Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

[daztrueblue91]

Re: Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements

Whilst I would like Pellegrini to stay the only real upgrade would be Pep.

Although if we were to change and Pep wouldn't come then I would like AVB or Vieria.

 

[Bobbins]

Re: Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements

Ronald Koeman, played at the highest level, done well with a team that sold all its best assets and rebuilt them into a potential top 4 team !! Premier league experience. Pep and Simione(sp) have no prem experience and there is no saying they would hit the ground running.

 

[BlueAnorak]

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http://www.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/15982402
Diego Simeone 11/4
Carlo Ancelotti 7/2
Rafael Benitez 9/2
Patrick Vieira 5/1
Pep Guardiola 6/1
Ronald Koeman 10/1
Jurgen Klopp 12/1
Unai Emery 25/1
Laurent Blanc 28/1
Brendan Rodgers 40/1
Roberto Martinez 40/1
Andre Villas-Boas 40/1
Jose Mourinho 40/1
Frank de Boer 80/1
David Moyes 250/1

I will have a sportsman bet with you BA. Either Diego Simeone , Jurgen Klopp or Pep Guardiola will not be managing City next season.

I don't bet - because any bet I make is a kiss of death on that option.
So I will simply say I intend to bet on Pellers being our manager next season.

 

[cleavers]

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What the bookies think:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/15982402" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.skybet.com/football/manager- ... t/15982402</a>
Diego Simeone 11/4
Carlo Ancelotti 7/2
Rafael Benitez 9/2
Patrick Vieira 5/1
Pep Guardiola 6/1
Ronald Koeman 10/1
Jurgen Klopp 12/1
Unai Emery 25/1
Laurent Blanc 28/1
Brendan Rodgers 40/1
Roberto Martinez 40/1
Andre Villas-Boas 40/1
Jose Mourinho 40/1
Frank de Boer 80/1
David Moyes 250/1

I'm going for Unai Emery 25/1 sounds perfect for us.

 

[Maldeika]

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For the ones that want Klopp as a coach - what does attract you to him?

I always ask me that when I read it as everything he stands for does not match to Manchester City's current philosophies.

He stands for David-vs-Goliath-speeches, team before individuals, pressing as playmaker not ball possession... - you would have to throw out more than half of your team to adapt to Klopp "style". He might have fully matched to a club that City was 10 or 15 years ago - but today?

 

[ninjamonkey]

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Guardiola is obviously the dream but he's not leaving Bayern. Pellegrini is lucky as there doesn't seem to be a stand out candidate right now, if there was i think he'd already be gone/ Vieira isn't ready yet, and if he gets a taste, he's not going to want to drop back down to EDS level. Benitez isn't inspiring, Klopp has had a woeful season with Dortmund. Simeone hasn't done enough yet and will probably end in disaster. If Ancelotti becomes available we should do everything possible to bring him in. He wins trophies.

 

[Dax777]

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Ronald Koeman, played at the highest level, done well with a team that sold all its best assets and rebuilt them into a potential top 4 team !! Premier league experience. Pep and Simione(sp) have no prem experience and there is no saying they would hit the ground running.

Nor would Koeman. Pelegrini blitz the league in his first season, so is Koeman in his first season. So certainly it's not unheard of. Nor is it unheard of for a coach with experience in the league to suck in his first year at a different team. GollUm is a good example. Had all the experience in the prem but still sucked.

For what we want to do Guardiola is the best option. He buys ball playing players, coaches possession and attacking football. Improves his defense with pressure football and possession drills. And he loves his wide players speedy. And frankly he has as much pull on star players as any coach in football.

The only downside is that he currently coaches one of the 3 best teams in the world and unless he is bored, I doubt he'd switch.

 

[mancity1]

Re: Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements

Ronald Koeman, played at the highest level, done well with a team that sold all its best assets and rebuilt them into a potential top 4 team !! Premier league experience. Pep and Simione(sp) have no prem experience and there is no saying they would hit the ground running.

Nor would Koeman. Pelegrini blitz the league in his first season, so is Koeman in his first season. So certainly it's not unheard of. Nor is it unheard of for a coach with experience in the league to suck in his first year at a different team. GollUm is a good example. Had all the experience in the prem but still sucked.

For what we want to do Guardiola is the best option. He buys ball playing players, coaches possession and attacking football. Improves his defense with pressure football and possession drills. And he loves his wide players speedy. And frankly he has as much pull on star players as any coach in football.

The only downside is that he currently coaches one of the 3 best teams in the world and unless he is bored, I doubt he'd switch.

He is the smartest going around so knows its going to be unlikely he will fail before he takes on a job in the first place.

MP despite the fact he will be sacked before his time is up ( stupid for him to say he will be at the club for the three years and he would leave if he was unhappy when asked ) is a good coach/manager but not in Pep's league.

Look at his record against Jose , we haven't beaten them in the league when we should have at least beaten them once in the league in four outings under his wing.

We won't beat them next season as well if he is charge and the owners have to take things like that into consideration when reviewing his tenure.

Lost at Anfield twice when should have at least picked up a draw in one of them I could go on.

As for his man management the press most likely incorrectly or overblown are saying there is as much discord in the dressing rooms now in less than two years under his wing as it took RM three years to create and we don't have the pictures anymore of the MB's etc on display for all to see.

Biased commentary i know but only victories will shut the idiots up and 3 from 11 doesn't cut it in a job which in many respects is the hardest gig to have in the premiership if you keep saying the squad list is the envy of all others.

If he goes after Wednesday and replaced by PV which is the most likely scenario although BK would do it again of course before he leaves us in the summer to some extent his comments albeit as non controversial as you could make them out to be especially when you compare them to RM will be the deathknell of him.

 

[Jimfv1]

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I would love to see Klopp come to City, the Premier league hasn't had a decent German coach and he is one of the best around and would bring some new ideas in training and tactics to the club. Yes, we do have players that wouldn't suit his style of play but we also have players who are nearing the exit door due to age and form anyhow. It is looking like some players we have just don't suit the premier league hustle and bustle, and the tactics of sitting back and hitting on the counter. We have had this problem since day one when we won the jackpot with Sheikh Mansour buying the club, but under Pellegrini we are looking more exposed than ever. De Jong and Barry gave the back four some protection but this has now gone and all our defenders look average at best and look panicky and disorganised when the opposition breaks at us.

Pep seems to be the manager everyone expects to rock up at City sometime but I think he'll see out his contract at Bayern first and the timing for us just won't work out. Simeone would play a defensive style which suits the Premier league but surely this isn't the way our owners want us to play. He's more akin to Mourinho and the fact he only has experience of managing at Athletico for me means he would be a bit of a gamble.

Koeman has proved this season that he is capable of managing well in the Premier league and despite selling some of their better players he has signed good replacements and just lacks a top drawer striker otherwise he would be strongly challenging for a top four spot. I think he would be an improvement on Pellegrini tactically.

Joachim Loew is another talented manager who I'd be very happy with but he is probably less likely than Pep. He has a very safe job with the German national team and why would he give that up for us ?

I think Viera is doing a great job where he is for us and taking over is too early, if the results are poor then we would lose him for good and he should be brought into the first team picture when we get a top level coach.

Ancelotti has a decent record and is seen as a safe pair of hands, if he is sacked by Real Madrid then I can also see Utd going for him especially if they finish outside the top four which is still likely this season. His lack of league success over his management career worries me and hints at a lack of consistency from his teams. So for me I'd give him a miss.

Rafa Benitez has been mentioned before on here and I think he would be somewhere in the middle of Mancini and Pellegrini. It's been a while since his Valencia days and although he did have some restrictions at Liverpool financially he also signed some mediocre young players who were moved on at a loss. I don't think Napoli have improved since he's been there either, so I think he's yesterdays man as far as a top class manager these days.


So for me it has to be Klopp, but I can see City chasing either Benitez or Ancelotti because we still seem to be one step behind with any deals we make either management or player wise. This is all dependant on City sacking Pellegrini of course. For me the results haven't improved or been consistent enough. We don't win the big games and lose far too many points against the relegation threatened sides.

 

[sam-caddick]

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If Pellegrini does lose to Barcelona and fails to beat West Brom I do think he will be out by this time next week because we would be at risk of dropping out the top 4.

The only solution then would be to get Vieira in with his main target of getting the players on his side, motivating them, and then setting them up so they don't concede stupid goals.

The players should have enough quality to get them in the top 3 by themselves anyway.

Long term I think the best we can hope for is Bayern to win the Champions League because unless he wants to try and retain it I think going out on that note would be ideal from my perspective, he couldn't retain the CL with the greatest Barca side anyway, it's ridiculously hard to do.

I can see Txiki surprising us if Pep is not available, someone like Unai Emery, De Boer, Vieira etc...