Do you support the RMT?

Its fuckin amazing that you can post a letter in lands end and it gets to john o groats next day for a quid or whatever. But with less n less letters being sent then how longs that sustainable? Surely then RM become just another delivery company and if the posties are saying “well im not doing this or that or the other” i worry they are hurrying on the decline

And ill check but yes rm lost in the region of £400m
Royal Mail announced record profits in March, the majority of which was shelled out in dividends. The figure you quote is projected losses for the current year.
Given that while we were out and about delivering those record profits the company was issuing profit warnings I'd take that figure with a pinch of salt.
 
I’ve no idea about the ins and outs of Royal Mail finances. Clearly the amount of ordinary mail that gets posted has reduced dramatically over the years. And will continue to do so. But it’s still an incredible service they offer when you think about it. Stick a letter in a box conveniently situated at the top of your road and have it delivered personally to an address maybe 400 miles away for less than the price of a pint of milk. None of the new kids on the block are offering anything that can compete with that.
Does anyone even send or receive mail nowadays? Our postman never comes here and the only things that drop through the letterbox are bills and adverts for kebab shops. In the age of the internet we could really do without both.

The last time I posted a letter was to send off our signed contract for our house and that was 3 years ago, I literally have no idea how much a stamp costs today.
 
Whilst I agree with the right to strike and that people should be paid a living wage you can't help but feel with the latest strikes that some people will lose sympathy with the rail workers as it is increasingly becoming a service you cannot use. If it's not strikes it's the dreaded replacement bus services most weekends. Having to travel from London on a train that has not been cleaned for weeks sometimes can lead you to look for alternative transport.

Its been a shit service for years - the strikes are in part the workers attempt to try and fix it - I had to drive my daughter to and from Carlisle almost weekly to Uni because you couldn't rely on the weekend service between there and Middlesbrough and she graduated over 3 years ago.

For nearly a decade the line from Yorkshire to the west coast has been a joke as will be confirmed by anyone who used to commute by train into Manchester or Leeds - at one stage the money for an upgrade was stolen to shore up costs for the construction of the bloody Elizabeth Line in London whilst up north we were left with obsolete Pacer trains - the strikes are trying to rectify years of neglect
 
Does anyone even send or receive mail nowadays? Our postman never comes here and the only things that drop through the letterbox are bills and adverts for kebab shops. In the age of the internet we could really do without both.

The last time I posted a letter was to send off our signed contract for our house and that was 3 years ago, I literally have no idea how much a stamp costs today.

Does anybody ever go to the ballet anymore? I’ve never been in my life, so can only assume that nobody else does.
 
Its fuckin amazing that you can post a letter in lands end and it gets to john o groats next day for a quid or whatever. But with less n less letters being sent then how longs that sustainable? Surely then RM become just another delivery company and if the posties are saying “well im not doing this or that or the other” i worry they are hurrying on the decline

And ill check but yes rm lost in the region of £400m

Its viable and sustainable as long as its not all about shareholders dividends but about us, the customer and them providing us a service which is what you describe

 
These new strike proposals aren't ruining Christmas as the media would have you believe. They start at 6pm on the 24th December until the 27th of December. Now anybody who has ever travelled by train on the 24th or the 27th December will know it's an absolute nightmare anyway. After 6pm on the 24th most networks run no trains whatsoever and those that do operate on a much reduced capacity. On the 27th it's a skeleton service. Christmas and boxing day no trains run at all and haven't for decades. Add on anybody who has used the dreadful Avanti service between Manchester and London will know it's not fit for purpose at anytime never mind peak periods or during a dispute.

No worker goes on strike easily, they don't get paid when on strike. I know, I've been there. Strikes are rarely purely about pay either they also involve changes to manning and working practices. This means fewer people doing the same work but expected to deliver the same service and usually working longer hours with more responsibility added. People forget once jobs are cut in an industry they aren't coming back, they're lost forever. That means fewer jobs for your children and grandchildren and the ones that are left come with more stress and hours to work with the added downside to health and accidents such extra pressures bring. It's funny how it's always the workers that are painted as the bad guys in disputes but not the management and companies divvying up the wealth created by those same workers but not wanting to share a little with them to make their lives easier and more pleasant.

The media who drive this narrative are of course owned by very rich men with a vested interest in keeping this status quo going. Why wouldn't they, they are the ones who profit from doing so. The amusing thing is other working class people swallow it even though often their own jobs are crap. That's where the punching down tactic comes into effect. "How dare X,y and z earn X amount and want more when the poor nurses only earn X amount ( I used nurses as they're often the emotional argument put forward.) Funny now it IS the nurses fighting for more the same press are demonising them saying they are already on film star wages and get a great deal. See how this works?

Here's a link to an article with an unedited version of a video with the RMT leader Mick Cash on the latest proposed strike dates. The union members are also being balloted on whether to accept the governments/ rail companies latest offer. Of course eventually they probably will as hardship begins to bite. Time will tell.

 
These new strike proposals aren't ruining Christmas as the media would have you believe. They start at 6pm on the 24th December until the 27th of December. Now anybody who has ever travelled by train on the 24th or the 27th December will know it's an absolute nightmare anyway. After 6pm on the 24th most networks run no trains whatsoever and those that do operate on a much reduced capacity. On the 27th it's a skeleton service. Christmas and boxing day no trains run at all and haven't for decades. Add on anybody who has used the dreadful Avanti service between Manchester and London will know it's not fit for purpose at anytime never mind peak periods or during a dispute.

No worker goes on strike easily, they don't get paid when on strike. I know, I've been there. Strikes are rarely purely about pay either they also involve changes to manning and working practices. This means fewer people doing the same work but expected to deliver the same service and usually working longer hours with more responsibility added. People forget once jobs are cut in an industry they aren't coming back, they're lost forever. That means fewer jobs for your children and grandchildren and the ones that are left come with more stress and hours to work with the added downside to health and accidents such extra pressures bring. It's funny how it's always the workers that are painted as the bad guys in disputes but not the management and companies divvying up the wealth created by those same workers but not wanting to share a little with them to make their lives easier and more pleasant.

The media who drive this narrative are of course owned by very rich men with a vested interest in keeping this status quo going. Why wouldn't they, they are the ones who profit from doing so. The amusing thing is other working class people swallow it even though often their own jobs are crap. That's where the punching down tactic comes into effect. "How dare X,y and z earn X amount and want more when the poor nurses only earn X amount ( I used nurses as they're often the emotional argument put forward.) Funny now it IS the nurses fighting for more the same press are demonising them saying they are already on film star wages and get a great deal. See how this works?

Here's a link to an article with an unedited version of a video with the RMT leader Mick Cash on the latest proposed strike dates. The union members are also being balloted on whether to accept the governments/ rail companies latest offer. Of course eventually they probably will as hardship begins to bite. Time will tell.


ORR Stats are that 322m rail journeys were made in the quarter Apr-Jun 2022. The Xmas strikes will impact 2m journeys over 24th to the 27th - hardly going to ruin Xmas in my view
 
These new strike proposals aren't ruining Christmas as the media would have you believe. They start at 6pm on the 24th December until the 27th of December. Now anybody who has ever travelled by train on the 24th or the 27th December will know it's an absolute nightmare anyway. After 6pm on the 24th most networks run no trains whatsoever and those that do operate on a much reduced capacity. On the 27th it's a skeleton service. Christmas and boxing day no trains run at all and haven't for decades. Add on anybody who has used the dreadful Avanti service between Manchester and London will know it's not fit for purpose at anytime never mind peak periods or during a dispute.

No worker goes on strike easily, they don't get paid when on strike. I know, I've been there. Strikes are rarely purely about pay either they also involve changes to manning and working practices. This means fewer people doing the same work but expected to deliver the same service and usually working longer hours with more responsibility added. People forget once jobs are cut in an industry they aren't coming back, they're lost forever. That means fewer jobs for your children and grandchildren and the ones that are left come with more stress and hours to work with the added downside to health and accidents such extra pressures bring. It's funny how it's always the workers that are painted as the bad guys in disputes but not the management and companies divvying up the wealth created by those same workers but not wanting to share a little with them to make their lives easier and more pleasant.

The media who drive this narrative are of course owned by very rich men with a vested interest in keeping this status quo going. Why wouldn't they, they are the ones who profit from doing so. The amusing thing is other working class people swallow it even though often their own jobs are crap. That's where the punching down tactic comes into effect. "How dare X,y and z earn X amount and want more when the poor nurses only earn X amount ( I used nurses as they're often the emotional argument put forward.) Funny now it IS the nurses fighting for more the same press are demonising them saying they are already on film star wages and get a great deal. See how this works?

Here's a link to an article with an unedited version of a video with the RMT leader Mick Cash on the latest proposed strike dates. The union members are also being balloted on whether to accept the governments/ rail companies latest offer. Of course eventually they probably will as hardship begins to bite. Time will tell.


I'd contest the 'skeleton service' on the 27th.

It used to be the more limited bank holiday service, but in recent years it's been a standard bank holiday/Sunday service. It's far from skeleton in my experience.

With the West Coast line being cut at Rugby after Christmas, it'll make train travel to London even more of a lottery.
 

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