Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

[bondsman]

If pep was always the plan why buy fernando, mangala and bony? None of these players fit the pep approach they're too slow and not technically good enough compared to his usual signings. If he was coming I think that our signings would have indicated this.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Are we back on the Pep pipe dream again?

 

[Marvin]

The common belief repeated any times now, and over the last 18 months, is that everything has been put in place so that when Pellegrini's contract expires, Pep's contract expires and we're both in the same place at the same time.

It's like the Earth spinning around the Sun, you look up in the sky one year on and it's in exactly in the same place (that must have totally freaked out the ancients no wonder they thought the Sun was a God).

But it's all gone wrong. I can understand the reluctance to change plan is true. It may have just been speculation. A nice idea. True or not, very high risk.

Klopp, Pep and Ancelotti keep getting mentioned, but the reality is only 1 is in play at the moment.

Real Madrid are 2 points off the top of La Liga and well placed to progress in the Champions League. He may well stay. Once again Bayern are walking away with the Bundesliga and may well progress too. 50/50. Despite the ispute with the medical staff, I doubt he'll leave this Summer, though it's worth keeping an eye on.

So for now City have 3 choices: Klopp, Pellegrini or Vieira.

And we have to be a bit more objective. There are lots of football clubs out there apart from City. West Ham, Spurs, Liverpool. All will be 50k stadia and clubs with big potential that might go for Klopp.

I think if we make a big play for Klopp we would get him, but if we get hung up over Pep we wont. When you've got the choice of the field you have to feel that the club really want you.

And in the meantime I still do not understand what is the problem with appointing Vieira as a temporary caretaker whether it be for 1 month or 12. Pellegrini is finished. It does seem to be the perfect stop gap. Let's face it if the links to Pep really are true then Pellegrini was a stop gap.

I'm subscribing to the Pep in 12 months theory because it all fits. It explains why City went for a short term appointment of Pellegrini. All speculative of course and a very very high risk game.

If true, I'd abandon it and go for Klopp

 

[Stephenhakin]

This for me is about as close to it as you can get. Too many coincidences for it not to be true about Pep and surely with something this important it's would have been agreed or not agreed already. I myself would prefer Klopp.

 

[NQCitizen]

It'd be interesting to see what some of Mancini's harshest critics make of it (without any dig - I'd be interested to hear Mister Appointment's take, genuinely)

Even Mancini never really came close to publicly humiliating a staff member who'd been there 40 years. Was good enough to win a CL right before Peps arrival. Now the whole medical team has resigned which is a bit unprecedented and surely is a pretty monumental catastrophe created by Pep.

I think most of the people on the forum who know me well know that I've never been all in on the idea of Pep managing us. I don't particularly like his character. He's far too close to managers like Mancini and Mourinho in that wherever they go and whatever they achieve, those achievements are their achievements rather than the clubs'. There's a cult of personality which follows them around which isn't necessarily healthy.

People will say that Klopp is similar, but I would respectfully disagree. Klopp has the character of the perennial outsider. He's aggressive yes, and he's media gold. But he lacks the machiavellian dark side which the three I've mentioned above definitely have.

I know I get accused of being a fanboy because I actually respect and trust the people running our club so this will no doubt be ignored as it doesn't fit the narrative - but if Txiki passes on Klopp to wait a year for Guardiola, even if that means bringing Ancelotti in, that would in my mind be a terrible decision. Not because it means waiting for Pep, but because it means passing on IMO a much better suited manager for City to wait for his mate.

That's my exact position too.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

It'd be interesting to see what some of Mancini's harshest critics make of it (without any dig - I'd be interested to hear Mister Appointment's take, genuinely)

Even Mancini never really came close to publicly humiliating a staff member who'd been there 40 years. Was good enough to win a CL right before Peps arrival. Now the whole medical team has resigned which is a bit unprecedented and surely is a pretty monumental catastrophe created by Pep.

I think most of the people on the forum who know me well know that I've never been all in on the idea of Pep managing us. I don't particularly like his character. He's far too close to managers like Mancini and Mourinho in that wherever they go and whatever they achieve, those achievements are their achievements rather than the clubs'. There's a cult of personality which follows them around which isn't necessarily healthy.

People will say that Klopp is similar, but I would respectfully disagree. Klopp has the character of the perennial outsider. He's aggressive yes, and he's media gold. But he lacks the machiavellian dark side which the three I've mentioned above definitely have.

I know I get accused of being a fanboy because I actually respect and trust the people running our club so this will no doubt be ignored as it doesn't fit the narrative - but if Txiki passes on Klopp to wait a year for Guardiola, even if that means bringing Ancelotti in, that would in my mind be a terrible decision. Not because it means waiting for Pep, but because it means passing on IMO a much better suited manager for City to wait for his mate.

Ferguson, Wenger, Shankly, Clough, Trapattoni aren't/weren't shrinking violets either. I don't think having a manager with touch or arrogance and self belief is a bad thing (Mourinho's antics I draw the line at). Let's face it, everyone sees the achievements at Dortmund as Klopp's. I imagine Klopp is every bit as shrewd and Machiavellian as all the aforementioned. In the short term achievements are inevitably attributed to the manager - they're appointed to bring success, however their achievements will forever belong to the club's roll of honour.

 

[BillyShears]

Ferguson, Wenger, Shankly, Clough, Trapattoni aren't/weren't shrinking violets either. I don't think having a manager with touch or arrogance and self belief is a bad thing (Mourinho's antics I draw the line at). Let's face it, everyone sees the achievements at Dortmund as Klopp's. I imagine Klopp is every bit as shrewd and Machiavellian as all the aforementioned. In the short term achievements are inevitably attributed to the manager - they're appointed to bring success, however their achievements will forever belong to the club's roll of honour.

It depends upon your point of view and mine is quite different from yours. I don't really care that much about winning big trophies ever year. Don't get me wrong, I love the challenge and of course I want us to win as many titles as possible. But not at any cost. I'll take a Wenger type manager with less trophies over a decade than the likes of Mourinho or Mancini - and Pep albeit to a lesser degree because he's less of a twat than the other two i've just mentioned.

The point is it isn't life and death for me. The winning things part. How we do it is just as important as if we do it.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

What an utter ****
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLKBvDyY1hw[/video]

 

[Marvin]

It'd be interesting to see what some of Mancini's harshest critics make of it (without any dig - I'd be interested to hear Mister Appointment's take, genuinely)

Even Mancini never really came close to publicly humiliating a staff member who'd been there 40 years. Was good enough to win a CL right before Peps arrival. Now the whole medical team has resigned which is a bit unprecedented and surely is a pretty monumental catastrophe created by Pep.

I think most of the people on the forum who know me well know that I've never been all in on the idea of Pep managing us. I don't particularly like his character. He's far too close to managers like Mancini and Mourinho in that wherever they go and whatever they achieve, those achievements are their achievements rather than the clubs'. There's a cult of personality which follows them around which isn't necessarily healthy.

People will say that Klopp is similar, but I would respectfully disagree. Klopp has the character of the perennial outsider. He's aggressive yes, and he's media gold. But he lacks the machiavellian dark side which the three I've mentioned above definitely have.

I know I get accused of being a fanboy because I actually respect and trust the people running our club so this will no doubt be ignored as it doesn't fit the narrative - but if Txiki passes on Klopp to wait a year for Guardiola, even if that means bringing Ancelotti in, that would in my mind be a terrible decision. Not because it means waiting for Pep, but because it means passing on IMO a much better suited manager for City to wait for his mate.

That's my exact position too.

Confusing success and intensity and the projection of other peoples views with what Pep thinks. How Pep ever made claims that he was solely responsible for Barcelona? Other people may say he is. That's what comes and being good and successful.

You could make these claims about Mourinho. He made the claim that he is a Special One. But that's all mind games and part of his fun anyway.

 

[inbetween]

We need to get in Ancelotti, so underestimated yet is the best manager in the world right now.

What we don't understand at the minute about Pep is Pep does what Pep wants. There is no contractual agreement for him to come here and him coming here is totally dependent on him wanting to. The offer may stand but he is hardly likely to leave a club like Bayern just to join up with some blokes who were at Barcelona at points during his time there.

I agree it fits in an ideal world but it doesn't fit as much as you would think. We are still completely dependent on Pep even wanting to come here which is no guarantee. At no single point as he ever said I will come to Manchester City when I am done here.