Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

[Jazzman]

Story on the Guardian now that Bayern want to extend Guardiola's contract. Although I don't think they intend to do the talks until later in the year I guess it's a statement of intent.

Read the same in the Süddeutsche Zeitung. In general I think the situation can quickly change depending upon how Bayern performs in the next Champions League games. If they are kicked out in the same way as last year, the Rummenigge love for Guardiola could cool off again.

Following the affair where Bayern's iconic doc Müller-Wohlfahrt left last week, different media have been putting small question-marks to certain aspects of Guardiola's personality. I have seen the use of the words manic and obsessed about him. He certainly seems a perfectionist, and I am thinking we are too far away from the perfection he is looking for at the moment. We still need to climb a couple of steps to be up there with the teams he has been coaching so far. Klopp seems to be more suited for the kind of rebuilding that goes with managing City in the coming years. I just hope Liverpool keeps Brenda, so Klopp does not get the idea to go there. Liverpool is a big name in Germany, so I am afraid he might be tempted.

Getting Pep would be fantastic. He has proven a lot of tactical flexibility in the last weeks, where Bayern's injuries forced him to use different tactics than his trademark possession based game. Klopp on the other hand seemed to have problems adjusting his preferred system in Dortmund, and I think that's why they are still not really out of their crisis and back where they were in the previous years. However I like Klopp's "Vollgas-fussball", as the Germans call it, and I would like it if our team went in that direction.

In any case I don't think we will know anything before after the season. All involved parties will keep shut in order not to rock their individual boats.

 

[Jazzman]

Txiki has surely come home from Munich with an idea if we're getting him any time in the next year now. I just can't believe a business/brand operating on the scale of City will be as amateur-ish as to base everything on a chance. BTW, I don't know whether it's translation or cheap shot but KHR said Pep "won't join a club like City".

He said exactly that also in German, and he meant it exactly as the insult it sounds like. He is an arrogant ....

 

[OB1]

Txiki has surely come home from Munich with an idea if we're getting him any time in the next year now. I just can't believe a business/brand operating on the scale of City will be as amateur-ish as to base everything on a chance. BTW, I don't know whether it's translation or cheap shot but KHR said Pep "won't join a club like City".

He said exactly that also in German, and he meant it exactly as the insult it sounds like. He is an arrogant ....

The guys at the top of the Bayern hierarchy are a contemptible bunch; horrid horrid people.

 

[Damanino]

Well both Pelle and Pep has a contract until 2016. If Pelle stays will be interesting how City and how Bayern will handle this contract situation.

To let a manager start with only 12 months on his contract when you have all summer before the season starts to sort it out is very interesting. It can be that the manager refuses to extend or its the club who doesnt want you probably.

Either way its not a good situation imo. And also its better for Bayern to extend his contract until like 2018 because even if Pep leaves them next summer they could get a nice compensation from the club Guardiola joins instead of nothing if he leaves when his current correct runs out.

So Guardiola can cost us 10-15m just in compensation if he extends contract but also joins us 2016 summer.

While on our side, even if Pelle stays no way he would get a new contract. But then after every bad results the pressers would be interesting and constant question about he has only 9-8-7-6 etc more months, does he fear his job, does he get a new contract or does he know its over no matter what he wins next season. So its a big uncomfortable situation troughout the season.

No way Bayern does the same, they give Pep a new contract, which he will sign either to actually stay longer or to make sure Bayern gets the compensation.

 

[BillyShears]

Txiki has surely come home from Munich with an idea if we're getting him any time in the next year now. I just can't believe a business/brand operating on the scale of City will be as amateur-ish as to base everything on a chance. BTW, I don't know whether it's translation or cheap shot but KHR said Pep "won't join a club like City".

He said exactly that also in German, and he meant it exactly as the insult it sounds like. He is an arrogant ....

The guys at the top of the Bayern hierarchy are a contemptible bunch; horrid horrid people.

Fully agree. I also think those comments make it nailed on Pep's not leaving. Don't think that gobshite would be talking so big if he felt there was any risk of Pep going this summer. Which in and of itself makes me happy because I am fuxking sick to the back teeth of hearing about Guardiola and how we are obsessed by him.

I cannot begin to stress how important I think this summer is going to be. The biggest challenge AD have faced since the takeover.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

He said exactly that also in German, and he meant it exactly as the insult it sounds like. He is an arrogant ....

The guys at the top of the Bayern hierarchy are a contemptible bunch; horrid horrid people.

Fully agree. I also think those comments make it nailed on Pep's not leaving. Don't think that gobshite would be talking so big if he felt there was any risk of Pep going this summer. Which in and of itself makes me happy because I am fuxking sick to the back teeth of hearing about Guardiola and how we are obsessed by him.

I cannot begin to stress how important I think this summer is going to be. The biggest challenge AD have faced since the takeover.

Kind of agree on the first part, I just get the feeling that even if Pep came in some people just wouldn't be happy, every defeat would be argued on a level not seen before on here for example, some people are now so set about Txiki etc. that they just want him to be "proved wrong", it's a sad mentality but it's coming across at the moment. At least with a Klopp/Carlo then I think there would be less pressure as it would be seen as a "club decision".

Agree completely on your last line, AD need to nail it this summer and put their club where it needs to be. People talk about Ferran and Txiki at length, but at the end of the day the Sheikh has the power to make the ultimate decisions, so it's a big summer for them. If it goes wrong, the criticism and finger-pointing won't stop at our Exec team. You have to assume that Sheikh and Khaldoon are clued up enough to know who are good/bad signings, and who is a good/bad manager for us, so there's no excuses for the right decisions not to be made.

 

[pavelsrnicek]

He said exactly that also in German, and he meant it exactly as the insult it sounds like. He is an arrogant ....

The guys at the top of the Bayern hierarchy are a contemptible bunch; horrid horrid people.

Fully agree. I also think those comments make it nailed on Pep's not leaving. Don't think that gobshite would be talking so big if he felt there was any risk of Pep going this summer. Which in and of itself makes me happy because I am fuxking sick to the back teeth of hearing about Guardiola and how we are obsessed by him.

I cannot begin to stress how important I think this summer is going to be. The biggest challenge AD have faced since the takeover.

The worry I have is that the easiest thing for Txiki to do is leave Pellegrini in situ and make plans for the following summer manager wise. I think that will have a negative knock on effect on our transfer dealings and as a result next season.

 

[MihaiCity]

Klopp didn't come out mid season like that and resign for nothing imo.

He sent a clear message to a club that he was moving on for pastures new.

Hopefully its us as i too am sick of the fucking Pep talk.

Exactly now way Klopp would had done this for nothing it's clear as fucking day someone tapped him up and i hope it's us the ones who did that...we can't lose a year of development and risk CL for 2016 just because our DoF thinks that Pep MAY turn up here...it;s just mindblogging to do that as long as someone like Klopp is there for the taking

 

[HalfwayUpTheKippax]

He could, of course, be waiting to see if the FFP restriction on our transfers is lifted.

 

[aguero93:20]

Txiki has surely come home from Munich with an idea if we're getting him any time in the next year now. I just can't believe a business/brand operating on the scale of City will be as amateur-ish as to base everything on a chance. BTW, I don't know whether it's translation or cheap shot but KHR said Pep "won't join a club like City".

He said exactly that also in German, and he meant it exactly as the insult it sounds like. He is an arrogant ....

Maybe he was trying to say we don't have enough obese, corrupt, tax dodging sausage merchants in the board room to hire a manager like Guardiola.
Sort it out Khaldoon! Or not, whichever suits.

 

[halfcenturyup]

A couple of points on this:

If the owner overrules Begiristain on the strategy for a new manager, where does that leave Begiristain and Soriano? Don't tell me it's not Soriano, he is the CEO and will present the management's choice to the Board.

Who is advising the owner on footballing matters? The CEO obviously, but who is briefing the owner in an independent capacity? There lis no-one on the Board with any football experience as far as I can see, not to the extent that they could debate managers with the Messi of football executives anyway ....

The guys at the top of the Bayern hierarchy are a contemptible bunch; horrid horrid people.

Fully agree. I also think those comments make it nailed on Pep's not leaving. Don't think that gobshite would be talking so big if he felt there was any risk of Pep going this summer. Which in and of itself makes me happy because I am fuxking sick to the back teeth of hearing about Guardiola and how we are obsessed by him.

I cannot begin to stress how important I think this summer is going to be. The biggest challenge AD have faced since the takeover.

Kind of agree on the first part, I just get the feeling that even if Pep came in some people just wouldn't be happy, every defeat would be argued on a level not seen before on here for example, some people are now so set about Txiki etc. that they just want him to be "proved wrong", it's a sad mentality but it's coming across at the moment. At least with a Klopp/Carlo then I think there would be less pressure as it would be seen as a "club decision".

Agree completely on your last line, AD need to nail it this summer and put their club where it needs to be. People talk about Ferran and Txiki at length, but at the end of the day the Sheikh has the power to make the ultimate decisions, so it's a big summer for them. If it goes wrong, the criticism and finger-pointing won't stop at our Exec team. You have to assume that Sheikh and Khaldoon are clued up enough to know who are good/bad signings, and who is a good/bad manager for us, so there's no excuses for the right decisions not to be made.

 

[BillyShears]

A couple of points on this:

If the owner overrules Begiristain on the strategy for a new manager, where does that leave Begiristain and Soriano? Don't tell me it's not Soriano, he is the CEO and will present the management's choice to the Board.

Who is advising the owner on footballing matters? The CEO obviously, but who is briefing the owner in an independent capacity? There lis no-one on the Board with any football experience as far as I can see, not to the extent that they could debate managers with the Messi of football executives anyway ....

Fully agree. I also think those comments make it nailed on Pep's not leaving. Don't think that gobshite would be talking so big if he felt there was any risk of Pep going this summer. Which in and of itself makes me happy because I am fuxking sick to the back teeth of hearing about Guardiola and how we are obsessed by him.

I cannot begin to stress how important I think this summer is going to be. The biggest challenge AD have faced since the takeover.

Kind of agree on the first part, I just get the feeling that even if Pep came in some people just wouldn't be happy, every defeat would be argued on a level not seen before on here for example, some people are now so set about Txiki etc. that they just want him to be "proved wrong", it's a sad mentality but it's coming across at the moment. At least with a Klopp/Carlo then I think there would be less pressure as it would be seen as a "club decision".

Agree completely on your last line, AD need to nail it this summer and put their club where it needs to be. People talk about Ferran and Txiki at length, but at the end of the day the Sheikh has the power to make the ultimate decisions, so it's a big summer for them. If it goes wrong, the criticism and finger-pointing won't stop at our Exec team. You have to assume that Sheikh and Khaldoon are clued up enough to know who are good/bad signings, and who is a good/bad manager for us, so there's no excuses for the right decisions not to be made.

Stupid question to ask who's advising the board on football matters independent of their DoF. There isn't anyone and there won't be. You don't employ someone like Txiki to then undermine him whenever they don't like his recommendations.

On the flip side Txiki will know the temperature of the board and what they want.

 

[halfcenturyup]

No it isn't (a stupid question) and of course the owner does (get independent advice).

What you are suggesting is that Begiristain will want to do something, but will instead propose something the Board wants to hear. That doesn't undermine him how?

A couple of points on this:

If the owner overrules Begiristain on the strategy for a new manager, where does that leave Begiristain and Soriano? Don't tell me it's not Soriano, he is the CEO and will present the management's choice to the Board.

Who is advising the owner on footballing matters? The CEO obviously, but who is briefing the owner in an independent capacity? There lis no-one on the Board with any football experience as far as I can see, not to the extent that they could debate managers with the Messi of football executives anyway ....

Kind of agree on the first part, I just get the feeling that even if Pep came in some people just wouldn't be happy, every defeat would be argued on a level not seen before on here for example, some people are now so set about Txiki etc. that they just want him to be "proved wrong", it's a sad mentality but it's coming across at the moment. At least with a Klopp/Carlo then I think there would be less pressure as it would be seen as a "club decision".

Agree completely on your last line, AD need to nail it this summer and put their club where it needs to be. People talk about Ferran and Txiki at length, but at the end of the day the Sheikh has the power to make the ultimate decisions, so it's a big summer for them. If it goes wrong, the criticism and finger-pointing won't stop at our Exec team. You have to assume that Sheikh and Khaldoon are clued up enough to know who are good/bad signings, and who is a good/bad manager for us, so there's no excuses for the right decisions not to be made.

Stupid question to ask who's advising the board on football matters independent of their DoF. There isn't anyone and there won't be. You don't employ someone like Txiki to then undermine him whenever they don't like his recommendations.

On the flip side Txiki will know the temperature of the board and what they want.

 

[BillyShears]

No it isn't (a stupid question) and of course the owner does (get independent advice).

What you are suggesting is that Begiristain will want to do something, but will instead propose something the Board wants to hear. That doesn't undermine him how?

A couple of points on this:

If the owner overrules Begiristain on the strategy for a new manager, where does that leave Begiristain and Soriano? Don't tell me it's not Soriano, he is the CEO and will present the management's choice to the Board.

Who is advising the owner on footballing matters? The CEO obviously, but who is briefing the owner in an independent capacity? There lis no-one on the Board with any football experience as far as I can see, not to the extent that they could debate managers with the Messi of football executives anyway ....

Stupid question to ask who's advising the board on football matters independent of their DoF. There isn't anyone and there won't be. You don't employ someone like Txiki to then undermine him whenever they don't like his recommendations.

On the flip side Txiki will know the temperature of the board and what they want.

Sheikh Mansour has a rep for hiring the best and letting them get on with it. He's known for being interested in results. He isn't Mike Ashley trying to undermine his club and people from within. So yes. Stupid question.

On your second point that's not what I said.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I think you underestimate the role of the Board, and also underestimate the owner if you think he doesn't clue himself up so he can challenge the management.

Mike Ashley, really.

No it isn't (a stupid question) and of course the owner does (get independent advice).

What you are suggesting is that Begiristain will want to do something, but will instead propose something the Board wants to hear. That doesn't undermine him how?

Stupid question to ask who's advising the board on football matters independent of their DoF. There isn't anyone and there won't be. You don't employ someone like Txiki to then undermine him whenever they don't like his recommendations.

On the flip side Txiki will know the temperature of the board and what they want.

Sheikh Mansour has a rep for hiring the best and letting them get on with it. He's known for being interested in results. He isn't Mike Ashley trying to undermine his club and people from within. So yes. Stupid question.

On your second point that's not what I said.

 

[BillyShears]

I think you underestimate the role of the Board, and also underestimate the owner if you think he doesn't clue himself up so he can challenge the management.

Mike Ashley, really.

No it isn't (a stupid question) and of course the owner does (get independent advice).

What you are suggesting is that Begiristain will want to do something, but will instead propose something the Board wants to hear. That doesn't undermine him how?

Sheikh Mansour has a rep for hiring the best and letting them get on with it. He's known for being interested in results. He isn't Mike Ashley trying to undermine his club and people from within. So yes. Stupid question.

On your second point that's not what I said.

Sorry just sounds like you're being purposefully stupid so I'm out.

 

[Jazzman]

Underneath his jokes, his friendly and emotional appearance, Jürgen Klopp has the reputation of being a bit of a dictator who expects absolute discipline (very German) and absolute obedience from his players. Does anyone think this side of him will cause problems with our team?

It might not have been a coincidence that Klopp had his main success with a team of very young players in Dortmund. It has been suggested down here that one cause of the Dortmund problems this season is that the players are now a bit older and do not obey his every word 100% anymore.

I am thinking that a bit of German discipline will be a good kick in the a..e for some of our players, but I am also a bit concerned that a lot of this will cause conflicts with some senior players.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

No it isn't (a stupid question) and of course the owner does (get independent advice).

What you are suggesting is that Begiristain will want to do something, but will instead propose something the Board wants to hear. That doesn't undermine him how?

Stupid question to ask who's advising the board on football matters independent of their DoF. There isn't anyone and there won't be. You don't employ someone like Txiki to then undermine him whenever they don't like his recommendations.

On the flip side Txiki will know the temperature of the board and what they want.

Sheikh Mansour has a rep for hiring the best and letting them get on with it. He's known for being interested in results. He isn't Mike Ashley trying to undermine his club and people from within. So yes. Stupid question.

On your second point that's not what I said.

As I've said elsewhere, if it goes wrong under the system you're describing, then the accountability for those mistakes won't stop at the exec team, it will go all the way back up to the top.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Wibble. Wibble.

I think you underestimate the role of the Board, and also underestimate the owner if you think he doesn't clue himself up so he can challenge the management.

Mike Ashley, really.

Sheikh Mansour has a rep for hiring the best and letting them get on with it. He's known for being interested in results. He isn't Mike Ashley trying to undermine his club and people from within. So yes. Stupid question.

On your second point that's not what I said.

Sorry just sounds like you're being purposefully stupid so I'm out.

 

[sam-caddick]

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