Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

[pml79]

The common belief repeated any times now, and over the last 18 months, is that everything has been put in place so that when Pellegrini's contract expires, Pep's contract expires and we're both in the same place at the same time.

It's like the Earth spinning around the Sun, you look up in the sky one year on and it's in exactly in the same place (that must have totally freaked out the ancients no wonder they thought the Sun was a God).

But it's all gone wrong. I can understand the reluctance to change plan is true. It may have just been speculation. A nice idea. True or not, very high risk.

Klopp, Pep and Ancelotti keep getting mentioned, but the reality is only 1 is in play at the moment.

Real Madrid are 2 points off the top of La Liga and well placed to progress in the Champions League. He may well stay. Once again Bayern are walking away with the Bundesliga and may well progress too. 50/50. Despite the ispute with the medical staff, I doubt he'll leave this Summer, though it's worth keeping an eye on.

So for now City have 3 choices: Klopp, Pellegrini or Vieira.

And we have to be a bit more objective. There are lots of football clubs out there apart from City. West Ham, Spurs, Liverpool. All will be 50k stadia and clubs with big potential that might go for Klopp.

I think if we make a big play for Klopp we would get him, but if we get hung up over Pep we wont. When you've got the choice of the field you have to feel that the club really want you.

And in the meantime I still do not understand what is the problem with appointing Vieira as a temporary caretaker whether it be for 1 month or 12. Pellegrini is finished. It does seem to be the perfect stop gap. Let's face it if the links to Pep really are true then Pellegrini was a stop gap.

I'm subscribing to the Pep in 12 months theory because it all fits. It explains why City went for a short term appointment of Pellegrini. All speculative of course and a very very high risk game.

If true, I'd abandon it and go for Klopp

Maybe Viera doesn't want it just yet? he knows the outlook and has a job he wants to finish with the EDS. The pressure will be on to finish strong and secure top 4 - he may not fancy it ( Shearer was put in a similar position at Newcastle) as he feels it may not be achievable due to where we are with some of the players. He knows what's going on.

Half of you think, just going in shouting and screaming will sort these overpaid loons out. Sorry but it won't work. That Whiskey nosed c**t was getting fed up with the antics of players and was done with football at the right time.

I want Klopp (1st choice) or Pep (2nd choice)

And if Klopp doesnt come what about next season? I have a feeling we are sticking with Manuel.

Me too any other top prem club would av sacked him weeks ago esp chelsea . That report about the players being blamed n not the manager for the season results plus the other about upto 14 players are up for sale gives me the impression that pellers is goin no where and they want him in next season too

 

[Stephenhakin]

Maybe Viera doesn't want it just yet? he knows the outlook and has a job he wants to finish with the EDS. The pressure will be on to finish strong and secure top 4 - he may not fancy it ( Shearer was put in a similar position at Newcastle) as he feels it may not be achievable due to where we are with some of the players. He knows what's going on.

Half of you think, just going in shouting and screaming will sort these overpaid loons out. Sorry but it won't work. That Whiskey nosed c**t was getting fed up with the antics of players and was done with football at the right time.

I want Klopp (1st choice) or Pep (2nd choice)

And if Klopp doesnt come what about next season? I have a feeling we are sticking with Manuel.

Me too any other top prem club would av sacked him weeks ago esp chelsea . That report about the players being blamed n not the manager for the season results plus the other about upto 14 players are up for sale gives me the impression that pellers is goin no where and they want him in next season too

Yeah probably forced into it more than wanting too I would imagine. Big risk though. Not sure what the answer is. Pretty sure Pep coming must be nailed on if we are not even going to entertain the idea of Klopp coming.

 

[crystal_mais]

Maybe Viera doesn't want it just yet? he knows the outlook and has a job he wants to finish with the EDS. The pressure will be on to finish strong and secure top 4 - he may not fancy it ( Shearer was put in a similar position at Newcastle) as he feels it may not be achievable due to where we are with some of the players. He knows what's going on.

Half of you think, just going in shouting and screaming will sort these overpaid loons out. Sorry but it won't work. That Whiskey nosed c**t was getting fed up with the antics of players and was done with football at the right time.

I want Klopp (1st choice) or Pep (2nd choice)

And if Klopp doesnt come what about next season? I have a feeling we are sticking with Manuel.

Me too any other top prem club would av sacked him weeks ago esp chelsea . That report about the players being blamed n not the manager for the season results plus the other about upto 14 players are up for sale gives me the impression that pellers is goin no where and they want him in next season too

I think we have a problem with players regardless of who is coming in. The first cycle is well and truly over. Be it Pep, Klopp, Carlo and any other - there are around 5-10 players that need replacing

 

[bumbleblue]

I think pml79 has a point. The fact that Manuel is still here, and the club is briefing about a player clear out, or appears to be, would indicate to me that they are backing their man. Perhaps there is behind the scenes stuff which makes them think they have the right manager and the wrong players. I would have some sympathy with that to be honest, but what do any of us really know about it (apart from our established itks).

 

[blueinsa]

And if Klopp doesnt come what about next season? I have a feeling we are sticking with Manuel.

Me too any other top prem club would av sacked him weeks ago esp chelsea . That report about the players being blamed n not the manager for the season results plus the other about upto 14 players are up for sale gives me the impression that pellers is goin no where and they want him in next season too

I think we have a problem with players regardless of who is coming in. The first cycle is well and truly over. Be it Pep, Klopp, Carlo and any other - there are around 5-10 players that need replacing

Correct. Yes the gaffer has made mistakes but far too many players have took the piss and are finished.

 

[flb]

The common belief repeated any times now, and over the last 18 months, is that everything has been put in place so that when Pellegrini's contract expires, Pep's contract expires and we're both in the same place at the same time.

It's like the Earth spinning around the Sun, you look up in the sky one year on and it's in exactly in the same place (that must have totally freaked out the ancients no wonder they thought the Sun was a God).

But it's all gone wrong. I can understand the reluctance to change plan is true. It may have just been speculation. A nice idea. True or not, very high risk.

Klopp, Pep and Ancelotti keep getting mentioned, but the reality is only 1 is in play at the moment.

Real Madrid are 2 points off the top of La Liga and well placed to progress in the Champions League. He may well stay. Once again Bayern are walking away with the Bundesliga and may well progress too. 50/50. Despite the ispute with the medical staff, I doubt he'll leave this Summer, though it's worth keeping an eye on.

So for now City have 3 choices: Klopp, Pellegrini or Vieira.

And we have to be a bit more objective. There are lots of football clubs out there apart from City. West Ham, Spurs, Liverpool. All will be 50k stadia and clubs with big potential that might go for Klopp.

I think if we make a big play for Klopp we would get him, but if we get hung up over Pep we wont. When you've got the choice of the field you have to feel that the club really want you.

And in the meantime I still do not understand what is the problem with appointing Vieira as a temporary caretaker whether it be for 1 month or 12. Pellegrini is finished. It does seem to be the perfect stop gap. Let's face it if the links to Pep really are true then Pellegrini was a stop gap.

I'm subscribing to the Pep in 12 months theory because it all fits. It explains why City went for a short term appointment of Pellegrini. All speculative of course and a very very high risk game.

If true, I'd abandon it and go for Klopp

If Peps relationship is as strong with Txiki as we are led to believe then he needs to shit or get off the pot, in an ideal World Pellegrini would disappear into the sunset at the end of his contract and Pep would arrive having honoured his contract at Bayern.

Football isn't the real World though and we need a manager a season early, if he knows he isn't going to extend his time at Bayern then what's the harm in telling them he's off now, if hes that vain about his reputation then he's not the man for us in my opinion.One thing is for sure the hierarchy at Bayern are not stupid-they know we are after him so lets see there next move in light of the entire medical staff resigning after the Porto loss.

Klopp could be doing us an indirect favour now and forcing Pep's hand-i just hope Txiki has the bollocks to call his bluff, friend or no friend.

 

[jollylescott]

It'd be interesting to see what some of Mancini's harshest critics make of it (without any dig - I'd be interested to hear Mister Appointment's take, genuinely)

Even Mancini never really came close to publicly humiliating a staff member who'd been there 40 years. Was good enough to win a CL right before Peps arrival. Now the whole medical team has resigned which is a bit unprecedented and surely is a pretty monumental catastrophe created by Pep.

I think most of the people on the forum who know me well know that I've never been all in on the idea of Pep managing us. I don't particularly like his character. He's far too close to managers like Mancini and Mourinho in that wherever they go and whatever they achieve, those achievements are their achievements rather than the clubs'. There's a cult of personality which follows them around which isn't necessarily healthy.

People will say that Klopp is similar, but I would respectfully disagree. Klopp has the character of the perennial outsider. He's aggressive yes, and he's media gold. But he lacks the machiavellian dark side which the three I've mentioned above definitely have.

I know I get accused of being a fanboy because I actually respect and trust the people running our club so this will no doubt be ignored as it doesn't fit the narrative - but if Txiki passes on Klopp to wait a year for Guardiola, even if that means bringing Ancelotti in, that would in my mind be a terrible decision. Not because it means waiting for Pep, but because it means passing on IMO a much better suited manager for City to wait for his mate.

For a well known fan boy that's a well reasoned post.

 

[bobmcfc]

I think pml79 has a point. The fact that Manuel is still here, and the club is briefing about a player clear out, or appears to be, would indicate to me that they are backing their man. Perhaps there is behind the scenes stuff which makes them think they have the right manager and the wrong players. I would have some sympathy with that to be honest, but what do any of us really know about it (apart from our established itks).

Imo the bullet is in the chamber just waiting to be fired. Klopp isn't leaving till July first so they are simply waiting till they can get this shambles of a season out of the way.

 

[crystal_mais]

Can I also add - the Sheikh and Khaldoon have a fair amount of sympathy for Pellegrini. I still think he will be relieved of his management duties at the end of the season and may end up with a role in the group.

This is now a battle for top 4 - Something has truly gone wrong since the turn of the year - I accept MP has serious tactical issues and I have backed him for the last 2 years, with the right players we would do better but I still think tactically he is just not at the level of Wenger, Mournino & even Toad face.

 

[FromPollockToSilva]

I was listening to Honigstein on Football Weekly this morning and he suggested that Klopp might not be a good fit for us, as he's used to having 80,000 incredibly passionate fans turning up every week and having an emotional connection to the team and its fanbase. Sly dig at our attendance aside, it got me thinking that in fact this is precisely what a number of our fans are crying out for: a charismatic, strong leader that we can rally behind and feel represented by.