flb said:Mister Appointment said:flb said:He will stay for the reason that the man they really want as manager isn't available at this moment in time, all I give a shit about is for whom will be signing players for in the summer,is it Pellegrini or the man who will succeed him.
I fully expect him to get a contract extension tbh
I don't think it's quite that cut and dried. The club will plan alternatives to Pep IMO whether it be this summer or next.
So who will we be spending the money for? Manuel knows his players and will know who will be peddled, surely a new manager will assess his squad then make decisions on changes-hardly leaves a lot of time to recruit new players?
Or are we buying blind for someone to come in 2016-17 season?
Mister Appointment said:flb said:Mister Appointment said:I don't think it's quite that cut and dried. The club will plan alternatives to Pep IMO whether it be this summer or next.
So who will we be spending the money for? Manuel knows his players and will know who will be peddled, surely a new manager will assess his squad then make decisions on changes-hardly leaves a lot of time to recruit new players?
Or are we buying blind for someone to come in 2016-17 season?
We'll be buying players for MCFC. That's what the DoF is there for. :)
querns said:Sergi0 Na5r1 said:Jurgen Klopp - yes. Likes playing "attractive football", changes his tactics around and may involve the youth players. Has some bad luck recently at BVB so getting him to move now might be easier.
Let me just put this quote here from a Dotmund forum which sums up his style. .
Gegenpressing is his only dimension, that's the whole point; he knows one style, and when that style declined in effectiveness, he hasn't shown an ability to adapt. This year was a perfect demonstration of that IMO; if you can't defeat the defence quickly, then you play a risky pass and then either make a connection or drive upfield to attack the ball to keep pushing the tempo up, that's what Klopp did. And when the players are demoralized and unmotivated, that risky pass becomes a lazy boot the ball up and hope it takes a lucky bounce. Its demonstrative of the inherent impatience within his system, and against properly organized defences, it becomes rarer and rarer to be able to defeat the defence quickly.
The same habits to boot the ball up when you can't beat the defence quickly by playing it on the ground were on show last season as well, only last season we had Lewandowski bringing the ball down on a lot of those aerial balls, sometimes singlehandedly holding the ball up against one or two defenders, and then passing it off to an on rushing player, masking the flaws to a great degree. Now this season we've also, to Klopp's credit, sometimes seen the slowing of the tempo and an attempt at a more patient approach, suggesting that Klopp sees the problem, but this is often impotent, just passing without purpose. My theory is that Klopp doesn't really know how to draw up or teach effective possession football that doesn't neccessarily look to the quickest route to goal, but the best one.
So Klopp is stuck in a dilemma; his instincts that propose a style of constant pushing of up-tempo gegenpressing, find the quickest route, wherein his players struggle to play the ball on the ground and end up too often playing aerial ping-pong, a bad habit carrying over from Lewandowski, when the system started to break downs last season, but he's also looking for an alternative he seemingly can't implement in the form of a slower more methodical system. Therefore, on the contrary, this season is the ultimate indictment of Klopp's one-dimensional outlook, and I don't understand how its anything but.
adrianr said:querns said:Sergi0 Na5r1 said:Jurgen Klopp - yes. Likes playing "attractive football", changes his tactics around and may involve the youth players. Has some bad luck recently at BVB so getting him to move now might be easier.
Let me just put this quote here from a Dotmund forum which sums up his style. .
Gegenpressing is his only dimension, that's the whole point; he knows one style, and when that style declined in effectiveness, he hasn't shown an ability to adapt. This year was a perfect demonstration of that IMO; if you can't defeat the defence quickly, then you play a risky pass and then either make a connection or drive upfield to attack the ball to keep pushing the tempo up, that's what Klopp did. And when the players are demoralized and unmotivated, that risky pass becomes a lazy boot the ball up and hope it takes a lucky bounce. Its demonstrative of the inherent impatience within his system, and against properly organized defences, it becomes rarer and rarer to be able to defeat the defence quickly.
The same habits to boot the ball up when you can't beat the defence quickly by playing it on the ground were on show last season as well, only last season we had Lewandowski bringing the ball down on a lot of those aerial balls, sometimes singlehandedly holding the ball up against one or two defenders, and then passing it off to an on rushing player, masking the flaws to a great degree. Now this season we've also, to Klopp's credit, sometimes seen the slowing of the tempo and an attempt at a more patient approach, suggesting that Klopp sees the problem, but this is often impotent, just passing without purpose. My theory is that Klopp doesn't really know how to draw up or teach effective possession football that doesn't neccessarily look to the quickest route to goal, but the best one.
So Klopp is stuck in a dilemma; his instincts that propose a style of constant pushing of up-tempo gegenpressing, find the quickest route, wherein his players struggle to play the ball on the ground and end up too often playing aerial ping-pong, a bad habit carrying over from Lewandowski, when the system started to break downs last season, but he's also looking for an alternative he seemingly can't implement in the form of a slower more methodical system. Therefore, on the contrary, this season is the ultimate indictment of Klopp's one-dimensional outlook, and I don't understand how its anything but.
Considering how desperately many of us on here are crying out for a higher tempo more aggressive pressing system, to see a fan of Dortmund plead for a slower more methodical approach is very interesting.
sam-caddick said:Guardiola would be the dream target.
Ancelotti would be a good target for the short term if we really wanted to just primarily focus on winning the Champions League with the current squad, long term I am not convinced Txiki and co would see him as a perfect fit.
Klopp won't be a City manager whilst Txiki and Ferran are running the club, hisd philosophy doesn't match theirs and I think he would be more suited to an Arsenal where could thrive off being an underdog like he was at Dortmund a few years ago.
Benitez is a no go for me, he was world class 10 years ago but not anymore, plus he isn't doing that well with Napoli despite spending 100m+ on the squad and like Klopp I don't think he fits Txiki's model.
I would not be surprised one bit to see Txiki appoint a coach who nobody is thinking of, someone like Unai Emery, Nuno Espírito Santo, De Boer, Tuchel, Vieira etc..
I wouldn't rule out Pellegrini having one more season so we can wait for Pep though, as mad as it sounds I think the whole plan all along was to wait for Pep and I can't see Txiki going against it.
Damocles said:adrianr said:querns said:Let me just put this quote here from a Dotmund forum which sums up his style. .
Considering how desperately many of us on here are crying out for a higher tempo more aggressive pressing system, to see a fan of Dortmund plead for a slower more methodical approach is very interesting.
True but it's worth noting that every single fan in the world complains about their manager wither being "a tinkerer" or "a one trick pony" when they are losing. The issue is with the oversimplification of the issues by fans rather than that Klopp is one dimensional.
Something to remember when reading these posts.