Disproving Christianity?

[Matty]

This country is a Christian one. Just one example, off the top of my head, Sunday shopping hours.

You kidding? This country hasn't really recognised anything to do with retail and the Christian observance for nearly a decade or more.

Any day but Sunday shops are open until 6pm minimum, later on many nights, they also open at 9am. This isn't the case on a Sunday. Tesco's is open 24 hours a day, apart from Sunday when it isn't. Sunday hours may have slackened, but they still exist. That's just one example.

 

[mackenzie]

You kidding? This country hasn't really recognised anything to do with retail and the Christian observance for nearly a decade or more.

Any day but Sunday shops are open until 6pm minimum, later on many nights, they also open at 9am. This isn't the case on a Sunday. Tesco's is open 24 hours a day, apart from Sunday when it isn't. Sunday hours may have slackened, but they still exist. That's just one example.

You should have seen it pre 1980?!!

There is an argument here that others (yours for example) "beliefs" have infringed upon the people who liked to abide by the Christian ethic of no Sunday trading.

And why is it always the Christian Faith that gets a hammering?

Anyway, anymore examples of how religion effects your life? Apart from the matter of shopping till you drop?

;-)

 

[BlueMooney]

And why is it always the Christian Faith that gets a hammering?

Just a thought, but it could be something to do with that's many people's "patch", so to speak.

I'm an atheist, certainly I'm nobody's idea of a Christian, but I sang Christian hymns in school every day. I recited the Lord's Prayer every day.

So my life has been affected more by Christianity than any other faith. I think that's why I'd feel more confident commenting on Christianity than any other faith.

One thing I do think sometimes needs to be said, though, is aimed at the atheists - to which, like I said earlier, I am one: Just because we're atheist doesn't automatically make us smarter than anyone else. That's often something that some people forget.

 

[levets]

Well go and put a muslim thread up asking why they believe in the dictator allah, and why some of their fellow so-called muslims feel the need to blow themselves up around others.

as i have said earlier in the thread my question is open to all faiths
allah/god/buddah/zeus/odin/ its all one and the same, they all believe in a higher being with no proof
unless you can provide it to me that is

by the way i don't have to disprove because i ain't making the claim it is you saying it does

maybe elanjo should have opened up to all and not just christianity

maybe elanjo should have opened up to all and not just christianity
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he likes an easy target... He hasn't got the bottle to raise the same issues with regards to Islam

 

[levets]

There is no such things as God.

Can I prove that? No. But as religious people don't have to prove God does exist I dont see why I should have to prove he doesn't.

My main issue is the effect Religion has on my day to day life, I think it's a crock of shit so why should it be allowed to have any effect on me, no matter how inconsequential?

My main issue is the effect Religion has on my day to day life
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Which is? Mine has no bearing on my day to day life, apart from trying to do the right things and respecting other peoples beliefs...
some of the 'power wankers' on this thread should try it...

 

[BlueHen]

If you are trying to logically prove or disprove Christianity, I would recommend starting by reading "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis.

However, Romans 12:1-8 sums it all up for my limited brain. It is much easier to strap a bomb on yourself and run into a cafe than do what these scriptures mandate.

 

[Matty]

There is no such things as God.

Can I prove that? No. But as religious people don't have to prove God does exist I dont see why I should have to prove he doesn't.

My main issue is the effect Religion has on my day to day life, I think it's a crock of shit so why should it be allowed to have any effect on me, no matter how inconsequential?

My main issue is the effect Religion has on my day to day life
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Which is? Mine has no bearing on my day to day life, apart from trying to do the right things and respecting other peoples beliefs...
some of the 'power wankers' on this thread should try it...

The USA has a HUGE influence on our lives, they are the reason the UK went into Iraq and Afghanistan. George Bush, as are most Republicans, is backed in a major way by organised religion (and big business). So, in a not so inconsequential way, you could argue that the power of religious groups in America has an effect on the lives of people living in the UK. I don't believe in God yet my life is affected by those who do, millions of pounds that could be spent on anything from education to the NHS is being spent on waging a war thousands or miles away, a war that was instigated by George W Bush, a man who was elected in no small part down to the funding he received from the religious far right.

 

[BlueHen]

If you are trying to prove or disprove Christianity from an intellectual standpoint, I recommend that you start by reading the bible (especially Romans 12:1-7).

If you choose not to do so, read "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis.

 

[levets]

And why is it always the Christian Faith that gets a hammering?

Just a thought, but it could be something to do with that's many people's "patch", so to speak.

I'm an atheist, certainly I'm nobody's idea of a Christian, but I sang Christian hymns in school every day. I recited the Lord's Prayer every day.

So my life has been affected more by Christianity than any other faith. I think that's why I'd feel more confident commenting on Christianity than any other faith.

One thing I do think sometimes needs to be said, though, is aimed at the atheists - to which, like I said earlier, I am one: Just because we're atheist doesn't automatically make us smarter than anyone else. That's often something that some people forget.

because we're atheist doesn't automatically make us smarter than anyone else. That's often something that some people forget
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Well said. There are some who should take heed...

 

[ElanJo]

As demonstrated by your previous post in this thread, you didn't even understand the structure of the argument so you thinking that it was a loaded OP is baseless. I asked for refutations and only Damocles has attempted to but I can only presume that, since he didn't follow up on it, he was satisfied with my answer. My argument is genuine.

You and levets can continue insulting me but that won't refute the argument (which I'd be perfectly fine with having successfully refuted - it's not a massive deal, I just think that it is quite compelling).

You are right in that I didn't quite understand your original argument. I found it clumsy and ill thought out. For example you assert that 'God is a dictator' as a matter of fact, but it isn't a fact is it? That's your opinion. And if, as you are keen to prove, God doesn't in fact exist, then how can he/she be a dictator?

I chose not to take you up on your original argument, because it isn't one that be 'won' either way. I can't prove God exists any more than you can prove he does not.

And I don't believe I've insulted you?

It is a fact. He is the supreme authority. If you have children you dictate to them what they can and can not do, what rules they have to live by, punishments etc. A Dictator can be benign.

And if, as you are keen to prove, God doesn't in fact exist, then how can he/she be a dictator?

I am using the claims made in the Bible, claims that most Christians accept, to argue against the Biblical God. There is nothing wrong or contradictory about that.

The structure of the argument is a kind of syllogism, such as:

1. All mammals breathe air
2. A Whale breathes air
3. Therefore a Whale is a mammal.

And I think it is pretty insulting for you to swan on here making accusations about the purpose of the thread and the argument when you don't even understand the argument.

as i have said earlier in the thread my question is open to all faiths
allah/god/buddah/zeus/odin/ its all one and the same, they all believe in a higher being with no proof
unless you can provide it to me that is

by the way i don't have to disprove because i ain't making the claim it is you saying it does

maybe elanjo should have opened up to all and not just christianity

maybe elanjo should have opened up to all and not just christianity
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he likes an easy target... He hasn't got the bottle to raise the same issues with regards to Islam

I've already said that this argument could possibly work for Islam aswell but may not - I'm not as familiar with the claims of Islam as I am Christianity. I've lived in a "Christian country" all my life so it's hardly surprising is it? Sorry if that makes you feel butthurt, I can't do much about it I'm afraid.
You haven't got the bottle to tackle the actual argument I made, instead you just keep popping in with insults - It's all you ever do. You're a bit of a joke really, aren't you? :)