Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

[kippaxmemories]

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Completely agree mate. A huge summer for us. We need to buy a couple of ready made, top quality players to propel us forward. We haven't bought a 'star' since Aguero. We need a reinvigoration of the team with energy and enthusiasm. A couple of young prospects too. We can't but just 'good' players again. We need to buy a couple of genuine top quality players who will immediately improve our XI; it needs it.[/quote]


I agree with this, we need a top level signing especially for Europe. Personally I would keep hold of Pellers for another year and see if we Pep is available the summer of 2016

 

[mosssideblue]

Balance the books?

Are you aware that we have spent about £200million on players since he has come in, and yet only 3 of them started last night, with Sagna and Demichelis costing next to nothing.

The fact is he has done a bang average job in bringing players in, and tbh I'm actually starting to point the finger at him and his scouting team as opposed to Pellegrini.

go and do some maths - you seem to be on a single man crusade to vilify Tkixi and his work - outgoings vs incoming = net spend; couple that with restrictions and number 1 targets choosing elsewhere on some occasions.

like I said hands tied behind their backs

The fact still remains, we have spent a lot of money, you can look at net or gross spend its up to you.

It all points to the fact that the players we have brought in simply aren't good enough to improve us as a team, hence why none of the big signings can get a game.

I dont believe that to be true. Putting new signings into a team that isn't functioning does not enable them to fully display what they were bought for. Its just a mask to hide behind the fact that there are one or two "special" team members who have a different agenda to the team, and are dragging those around them down.

Once we off load them, it might be possible to assert whether those newbies are good enough or not

 

[chris85mcfc]

go and do some maths - you seem to be on a single man crusade to vilify Tkixi and his work - outgoings vs incoming = net spend; couple that with restrictions and number 1 targets choosing elsewhere on some occasions.

like I said hands tied behind their backs

The fact still remains, we have spent a lot of money, you can look at net or gross spend its up to you.

It all points to the fact that the players we have brought in simply aren't good enough to improve us as a team, hence why none of the big signings can get a game.

I know the point you are trying to make but you are making it sound a bit too black and white. Yes we have spent money and yes the players haven't been good enough but our position has been that we have needed to sign players to fill certain positions and therefore have had to balance our budgets. If we can get to a stage where our spending doesn't have to be so regulated we can spend big money on one or two positions. Over the past couple of years we've had to sell 3 or 4 players to fund the signing of one new player. Chelsea have been able to do much more in the transfer market because they've been able to sell their own players for decent money.

We've done okay considering we've needed to fill positions. Moving forward we can now look to sign real quality and not make stop gap signings. At the end of the day Negredo has been good for us, his goals last season and the money we'll recoup from his sale makes it a good signing. Jovetic could've been a quality signing...it's not worked out. Fernando is far and away the worst signing we've made and I think Caballero was a pointless signing too.

It's a bit black and white, mainly because I'm posting at work and trying to get shit done :)

But yeah that's what I'm getting at and I appreciate that we have had outgoings. But we needed a top centre half to play alongside Kompany, and personally I don't think Mangala has been given enough of a chance to prove himself, he gets brought in and out out of the team too often for my liking.

As a management team you have to accept criticism if you spend big money on the likes of Mangala and yet they are left out in big games. He may be one for the future but we needed one for the present.

Fernando was brought in for CL games like last night, but I agree he simply isn't good enough.

If the gloves are off this summer then Txiki has to get it spot on or we could find ourselves in a really precarious position.

 

[Damocles]

How is the managers rotation policy the fault of the DoF?

 

[BobKowalski]

And Tkixi has only had 2 summer windows and basically had to balance the books -

Balancing the books is part of his job not an excuse for any shortcomings. Chelsea have to balance the books. PSG operate under the same FFP restrictions. Our transfer business was targeted and deliberate but has not worked as we no doubt hoped.

The season as a whole has not worked as we no doubt hoped and has been littered with unacceptable performances. Since the turn of the year our form has fallen off a cliff and there has been a bad vibe from the camp that is getting worse not better.

Responsibility for this falls within Txiki's remit and having to 'balance the books' isn't going to cut it. I do not expect Txiki to get canned for this season (that will be Pellers) but he should get caned.

Again put a pragmatic hat on and look at it - PSG yes had to work within limitations, Chelsea have not - PSG have more than 1 star - as they already had that in place so they just needed to tweak - this side has needed a good tweak for a few years - but big boss man wants to comply to restrictions and as Khaldoon has said - they will take the pinch

Bigger picture - can't have everything every year - Chelsea went 4 years getting their shit together for this new push - they won a few trophies to tick over - surely that's how these cycles work. I agree maybe some of Tkixi Plan B signings are questionable - but 2 trophies last year and still 2nd - I'll take that now. That's all people are moaning about are the signings (assuming Mangala & Fernando) - I believe Mangala will come good


Onwards and upwards with Pelle and the bosses

I agree on the bigger picture and said as much. We are having a disappointing season but it happens. Chelsea worked within FFP and funded incomings with outgoings and did it very well but they are still working within the restrictions placed on them by FFP. PSG had the same penalties and are doing a better job than us. If they were in a better position to cope then that is our fault for not being in that position. Our disappointing season means there will be an accounting and Txiki will take his share of it because that's the way it works.

Pellers is toast but that's just a personal opinion based on the last month or so. Some will disagree and that's fine.

 

[crystal_mais]

Balance the books?

Are you aware that we have spent about £200million on players since he has come in, and yet only 3 of them started last night, with Sagna and Demichelis costing next to nothing.

The fact is he has done a bang average job in bringing players in, and tbh I'm actually starting to point the finger at him and his scouting team as opposed to Pellegrini.

go and do some maths - you seem to be on a single man crusade to vilify Tkixi and his work - outgoings vs incoming = net spend; couple that with restrictions and number 1 targets choosing elsewhere on some occasions.

like I said hands tied behind their backs

What's the word amongst your AD connections re: Pellegrini mate?

sshhhh! might upset some -

 

[BillyShears]

go and do some maths - you seem to be on a single man crusade to vilify Tkixi and his work - outgoings vs incoming = net spend; couple that with restrictions and number 1 targets choosing elsewhere on some occasions.

like I said hands tied behind their backs

What's the word amongst your AD connections re: Pellegrini mate?

sshhhh! might upset some -

PM ME TOUT SUITE PLEASE !

 

[BigOscar]

Honestly don't think he did anything wrong at all last night, but it just highlighted the problems we have. In hindsight, Navas should have started instead of Nasri, but we needed a special performance and Nasri has the higher ceiling, so it's understandable. He was always either going to be special or a complete shithouse, and unfortunately it was the latter. I think yesterday more just highlighted the gaping "Yaya problem" in the middle of our team. Pellegrini's hands are tied by the fact that he is our only central midfielder who is good enough with the ball to dominate a game, but he brings with him so many problems that are impossible to fix. He brought Milner in, but then we see the problem of how our grafters aren't at the technical level required to play these games.

For me, the game just ruthlessly exposed the problems in our squad and showed how hard it is for Pellegrini to do anything about it. We have players who aren't good enough, along with players who cannot be trusted to put in the amount of work required. We don't have enough players who are both good enough and have the right attitude. Hopefully the people in charge were already aware of this and were planning on doing something about it in the summer, but if they weren't already then this shone a light on it.

My only real grievance is that we spent the money on Bony in January, when it was clear to everyone that we needed a creative CM as an alternative to Yaya far more urgently. I have to assume that it's part of a bigger plan and the long term one we want wasn't available untill the summer and we were just hoping that we could get away with it untill the end of the season, otherwise it was a very strange decision.

 

[crystal_mais]

Honestly don't think he did anything wrong at all last night, but it just highlighted the problems we have. In hindsight, Navas should have started instead of Nasri, but we needed a special performance and Nasri has the higher ceiling, so it's understandable. He was always either going to be special or a complete shithouse, and unfortunately it was the latter. I think yesterday more just highlighted the gaping "Yaya problem" in the middle of our team. Pellegrini's hands are tied by the fact that he is our only central midfielder who is good enough with the ball to dominate a game, but he brings with him so many problems that are impossible to fix. He brought Milner in, but then we see the problem of how our grafters aren't at the technical level required to play these games.

For me, the game just ruthlessly exposed the problems in our squad and showed how hard it is for Pellegrini to do anything about it. We have players who aren't good enough, along with players who cannot be trusted to put in the amount of work required. We don't have enough players who are both good enough and have the right attitude. Hopefully the people in charge were already aware of this and were planning on doing something about it in the summer, but if they weren't already then this shone a light on it.

My only real grievance is that we spent the money on Bony in January, when it was clear to everyone that we needed a creative CM as an alternative to Yaya far more urgently. I have to assume that it's part of a bigger plan and the long term one we want wasn't available untill the summer and we were just hoping that we could get away with it untill the end of the season, otherwise it was a very strange decision.

Yep - said that to my mates in the pub before the game - hope he starts with Navas - but I got why he chose Nasri - for ball retention - but he didn't turn up and I blame him for losing the ball in a positive situation which led to their break for the goal

 

[halfcenturyup]

TOUT DE SUITE

What's the word amongst your AD connections re: Pellegrini mate?

sshhhh! might upset some -

PM ME TOUT SUITE PLEASE !