Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

[aguero93:20]

You think if he'd have got his desired job at Bayern he wouldn't have had to adapt somewhat?

He didn't get his job at Bayern though, they weren't interested.

 

[RichardDunneOwnGoal]

He didn't get his job at Bayern though, they weren't interested.

Yeah, because they have Guardiola. Our top managerial target.

Let's hope Bayern prove to be the ones that dropped the bollock and he doesn't renew.

 

[aguero93:20]

Yeah, because they have Guardiola. Our top managerial target.

Let's hope Bayern prove to be the ones that dropped the bollock and he doesn't renew.

He's not renewing, that much is fairly clear at this stage. They still weren't interested in Klopp.

 

[schfc6]

Guardiola won a double in his first season at the club. Only a CL semi final exit to the eventual winners Real came between them and the treble.

I totally reject the idea that he's taken them backwards. I simply do not agree.

I'm not saying it's Pep or bust, or that we're 'doomed' if we fail to land him. Give it a rest with the strawman arguments. I've made my points quite clear.

I think Klopp and Giardiola are two managers who represent a clear upgrade on Pellegrini, two managers who have longevity in the game with youth on their side and with all the boxes we need ticking:

The ability to integrate youth.

The ability to be tactically flexible.

The ability to play attractive football.

The track record of success domestically.

The track record of success in Europe, consistently reaching the latter stages of the Champions League.

Pellegrini is a good manager, but he's not a top one. And crucially, he's at an age now where we need to think about replacing him soon enough anyway.

As Txiki and Soriano have said, they believe in cycles of managers, I think Pellegrini's should come to a close next summer.

We've missed out on one of the two outstanding candidates now, and if we miss out on the other, then yes, it will be a major blow.

It won't be the end of the world, but it'll be a considerable blow. And will probably lead to us taking another managerial sideways step when we come to replace Manuel (whenever that may be), and still coming up short when it comes to having a top tier manager to match our squad.

Your arguement defeats it's self. Guardiola and Klopp are poles apart. A club looking to employ Guardiola would not be looking to employ Klopp, unless they are rudderless club with no structure. See Liverpool.

I suggest you watch Bayern vs Barcelona, then watch Pep's Bayern vs Real Madrid. If you consider that progression, then Wow.

It is you that said if we don't secure Pep then "we'll have dropped a bollock". "If we've passed up the opportunity to land Klopp, on the understanding that Pep was coming in a year, and he doesn't, Txiki wants shooting".

As I say, your opinion differs from most I know, Klopp was never going to get the job at City for reasons mentioned.
Why you think it Pep or death for Txiki is up to you, you said it not me.

From what I can tell from your posts, your understanding of football is boarding on nothing. If you think our only two options were Klopp or Pep I have to disagree with you fundamentally. They are totally opposite managers, totally opposite styles.

Watch BVB under Klopp, the game at the Etihad would be a good place to start, research Pep and Tiki taca then look at MANCHESTER City's well implemented system from u8's to first team.

Klopp like him, love him or hate him was never and is in no way suited to MANCHESTER City.

 

[Moveonlife]

The man man for the job (after Pellers goes) is either Guardiola or Garry Monk could suprise a few you but he wouldn't suprise me. The guy has potential to become a world class manager one day

 

[schfc6]

He'd be more of a gamble than Guardiola, and I agree that his style of play isn't totally and entirely in line with the desired Barca approach Txiki is keen on endorsing, while Guardiola's of course is.

Hence why I felt, and feel that Guardiola is the better fit for us.

However, if he was unattainable I thought Klopp was a great alternative.

We all agreed at the end of last season that our squad needed surgery, given that money Klopp could've moulded a side in his image while keeping close enough to the principles Txiki was keen on.

There's nothing to suggest Klopp doesn't have the ability to be flexible.

You think if he'd have got his desired job at Bayern he wouldn't have had to adapt somewhat?

It's interesting you made a point earlier about Joe not having the desired qualities to play under Klopp, you think he would under Guardiola?

Not a chance. Joe's position is among the most vulnerable in the next stage of our evolution as a top European side, in spite of his status at the club, due to his weakness with the ball at his feet and playing behind a high line.

Either of the top managers mentioned would heavily scrutinise that position.

Hell, even Manuel did. But he doesn't hold a strong enough mandate to exclude Joe if he felt the need to, a high profile manager like Guardiola would have no such qualms. I've made this point in the thread about Joe before.

Whoever comes in next, the squad will take some tinkering. So I think that's a moot point regarding Klopp not being suitable.

What on earth are you basing your opinions on Klopp on?

He has only ever had success playing one way, rapid high pressing counter attack. We haven't got the squad or more importantly the club desire to do that. It's lunacy my friend. Pellegrini is Guardiola but worse, Wenger is Pellegrini but worse. Klopp is totally different. Litterally chalk & cheese.
It's odd that you are insisting on one of two very different coaches, it smacks of one of three things. Immaturity, poor understanding of the game or stuborness.

You seem pretty rational other than this. There is no way any club in the World would draw up a managerial shortlist of two managers, two managers with totally different philosophies(no pun).

It's just insane. Guardiola is our best option to grow, I totally agree there, if not Pellegrini is just fine till we get the right man.

What you are suggesting is trying to sign Aguero as your first pick, failing then signing Graziola Pelle Totally different style yet both with their own abilities and qualities.

Not a dig at Pelle, just totally different.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Guardiola won a double in his first season at the club. Only a CL semi final exit to the eventual winners Real came between them and the treble.

I totally reject the idea that he's taken them backwards. I simply do not agree.

I'm not saying it's Pep or bust, or that we're 'doomed' if we fail to land him. Give it a rest with the strawman arguments. I've made my points quite clear.

I think Klopp and Giardiola are two managers who represent a clear upgrade on Pellegrini, two managers who have longevity in the game with youth on their side and with all the boxes we need ticking:

The ability to integrate youth.

The ability to be tactically flexible.

The ability to play attractive football.

The track record of success domestically.

The track record of success in Europe, consistently reaching the latter stages of the Champions League.

Pellegrini is a good manager, but he's not a top one. And crucially, he's at an age now where we need to think about replacing him soon enough anyway.

As Txiki and Soriano have said, they believe in cycles of managers, I think Pellegrini's should come to a close next summer.

We've missed out on one of the two outstanding candidates now, and if we miss out on the other, then yes, it will be a major blow.

It won't be the end of the world, but it'll be a considerable blow. And will probably lead to us taking another managerial sideways step when we come to replace Manuel (whenever that may be), and still coming up short when it comes to having a top tier manager to match our squad.

I don't accept this idea that if you don't win the treble every year that it's regression and a failure.

Did Ferguson regress at The Shite every year after 99? I don't think he did, they actually got better as a team, and he got much better as a manager, particularly in Europe.

I think there have only been 4 teams in history that have won the treble. (Barca have done it twice) It is pretty much impossible for those teams to win the treble every year, so the only way for them to go the season after is backwards in terms of trophies.

Real Madrid broke the world transfer record, employed a brilliant manager who is an expert in Europe, and they beat Bayern in the semi's. Pep won every other trophy he entered, but he was facing tougher opponents than the year before.

The squad has also aged over the last 3 years, Robben, Ribery and Schweinsteiger were at their absolute peak under Heynkes, but now they are 3 years older and all injured for the whole run in last season. Is that Pep's fault? According to Bayern themselves, the manager at Bayern has little to no say in transfers, so not really sure how Pep can take the blame for an ageing squad. There was also a catalogue of injuries at Bayern last year, which resulted in a very public falling out, again, something Heynkes didn't have to deal with.

I saw the Heynkes Bayern team in the flesh a couple of times, and they were a decent side. But the Pep Bayern team that came to The Etihad are the best football team I have ever seen in the flesh. They were so dominant, so utterly in control, Pep was so tactically superior to Pellegrini that it almost felt like they shouldn't be in the same competition.

The system our kids teams play, the intention to bring through youth, the high pressing, possession based, attractive football we want to play, the respectful, non-confrontational manner, the charisma in press conferences, the track record in working with the worlds best players and best teams, the unsurpassed trophy count per season, the relationship with our executives, players wanting to play for him, everything is there.

No manager is perfect, but if you could invent a manager that would be the perfect fit for Manchester City, you'd invent Pep Guardiola.

 

[RichardDunneOwnGoal]

He's not renewing, that much is fairly clear at this stage. They still weren't interested in Klopp.

How on earth do you know Bayern were not at all interested in Klopp?

You don't.

Unless you have a personal tab with Rummenigge then you know as much as the rest of us in respect of Bayern.

Bayern have shown no interest in pursuing Klopp because they're determined to keep Guardiola, and doing so would totally undermine this effort.

Take Guardiola out of the equation, there's no way of knowing if they'd pursue him.

Klopp seemed pretty sure he was in with a solid shout of the Bayern job judging by this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...gen-Klopp-to-embrace-Liverpool-challenge.html

 

[aguero93:20]

How on earth do you know Bayern were not at all interested in Klopp?

You don't.

Unless you have a personal tab with Rummenigge then you know as much as the rest of us in respect of Bayern.

Bayern have shown no interest in pursuing Klopp because they're determined to keep Guardiola.

Take Guardiola out of the equation, there's no way of knowing if they'd pursue him.

Klopp seemed pretty sure he was in with a solid shout of the Bayern job judging by this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...gen-Klopp-to-embrace-Liverpool-challenge.html

That contract has been on the table for over 6 months and he hasn't signed it. He's said before he doesn't want to spend more than a few years at any club.

 

[bluwes]

Guardiola has reportedly reached a 'tentative agreement' with City https://twitter.com/mundodeportivo/status/651800401600217088… #mcfc