Blue Maverick
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Removing rest days nd then the first crash will open up corporate manslaughter but the fuckers who implemented it won’t be anywhere around just like the post office scandal, twats.
Do you support the RMT?
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Dear RMT Member,
*MoU - Memorandum of Understanding
DEFEND JOBS, PAY AND CONDITIONS - TRAIN OPERATING COMPANIES
The mass meeting for all Train Operating Company Second Stage Representatives, Lead Officers, NEC, and National Officers to discuss the current situation has now taken place. The meeting was well attended with all companies involved in the MoU represented, aside from Cross Country, where the RMT are currently addressing another issue
The MoU and 2023 pay negotiations with the Train Operating Companies (TOCs) have now concluded. However, no company has provided a full and final offer. It is incredibly frustrating that this process has been dragged out for longer than it should have. This process has been made difficult as the Department for Transport (DfT) have placed certain restraints on the Train Operating Companies, making negotiations incredibly difficult. These restraints have often led to inflexibility from TOCs in certain areas of negotiation. The delay is also largely due to the fact that each TOC now has to submit a proposal to the DfT for approval before it can be presented to the Union as a full and final offer.
It is important to remember that the pay offer from the TOCs is a below inflation offer of 4% in exchange for members agreeing to changes to their Terms and Conditions.
It should also be noted that RMT Driver members are still currently in dispute, taking industrial action and trying to achieve a fair offer in the national dispute. We are monitoring discussions that will impact our Driver grade members. Parallel talks with ASLEF over the drive grade are taking place. We will need to consider these discussions and any proposals on our driver members, and any potential impact these parallel talks will have on several grades within the RMT.
RMT members should be aware that any offer that is received from the TOCs will be forensically examined by your Union. Each offer will be analysed to ensure that there are no detrimental changes to members' hard-fought terms and conditions and any changes will be carefully considered. The Union's National Executive Committee will also be carefully scrutinising what has been offered and an informed decision will be taken.
We should all remember that this dispute started from the National Dispute where every TOC and grade came out in support of each other. You will remember the picket lines of all grades, where we stood unified in solidarity. Having entered into this dispute together we will continue to stand together and ultimately come out of dispute together. There will be many challenges in keeping all 15 TOCs together in a united fashion. However, that is what the RMT has always done. The RMT has continually stood on a proud principled tradition that no grade gets left behind, and an injury to one is an injury to all. The RMT will continue to uphold this tradition, fighting for every grade at every TOC. I urge you to continue to support your Union and your colleagues across the rail network, standing shoulder to shoulder and achieving the best possible deal for all members.
I trust this keeps you advised, and I will update you on any further developments.
Yours sincerely,
Michael Lynch
General Secretary
*MoU - Memorandum of Understanding
DEFEND JOBS, PAY AND CONDITIONS - TRAIN OPERATING COMPANIES
The mass meeting for all Train Operating Company Second Stage Representatives, Lead Officers, NEC, and National Officers to discuss the current situation has now taken place. The meeting was well attended with all companies involved in the MoU represented, aside from Cross Country, where the RMT are currently addressing another issue
The MoU and 2023 pay negotiations with the Train Operating Companies (TOCs) have now concluded. However, no company has provided a full and final offer. It is incredibly frustrating that this process has been dragged out for longer than it should have. This process has been made difficult as the Department for Transport (DfT) have placed certain restraints on the Train Operating Companies, making negotiations incredibly difficult. These restraints have often led to inflexibility from TOCs in certain areas of negotiation. The delay is also largely due to the fact that each TOC now has to submit a proposal to the DfT for approval before it can be presented to the Union as a full and final offer.
It is important to remember that the pay offer from the TOCs is a below inflation offer of 4% in exchange for members agreeing to changes to their Terms and Conditions.
It should also be noted that RMT Driver members are still currently in dispute, taking industrial action and trying to achieve a fair offer in the national dispute. We are monitoring discussions that will impact our Driver grade members. Parallel talks with ASLEF over the drive grade are taking place. We will need to consider these discussions and any proposals on our driver members, and any potential impact these parallel talks will have on several grades within the RMT.
RMT members should be aware that any offer that is received from the TOCs will be forensically examined by your Union. Each offer will be analysed to ensure that there are no detrimental changes to members' hard-fought terms and conditions and any changes will be carefully considered. The Union's National Executive Committee will also be carefully scrutinising what has been offered and an informed decision will be taken.
We should all remember that this dispute started from the National Dispute where every TOC and grade came out in support of each other. You will remember the picket lines of all grades, where we stood unified in solidarity. Having entered into this dispute together we will continue to stand together and ultimately come out of dispute together. There will be many challenges in keeping all 15 TOCs together in a united fashion. However, that is what the RMT has always done. The RMT has continually stood on a proud principled tradition that no grade gets left behind, and an injury to one is an injury to all. The RMT will continue to uphold this tradition, fighting for every grade at every TOC. I urge you to continue to support your Union and your colleagues across the rail network, standing shoulder to shoulder and achieving the best possible deal for all members.
I trust this keeps you advised, and I will update you on any further developments.
Yours sincerely,
Michael Lynch
General Secretary
TinFoilHat
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Government being cunts shocker
TinFoilHat
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On a good day to bury bad news.
My union has obtained a leaked email from LNER stating that all managers who worked from home during the pandemic have been awarded a COVID bonus one off payment of £2,700.
Front line staff, who worked risking their lives on trains and platforms are being given fuck all.
The Tory DFT signed this off just before the election was called...
My union has obtained a leaked email from LNER stating that all managers who worked from home during the pandemic have been awarded a COVID bonus one off payment of £2,700.
Front line staff, who worked risking their lives on trains and platforms are being given fuck all.
The Tory DFT signed this off just before the election was called...
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See your previous post!!
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Fred_Quimby
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With the Nasty Party no longer in charge does this mean that the bosses will no longer get their strike losses covered by us the tax payer?
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I'll be interested to see what the new government instructs the DFT.
it depends what the terms of the franchise is that the Tory government signed
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23rd July 2024
TO ALL TRAIN OPERATING COMPANY MEMBERS
Dear RMT Member
PAY UPDATE - TRAIN OPERATING COMPANIES
Further to my last update of 17th July 2024, I can now confirm that officials from the Department for Transport (DfT) have been in touch and a meeting to discuss a pay proposal is being arranged for early next week.
This meeting will be directly between National RMT Officers and Senior DfT Officials and will not involve the Rail Delivery Group. The RDG will no longer have any remit or involvement to deal with discussions on your pay and conditions still outstanding from the recent dispute, nor going forward.
I will of course update you on the progress and developments in these discussions with the DfT.
Yours sincerely,
Michael Lynch
General Secretary
Labour fucked off the Tory proxy RDG. Looks promising.
TO ALL TRAIN OPERATING COMPANY MEMBERS
Dear RMT Member
PAY UPDATE - TRAIN OPERATING COMPANIES
Further to my last update of 17th July 2024, I can now confirm that officials from the Department for Transport (DfT) have been in touch and a meeting to discuss a pay proposal is being arranged for early next week.
This meeting will be directly between National RMT Officers and Senior DfT Officials and will not involve the Rail Delivery Group. The RDG will no longer have any remit or involvement to deal with discussions on your pay and conditions still outstanding from the recent dispute, nor going forward.
I will of course update you on the progress and developments in these discussions with the DfT.
Yours sincerely,
Michael Lynch
General Secretary
Labour fucked off the Tory proxy RDG. Looks promising.
TinFoilHat
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14.25% no strings over 3 years offered to drivers.
They'll take that. Along with back pay it might make the driver shortage more acute as some will put into retire on the back of the rise. A third of drivers at my depot have openly said once it's done they are handing their cards in.
I'm not expecting that much for other grades. Possibly 9% for 2 years.
RMT are meeting next Tuesday with DFT to broker a deal.
They'll take that. Along with back pay it might make the driver shortage more acute as some will put into retire on the back of the rise. A third of drivers at my depot have openly said once it's done they are handing their cards in.
I'm not expecting that much for other grades. Possibly 9% for 2 years.
RMT are meeting next Tuesday with DFT to broker a deal.
bluethrunthru
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Yeah - much better left to the private sector - the railways have been a success story over the last 2 years and private equity is the way forward - look at ASDA
Union calls for urgent action to protect jobs as Asda ‘fights for survival’
GMB accuses owner TDR Capital of mismanagement as sales at supermarket fall 6%
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That statement really did make me chuckle!Yeah - much better left to the private sector - the railways have been a success story over the last 2 years and private equity is the way forward - look at ASDA
Union calls for urgent action to protect jobs as Asda ‘fights for survival’
GMB accuses owner TDR Capital of mismanagement as sales at supermarket fall 6%
Johnny Mars Bar
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Without the politics and union arguments, how much does a train driver actually make? I’ve read wildly different numbers.
Say a driver who’s been at it for 5 years and drives a bog standard northern rail type commuter train.
Obvs the main line high speed train drivers get paid more (I’d assume)
Say a driver who’s been at it for 5 years and drives a bog standard northern rail type commuter train.
Obvs the main line high speed train drivers get paid more (I’d assume)
There's more to the Asda story than meets the eye, take each case isolation. I'm yet to see any Union leader(s) who could run such a business so for them to say 'get your act together' is a bit rich IMOYeah - much better left to the private sector - the railways have been a success story over the last 2 years and private equity is the way forward - look at ASDA
Union calls for urgent action to protect jobs as Asda ‘fights for survival’
GMB accuses owner TDR Capital of mismanagement as sales at supermarket fall 6%
metalblue
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£60k is the average today, will be £69k if they accept this. It doesn’t feel an excessive wage in all honesty, probably on the low side.
fallowfield
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Northern Rail is £54,500 when fully qualified - takes 3 years to get to that salary.
Will be £62K ish after this pay rise.
metalblue
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That’s the issue with averages mate. Undoubtedly includes those in that there London which always skews results. It does feel like it should be a mid £70k profession.
Totally off topic but I went to a Hurricane day at Duxford the other week and those that designed our WW2 aircraft were drawn from the rail industry as they were the place to find the very best designers and engineers on offer. Never knew that but found it fascinating.
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I understand that for a role that requires a lot of technical training and involves being in control of people’s lives every day, it’s maybe a modest salary.
But it is double the average UK wage.
Not saying they don’t deserve the pay rise but my personal sympathy is probably more with people working their arses off in lower paid jobs.