would not EXPECT to put a shift in Nasri and Yaya ... Are people finally realising they're a pair of prima donnas, great when we're hammering teams but when we're in the trenches both are f*cking useless ... If they're not gone in the summer my season ticket is going .... We need the right culture at the club and those two don't fit in a hard working, selfless team environment...
BringBackSwales said:Mister Appointment said:supercity88 said:I think you are giving us too much credit. We've won the league yes and that's not to be debated... but with the squad we have and in comparison to others we should have been winning it. We should have won it for the past three years really. Barcelona are a million miles ahead of us. There's not a side in the country who could have dealt with that last night. Even the organisation of Chelsea would have struggled with Messi's constant mix of direct running, quick pass and move football and his ability to pass it behind our defence onto a sixpence. He was incredible.
We lacked the fight required from the whole squad. Yaya was jogging around the middle then gesticulating when Barca carved us open. I've not seen a single game in Europe where all of our team has been on the money. That's why we are out of the competition again. Barca make us look like amateurs, we struggle to keep the ball and that's because we just aren't good enough. The toughest domestic competition? I'm not so sure. I think we get a lot of time on the ball and I think generally we are our own worse enemy on the pitch. The reason we drop points tends to be over commiting players forward and conceding on the break, or failing to break teams down. I'd say it's more competitive because the top sides have dramatically declined.
When we won the league in 2012 we were developing as a side. The likes of Barry, Lescott etc were good at domestic level but no where near what is required in Europe. Look at some of the other sides to have won the prem - Vidic and Wio - a class act across Europe, Chelsea had Claude Makelele in their title winning sides with Mourinho's first stint and John Terry another consistent and renowned defender. I think the level is starting to improve but Fabregas has been one of the best players here, he wasn't in Barca's first team plans... we've had to re-assess because of FFP but I hope we can now lure some of the top class players from across the World to the club to take us to that next level.
We need to open our eyes to the quality of Real, Bayern and Barca and look to emulate their squads. Domestically we are good but all English sides are out of Europe now aside from Everton in the Europa league - where are they in the league now?! Whilst Chelsea and Arsenal probably should have gone through, they have players who will improve as they get towards their peak. We have players generally past that which is even more problematic.
Time to press re-fresh I think. Time to build for the future by getting some pace and hunger into the side with younger players. It might cost a lot and people say it's not fantasy football. Do those same people see Real Madrid and Bayern Munich's squads... tell me that's not fantasy football!
Cracking post. I'd like to add to it but I'm on my phone will endeavour to do so tonight.
can't fucking wait
KippaxCitizen said:I too only think the Prem is the viewed as the best league in the world because the quality of the top sides is very poor in comparison to the other top leagues. I'd say Atleti would probably win the Prem but they're fourth in La Liga. Barca and Madrid would have won the Prem in every season in the last six or seven years as easily as they've won La Liga. They're that far ahead of us.supercity88 said:blueinsa said:I stayed off last night bar one post in the post match and slept on it.
As fantastic as Barca are, we were poor i thought for a side that's won arguably the most difficult domestic competition twice in the last 3 years. Yes we put the effort in 2nd half but it was still men against boys and it felt like they were the cat toying the the mouse (us).
Getting beat off Barca again is no big surprise and yes we have been both hamstrung squad wise and unlucky with the draw but it still didn't excuse what was generally a poor performance on the very biggest stage.
Players out of form and players on the way out account for it but the buck stops with the manager and he is staring down the barrel right now.
Worse of all was the body language, yes, that old chestnut of Kun who looked disinterested for most of the game and constantly throwing his arms up in the air and looking fucked off with his team mates whilst not doing much himself if im honest.
I like the gaffer but he has got to show us in the remaining league games he can fix what is evidently broken right now.
I think you are giving us too much credit. We've won the league yes and that's not to be debated... but with the squad we have and in comparison to others we should have been winning it. We should have won it for the past three years really. Barcelona are a million miles ahead of us. There's not a side in the country who could have dealt with that last night. Even the organisation of Chelsea would have struggled with Messi's constant mix of direct running, quick pass and move football and his ability to pass it behind our defence onto a sixpence. He was incredible.
We lacked the fight required from the whole squad. Yaya was jogging around the middle then gesticulating when Barca carved us open. I've not seen a single game in Europe where all of our team has been on the money. That's why we are out of the competition again. Barca make us look like amateurs, we struggle to keep the ball and that's because we just aren't good enough. The toughest domestic competition? I'm not so sure. I think we get a lot of time on the ball and I think generally we are our own worse enemy on the pitch. The reason we drop points tends to be over commiting players forward and conceding on the break, or failing to break teams down. I'd say it's more competitive because the top sides have dramatically declined.
When we won the league in 2012 we were developing as a side. The likes of Barry, Lescott etc were good at domestic level but no where near what is required in Europe. Look at some of the other sides to have won the prem - Vidic and Wio - a class act across Europe, Chelsea had Claude Makelele in their title winning sides with Mourinho's first stint and John Terry another consistent and renowned defender. I think the level is starting to improve but Fabregas has been one of the best players here, he wasn't in Barca's first team plans... we've had to re-assess because of FFP but I hope we can now lure some of the top class players from across the World to the club to take us to that next level.
We need to open our eyes to the quality of Real, Bayern and Barca and look to emulate their squads. Domestically we are good but all English sides are out of Europe now aside from Everton in the Europa league - where are they in the league now?! Whilst Chelsea and Arsenal probably should have gone through, they have players who will improve as they get towards their peak. We have players generally past that which is even more problematic.
Time to press re-fresh I think. Time to build for the future by getting some pace and hunger into the side with younger players. It might cost a lot and people say it's not fantasy football. Do those same people see Real Madrid and Bayern Munich's squads... tell me that's not fantasy football!
Mister Appointment said:flb said:Mister Appointment said:The entire point of a DoF is so you can do exactly that IMO.
I also don't think going into the final year of his contract is a huge issue. It's not like a new contract guarantees he'll be around beyond next season or that the players will believe that.
If the manager doesnt have some input into signings then for me mate its doomed to failure, surely the two have to work in tandem? No problems with the DoF model but i have grave doubts TB is the man for the job.
I just hope Pep was there to talk to FS and TB last night, we would have been obliterated last night if it wasnt for Joe, they appear to have downed tools and only riased themselves last night because they were on stage at Barcelona.
Dooooomed! Haha. Sorry I couldn't resist. ;)
I'll be honest I said to the missus last night that it was the end of an era for that group of players n. She asked how the era ending had gone. I thought about it. 2 titles and two cups in five years finishing no lower than 3rd. It went very well even if we didn't crack Europe.
I have ultimate faith in Khaldoon therefore I have ultimate faith the next five years will be just as successful and who knows maybe we'll crack Europe too.
I'm excited about the rebuilding whoever does it.