Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

[LoveCity]

The clamor is still here for Klopp but if we interviewed him in 2013 and didn't want him because of his counterpressing style not matching our philosophy (as the Mail claims), then there's surely no chance we'll want him in 2015 when his stock has dropped somewhat. The single-mindedness of the people in charge narrows the field down to very few and then possibly a few more who are different but might match most of the fundamentals we want (such as Ancelotti), if we aren't totally inflexible.

Speaking of which, I saw this stat on Squawka before and really think Benitez could be a candidate for a 1-year job if they don't want to keep Pellegrini.

Squawka Football @Squawka
Napoli have completed more passes (4,743) than any other team in the Europa League this campaign.

Sounds very... City.

 

[blueinsa]

I think Klopp will also have a say in it, a very big one, in fact his previous offerings are that our "model" (whatever that is) is not what he wants, he appears to have said it, those close to him appear to have said it. Personally he'd my choice if we were playing fantasy football, but we're not, we're in the real world.

So that leaves us where ? Ancelloti ? Who might well win the CL, and seems to think he's safe anyway, Pep, going nowhere judging from most accounts, Simeone already signed a longer term deal, and if people want 0-0, or 1-0, or 1-1, great (not). Benitez, please no, not with this squad, Sabella, really ? Koeman or Vieira ?

Going to be lots of disappointed blue mooners in my opinion, when we return in July with MP still in charge, some on this thread might need Samaritan's number.

If that happens then there will be huge questions towards the board as to whether they have both the ability or ambition to take us where we need to go.

Ok - I think we should get Klopp - that's me

What if MP stays, we have a blistering start in all comps and have a successful season. What then?? MP couldn't have turned shit over night. Would you still question the board? Are we really in the right place to make decisions? We can have opinions. Me personally I trust these execs and will continue to do so.

The pinch Khaldoon mentioned has really turned out to be a punch. We now need to get up and fight back and that's what they are gearing for this summer...

Anyway I'm bored about talking about the manager. Anybody got any transfer goss?

So many have become absolute doom merchants of late. Its as if we will never be in a position to sign the best players or win trophies ever again the way some on here are going on.

Our great club hasn't even started yet and in year to come, 2 league titles in 3 years and a couple of domestic cup competitions will seem like small fry, it really will.

Trust in our owner and his judgement, especially when it concerns the key people he has employed to get us where he wants us.

 

[richards30]

The clamor is still here for Klopp but if we interviewed him in 2013 and didn't want him because of his counterpressing style not matching our philosophy (as the Mail claims), then there's surely no chance we'll want him in 2015 when his stock has dropped somewhat. The single-mindedness of the people in charge narrows the field down to very few and then possibly a few more who are different but might match most of the fundamentals we want (such as Ancelotti), if we aren't totally inflexible.

Speaking of which, I saw this stat on Squawka before and really think Benitez could be a candidate for a 1-year job if they don't want to keep Pellegrini.

Squawka Football @Squawka
Napoli have completed more passes (4,743) than any other team in the Europa League this campaign.

Sounds very... City.

A one year appointment is just ridiculous though? Say rafa comes in, wins a double or treble, do we then let him go? A re-build should be done with a long term manager in mind with a strategy in place for tactics, stability etc! Tbh if tixiki is still begging for pep he needs his fucking arse kicked as its getting embarrassing now! Build our own future not one where we might need to replace in 2 or 3 years!

 

[crystal_mais]

If that happens then there will be huge questions towards the board as to whether they have both the ability or ambition to take us where we need to go.

Ok - I think we should get Klopp - that's me

What if MP stays, we have a blistering start in all comps and have a successful season. What then?? MP couldn't have turned shit over night. Would you still question the board? Are we really in the right place to make decisions? We can have opinions. Me personally I trust these execs and will continue to do so.

The pinch Khaldoon mentioned has really turned out to be a punch. We now need to get up and fight back and that's what they are gearing for this summer...

Anyway I'm bored about talking about the manager. Anybody got any transfer goss?

So many have become absolute doom merchants of late. Its as if we will never be in a position to sign the best players or win trophies ever again the way some on here are going on.

Our great club hasn't even started yet and in year to come, 2 league titles in 3 years and a couple of domestic cup competitions will seem like small fry, it really will.

Trust in our owner and his judgement, especially when it concerns the key people he has employed to get us where he wants us.

WE have become football strategists over night. I do tend to agree to a change only because 2 heavyweight bosses will more or less be available, but I won't be disappointed if we keep MP

 

[cleavers]

The next manager needs to represent something beyond just a form of trophy lust. He needs to be a leader for City on the pitch and off it. Someone who readjusts the narrative around our club. It's crystal clear that Klopp is that guy and fits that bill.

Whether or not Txiki, Khaldoon, Sheikh Mansour, and Soriano feel the same only time will tell.

I think Klopp will also have a say in it, a very big one, in fact his previous offerings are that our "model" (whatever that is) is not what he wants, he appears to have said it, those close to him appear to have said it. Personally he'd my choice if we were playing fantasy football, but we're not, we're in the real world.

So that leaves us where ? Ancelloti ? Who might well win the CL, and seems to think he's safe anyway, Pep, going nowhere judging from most accounts, Simeone already signed a longer term deal, and if people want 0-0, or 1-0, or 1-1, great (not). Benitez, please no, not with this squad, Sabella, really ? Koeman or Vieira ?

Going to be lots of disappointed blue mooners in my opinion, when we return in July with MP still in charge, some on this thread might need Samaritan's number.

If that happens then there will be huge questions towards the board as to whether they have both the ability or ambition to take us where we need to go.

Strange as it my seem but I agree.

 

[BillyShears]

I think Klopp will also have a say in it, a very big one, in fact his previous offerings are that our "model" (whatever that is) is not what he wants, he appears to have said it, those close to him appear to have said it. Personally he'd my choice if we were playing fantasy football, but we're not, we're in the real world.

Honestly, i've not seen anything from Klopp either directly or indirectly which suggests that he wouldn't want to come to a club like City. I'd be really interested to read that though so be cool if you or anyone has a link to something like that if they could put it on here. From City's perspective - that Mail article about how we passed on Klopp is IMO bollocks. I realise I'm biased because I'm a huge admirer of Klopp's, but Begiristain is no fool. He didn't in 2013 pass on the, at the time, most exciting and dynamic coach in Europe who's team were the best footballing side in Europe, because he didn't like the way they press the ball. I think that whole story has come from the imagination of the journalist himself. And again, if anyone has got a concrete reason why Klopp's footballing philosophy don't fit our club's I'm all ears. Especially baring in mind our footballing philosophy is simply built around a high defensive line and high pressing.

 

[JustAnotherCityFan]

The clamor is still here for Klopp but if we interviewed him in 2013 and didn't want him because of his counterpressing style not matching our philosophy (as the Mail claims), then there's surely no chance we'll want him in 2015 when his stock has dropped somewhat. The single-mindedness of the people in charge narrows the field down to very few and then possibly a few more who are different but might match most of the fundamentals we want (such as Ancelotti), if we aren't totally inflexible.

Speaking of which, I saw this stat on Squawka before and really think Benitez could be a candidate for a 1-year job if they don't want to keep Pellegrini.

Squawka Football @Squawka
Napoli have completed more passes (4,743) than any other team in the Europa League this campaign.

Sounds very... City.

Doesn't get discussed much amidst all the talk of Pep and Klopp but I can see us going in for him (Benitez). About to get Napoli into the semi's of Europa League with ease and won it during his year at Chelsea too. The fact he's Spanish will be a plus, he has a bit of history with Mourinho and generally seems keen to come for any length of time.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Klopp is on record at the time of the approach from City stating "we did not speak because there was nothing to discuss."

We wanted to speak, he didn't.

Essentially, why did he want to speak to anyone when in charge of a Dortmund side that were sweeping all before them.

People need to stop listening to the usual shit.

Have we ever signed a player who actually wanted to come here, prior to him being linked with every other top club out there?

Same now goes for any top manager.

It's more a case of some wanting to belittle City, nothing more.

Pep wants United, Arsenal, anybody but City.

Klopp wants United, Arsenal, Liverpool, anybody but City.

Look at the correlation between the clubs involved and it crystallises everything as nothing more than bullshit wishful thinking.

Fear, nothing else.

 

[stony]

Going to be lots of disappointed blue mooners in my opinion, when we return in July with MP still in charge, some on this thread might need Samaritan's number.

I'll be one of them. I think it would be a huge mistake to keep Pellegrini.

 

[LoveCity]

The clamor is still here for Klopp but if we interviewed him in 2013 and didn't want him because of his counterpressing style not matching our philosophy (as the Mail claims), then there's surely no chance we'll want him in 2015 when his stock has dropped somewhat. The single-mindedness of the people in charge narrows the field down to very few and then possibly a few more who are different but might match most of the fundamentals we want (such as Ancelotti), if we aren't totally inflexible.

Speaking of which, I saw this stat on Squawka before and really think Benitez could be a candidate for a 1-year job if they don't want to keep Pellegrini.

Squawka Football @Squawka
Napoli have completed more passes (4,743) than any other team in the Europa League this campaign.

Sounds very... City.

Doesn't get discussed much amidst all the talk of Pep and Klopp but I can see us going in for him (Benitez). About to get Napoli into the semi's of Europa League with ease and won it during his year at Chelsea too. The fact he's Spanish will be a plus, he has a bit of history with Mourinho and generally seems keen to come for any length of time.

Watching Napoli tonight and Rafa has shown two sides.

1st half - Napoli barely crossed their halfway line, holding on to a 4-1 aggregate lead. Defended very well albeit against a Wolfsburg missing three big players (De Bruyne, Schurrle, Vierinha).

2nd half - With the lead now safe, Napoli have ventured forward with some lovely passing moves and are now 2-1 up (6-2 up on aggregate).

He's undoubtedly a better TACTICIAN than Pellegrini IMO, maybe not as attacking minded though. If you want an interim, I can't think of many/any better options for just the year. I don't think he's the right coach for a long-term job at City though.

 

[kupest]

The clamor is still here for Klopp but if we interviewed him in 2013 and didn't want him because of his counterpressing style not matching our philosophy (as the Mail claims), then there's surely no chance we'll want him in 2015 when his stock has dropped somewhat. The single-mindedness of the people in charge narrows the field down to very few and then possibly a few more who are different but might match most of the fundamentals we want (such as Ancelotti), if we aren't totally inflexible.

Speaking of which, I saw this stat on Squawka before and really think Benitez could be a candidate for a 1-year job if they don't want to keep Pellegrini.

Squawka Football @Squawka
Napoli have completed more passes (4,743) than any other team in the Europa League this campaign.

Sounds very... City.

Doesn't get discussed much amidst all the talk of Pep and Klopp but I can see us going in for him (Benitez). About to get Napoli into the semi's of Europa League with ease and won it during his year at Chelsea too. The fact he's Spanish will be a plus, he has a bit of history with Mourinho and generally seems keen to come for any length of time.

Watching Napoli tonight and Rafa has shown two sides.

1st half - Napoli barely crossed their halfway line, holding on to a 4-1 aggregate lead. Defended very well albeit against a Wolfsburg missing three big players (De Bruyne, Schurrle, Vierinha).

2nd half - With the lead now safe, Napoli have ventured forward with some lovely passing moves and are now 2-1 up (6-2 up on aggregate).

He's undoubtedly a better TACTICIAN than Pellegrini IMO, maybe not as attacking minded though. If you want an interim, I can't think of many/any better options for just the year. I don't think he's the right coach for a long-term job at City though.

Yes but you see the Napoli in the league and the Napoli in the CL qualifying game against Athletic Bilbao and it shows the other side of the coin. I think they have been the highest spenders in the Serie A as well. The games against Wolfsburg has been their best performance by a mile and they have been below average most of the season to be honest.

 

[Ray78]

If the choices were between Sabella or Benitez I would opt for Benitez.

 

[LoveCity]

Doesn't get discussed much amidst all the talk of Pep and Klopp but I can see us going in for him (Benitez). About to get Napoli into the semi's of Europa League with ease and won it during his year at Chelsea too. The fact he's Spanish will be a plus, he has a bit of history with Mourinho and generally seems keen to come for any length of time.

Watching Napoli tonight and Rafa has shown two sides.

1st half - Napoli barely crossed their halfway line, holding on to a 4-1 aggregate lead. Defended very well albeit against a Wolfsburg missing three big players (De Bruyne, Schurrle, Vierinha).

2nd half - With the lead now safe, Napoli have ventured forward with some lovely passing moves and are now 2-1 up (6-2 up on aggregate).

He's undoubtedly a better TACTICIAN than Pellegrini IMO, maybe not as attacking minded though. If you want an interim, I can't think of many/any better options for just the year. I don't think he's the right coach for a long-term job at City though.

Yes but you see the Napoli in the league and the Napoli in the CL qualifying game against Athletic Bilbao and it shows the other side of the coin. I think they have been the highest spenders in the Serie A as well. The games against Wolfsburg has been their best performance by a mile and they have been below average most of the season to be honest.

Like I said, Rafa is not a long-term option for us. But in this crazy "wait desperately for Pep" scenario, I'm not sure you'll find a better interim willing to take over for a year. Possibly Bielsa but he'd just get most of our players injured and we'd burn out after December.

 

[Ray78]

While it would be foolish to completely dismiss Klopp (If it was earlier in the project he would of been my ideal candidate to build and would of saved us a few quid in the process). At this present time he might see the current situation with Manuel Pellegrini (who could of easily turned us down if he didn't feel the club was right for him and he a had offers from both PSG and Porto) and question would I be given the time to put my ideas fully across or are they going to ditch me after two years.

 

[The Count Of Monte Cristo]

Going to be lots of disappointed blue mooners in my opinion, when we return in July with MP still in charge, some on this thread might need Samaritan's number.

I'll be one of them. I think it would be a huge mistake to keep Pellegrini.

I totally agree, if we keep Pellegrini for another season we potentially write off a whole year under the stewardship of a manager who would know it was his last year, as would the players in the current squad as well as any additional players coming in. I'm not sure that would increase the much needed motivation which has sadly lacked this season.

It would be pointless letting him have a say in the next two transfer windows as well when there is obviously some long term planning and rebuilding to be done.

And, if the grand plan is to wait to snare Pep next year and that doesn't come to fruition what do we do then?

I would hope we haven't sacked Pellegrini yet as we owe it to him as a mark of respect for the achievements of last year and maybe after the last two sackings we are hoping to part ways without the club/owner looking like a pantomime villan. I hope this is the case as the thought of another year with the sort of apathy we've witnessed of late is too much to even consider.

Can you imagine how it'll be if he does stay and we get off to a poor start next term? No, neither can I!

Get Champion's League, get rid, get Klopp.

 

[OB1]

Watching Napoli tonight and Rafa has shown two sides.

1st half - Napoli barely crossed their halfway line, holding on to a 4-1 aggregate lead. Defended very well albeit against a Wolfsburg missing three big players (De Bruyne, Schurrle, Vierinha).

2nd half - With the lead now safe, Napoli have ventured forward with some lovely passing moves and are now 2-1 up (6-2 up on aggregate).

He's undoubtedly a better TACTICIAN than Pellegrini IMO, maybe not as attacking minded though. If you want an interim, I can't think of many/any better options for just the year. I don't think he's the right coach for a long-term job at City though.

Yes but you see the Napoli in the league and the Napoli in the CL qualifying game against Athletic Bilbao and it shows the other side of the coin. I think they have been the highest spenders in the Serie A as well. The games against Wolfsburg has been their best performance by a mile and they have been below average most of the season to be honest.

Like I said, Rafa is not a long-term option for us. But in this crazy "wait desperately for Pep" scenario, I'm not sure you'll find a better interim willing to take over for a year. Possibly Bielsa but he'd just get most of our players injured and we'd burn out after December.

I find the idea of an interim for a season rather unpalatable at this point. We should have done that three years ago when Pep was not in a job. We cannot legally tie a guy down to a job when he has a year left on his contract so he either leaves his job at the end of the season or we look elsewhere for a "permanent" manager or stick with our current manager.

 

[OB1]

If the choices were between Sabella or Benitez I would opt for Benitez.

I agree but hope that is not going to be the choice.

TBF, Benitez would be far from the worst option to manage City but there are surely several more appropriate possible candidates.

 

[Bill]

Are we really saying that Txiki is fireproof in terms of his own performance?

Surely, if we are prepared to wait 12 months because of his relationship with Txiki, then what happens if he fucks up on the market again this summer and the team and Pellegrini sink like a stone?

Txiki's judgement has already been called into question.

I would find it highly doubtful he would retain his own job if he wasted £100m plus without any discernable improvement.

Pep won't come if his mate ain't around anymore, that's the folly of trying to hope everything will just fall into place.

Txiki needs Pep this summer to make him 'fireproof'.

In 12 months time, who knows if Txiki will still be at the club?

Hope there is something in this TH because we need to act now/summer as this is a massive summer for us in terms of changing the team.

Either we get Pep for next season or Klopp or Ancelotti no more let's wait and see

i would hoof txiki right now.
i would forget pep right now.
i would sack pellers right now

and i would appoint klopp. right now.

 

[Ray78]

If the choices were between Sabella or Benitez I would opt for Benitez.

I agree but hope that is not going to be the choice.

TBF, Benitez would be far from the worst option to manage City but there are surely several more appropriate possible candidates.

My concerns are that he would want more than a season. At Chelsea he took a strong disliking in being called an interim manager.

 

[richards30]

Are we really saying that Txiki is fireproof in terms of his own performance?

Surely, if we are prepared to wait 12 months because of his relationship with Txiki, then what happens if he fucks up on the market again this summer and the team and Pellegrini sink like a stone?

Txiki's judgement has already been called into question.

I would find it highly doubtful he would retain his own job if he wasted £100m plus without any discernable improvement.

Pep won't come if his mate ain't around anymore, that's the folly of trying to hope everything will just fall into place.

Txiki needs Pep this summer to make him 'fireproof'.

In 12 months time, who knows if Txiki will still be at the club?

Hope there is something in this TH because we need to act now/summer as this is a massive summer for us in terms of changing the team.

Either we get Pep for next season or Klopp or Ancelotti no more let's wait and see

i would hoof txiki right now.
i would forget pep right now.
i would sack pellers right now

and i would appoint klopp. right now.

Agreed bill, can't imagine another season like this one next year! The fawning for pep is embarrassing by the barca duo! Landmark summer in the transfer market this summer as well.