Do Aliens actually exist ?

[Centurions]

Wow, the level of certainty and guarantees being chucked about for something that all evidence and science proves demonstrably doesnt exist is staggering

Have you got a link for that mate?

I'd like to see this "proof" also.

I look at it thus, the chance of life on this planet would seem infinitesimally small and yet here we are. Therefore with an astoundingly large number (40 Billion) of Earth like planets just in the Milky Way then it must be guaranteed that there's life elsewhere.

Of course some of this life may have already ran it's course and no longer exist or indeed not reached sentience yet, the odds of us every actually meeting them however is probably zero, space is really, really big.

On November 4, 2013, astronomers reported, based on Kepler space mission data, that there could be as many as 40 billion Earth-sized planets orbiting in the habitable zones of Sun-like stars and red dwarf stars within the Milky Way Galaxy. The nearest such planet may be 12 light-years away.

Earth analog - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I've no evidence for the existence of aliens, but with space being so vast we can't even conceptualise its edge/end I think it's quite arrogant to assume we are the only intelligent life form in it. That assumption is a bit like the early conceptions of earth being the centre of the universe with everything else revolving round it, or some isolated tribe in the Amazon a few hundred years ago thinking they were the only humans on earth.
On the other hand, to assume we are significant enough to ever end up making contact / meeting other intelligent life is also arrogant - they probably won't be that arsed unless they want to eat us.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I'd like to see this "proof" also.

I look at it thus, the chance of life on this planet would seem infinitesimally small and yet here we are. Therefore with an astoundingly large number (40 Billion) of Earth like planets just in the Milky Way then it must be guaranteed that there's life elsewhere.

Of course some of this life may have already ran it's course and no longer exist or indeed not reached sentience yet, the odds of us every actually meeting them however is probably zero, space is really, really big.

Earth analog - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

7 years is a long time in science research.
Current views are that earth sized rock planets in Goldilocks zones are very rare.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I’m just going to throw in God creating man in his image and not doing the same elsewhere and I’m now going to leg it before the atheist pile on ;-)

Early humans didn’t have teles, radios, smart phones or books to keep them occupied in the evenings after a day’s hunting. They had the sky.

They knew that seasons were important, especially the further North you went where Winters were harsher. They knew that that the Sun is what makes everything grow and live, the Summer is when that happens. They knew what the planets, stars and constellations were in the sky and they attached stories to them like we do in our films and books. They even built land calendars and monuments to map the sky and the seasons.

Over time those stories become legends and the people attached to those stories become gods and the main one, the Sun, the monotheistic god. Those land calendars and monuments became places of worship. Then religions come from all of that.

The Sun didn’t create humans in its own image otherwise we’d be loads of little fireballs.

 

[Ban-jani]

Early humans didn’t have teles, radios, smart phones or books to keep them occupied in the evenings after a day’s hunting. They had the sky.

They knew that seasons were important, especially the further North you went where Winters were harsher. They knew that that the Sun is what makes everything grow and live, the Summer is when that happens. They knew what the planets, stars and constellations were in the sky and they attached stories to them like we do in our films and books. They even built land calendars and monuments to map the sky and the seasons.

Over time those stories become legends and the people attached to those stories become gods and the main one, the Sun, the monotheistic god. Those land calendars and monuments became places of worship. Then religions come from all of that.

The Sun didn’t create humans in its own image otherwise we’d be loads of little fireballs.

The Sun didn’t but God did.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

The Sun didn’t but God did.

My belief is that god (and Jesus too) is just a personification of the Sun, passed down through stories and legends over generations from early humans that grew into religions.

 

[Ban-jani]

My belief is that god (and Jesus too) is just a personification of the Sun, passed down through stories and legends over generations from early humans that grew into religions.

You’re welcome to that view and I know you’re a reasonable fella.

If you fancy it, have a Google of Maximalists vs Minimalists when it comes to scholarship.

The former group of scholars say that, whilst they don’t believe the supernatural claims, that the life of Jesus depicted the Gospels is very accurate and he 100% existed and died by crucifixion, basically everything is true about the story but his claims weren’t.

The latter, the Minimalists, say that it’s fabricated and the man may have existed but nothing in the story happened.

Even among secular scholars, the Maximalists won the argument years ago and the Minimalists are now a tiny minority in the study of the historical Jesus. In fact, there’s only one or two around now out of 100’s and Price is one of them.

The finding of Roman documents, dating back to the 2nd century, before Christianity became the main religion in Rome, talking about Christians as followers of a man they crucified for blasphemy, ended the debate for many.

I think you’re referring to the claims on Zeitgeist, which to be honest was a pretty ridiculous film, filled with conspiracy nonsense.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Which gospels?
The ones the Popes accepted fitted their doctrine best or the majority they binned and banned for heresy?

 

[Chippy_boy]

7 years is a long time in science research.
Current views are that earth sized rock planets in Goldilocks zones are very rare.

Yes but very rate x lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of possible occurrences = trillions of them. I realise you know this of course.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

You’re welcome to that view and I know you’re a reasonable fella.

If you fancy it, have a Google of Maximalists vs Minimalists when it comes to scholarship.

The former group of scholars say that, whilst they don’t believe the supernatural claims, that the life of Jesus depicted the Gospels is very accurate and he 100% existed and died by crucifixion, basically everything is true about the story but his claims weren’t.

The latter, the Minimalists, say that it’s fabricated and the man may have existed but nothing in the story happened.

Even among secular scholars, the Maximalists won the argument years ago and the Minimalists are now a tiny minority in the study of the historical Jesus. In fact, there’s only one or two around now out of 100’s and Price is one of them.

The finding of Roman documents, dating back to the 2nd century, before Christianity became the main religion in Rome, talking about Christians as followers of a man they crucified for blasphemy, ended the debate for many.

I think you’re referring to the claims on Zeitgeist, which to be honest was a pretty ridiculous film, filled with conspiracy nonsense.

Mainly the claims of Graves and others on that topic. Zeitgeist Part 1 is just one of them. Despite being a lot of conspiracy stuff in Zeitgeist on the whole as a film, the Part 1 religion section has a lot of truths in it from the Jesus stories that predate Jesus, to the astronomy and from that astrology that has been observed and worshipped for many thousands of years relating to the cosmos and the Sun.

As I said in the Christmas songs thread, we’ve been mapping, following, celebrating and worshipping the cosmos and the seasons for thousands of years in Britain and other parts of Northern Europe. And right across the world there are personified Sun gods stories.

I have read snippets and articles of all sorts of things like the MvM debate you mentioned but never a full book.

I should delve deeper. I would go from maximalists to minimalists to mythicists though, as I think there is much credibility in the myth theory. Whether that myth is of Jesus not existing or just that his story is a myth, I’ve not made my mind up about yet, and maybe never will. But I’m convinced his story is just a personification story of the Sun, just like all the others, even if he did exist.