Bus drivers are getting well above minimum wage. Bus companies had to compete with Amazon during lockdown.
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Everyone is paying for the Truss/Kwarteng budget. Pay rises are to pay for that.Yes, that’s right. Everyone pays for the industrial action.
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Ok, so the double digit pay increases for bus drivers and the subsequent rise in bus fares are because of Liz Truss, rather than the industrial action implemented by the unions. Interesting.Everyone is paying for the Truss/Kwarteng budget. Pay rises are to pay for that.
She was a disgrace and completely out of her depth, and I’m surprised that she lasted as long as she did. But I hadn’t realised that higher bus fares were the biggest consequence of her short time in office. Although she’d probably want that as a legacy rather than the reality.
And it wasn’t a budget either, by the way. A key reason for the fallout and market reaction was of course due to her and Kwarteng doing what they did outside of the usual budget forecasting round. But that’s probably just annoying pedantry, isn’t it?
You saved my saying it was pedantry. Was your last paragraph a condemnation or an excuse?Ok, so the double digit pay increases for bus drivers and the subsequent rise in bus fares are because of Liz Truss, rather than the industrial action implemented by the unions. Interesting.
She was a disgrace and completely out of her depth, and I’m surprised that she lasted as long as she did. But I hadn’t realised that higher bus fares were the biggest consequence of her short time in office. Although she’d probably want that as a legacy rather than the reality.
And it wasn’t a budget either, by the way. A key reason for the fallout and market reaction was of course due to her and Kwarteng doing what they did outside of the usual budget forecasting round. But that’s probably just annoying pedantry, isn’t it?
And you've mixed two posts in another "What I think you'd say" style (aka exaggeration, aka cobblers). I never said bus drivers' higher pay was because of Liz Truss - "Bus drivers are getting well above minimum wage. Bus companies had to compete with Amazon during lockdown". Even after the Truss / Kwarteng pedantic budget, it's still market forces that are empowering the bus drivers.
And that's initially down to the loss of EU lorry drivers; that created a seller's market for the labour of drivers.
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Right, yes.You saved my saying it was pedantry. Was your last paragraph a condemnation or an excuse?
And you've mixed two posts in another "What I think you'd say" style (aka exaggeration, aka cobblers). I never said bus drivers' higher pay was because of Liz Truss - "Bus drivers are getting well above minimum wage. Bus companies had to compete with Amazon during lockdown". Even after the Truss / Kwarteng pedantic budget, it's still market forces that are empowering the bus drivers.
And that's initially down to the loss of EU lorry drivers; that created a seller's market for the labour of drivers.
So just for the avoidance of doubt, and so I don’t get it wrong again, when you post “Everyone is paying for the Truss/Kwarteng budget. Pay rises are to pay for that”, what you really mean is Amazon and EU lorry drivers. How silly of me not seeing that from your post.
Jesus.
Transdev current recruitment page:Bus drivers are getting well above minimum wage. Bus companies had to compete with Amazon during lockdown.
You’ll start on our standard rate of £12 per hour. If you’re a non-licence holder, you’ll get £11 per hour for your first year of service and then £12 per hour afterwards.
Well above...
What was this "moral" stand?It’s not just their business he is being ostracised from. The Bristol Trade Union Council, accepted and approved a motion by ASLEF for all members of any union in the Bristol area to boycott “pubs that are not friendly towards unions”.
One man dares to refuse a booking and the entire apparatus of all unions in tbe Bristol area is railed against him? Did he act in an unfriendly way towards unions or merely hold what he perceived as a moral stand? Glad to see the left in Bristol are so tolerant of different views and opinions.
The appropriate retribution from the Bristol Rail Workers' Social and Welfare Fund - who’s event it was he declined to take - would surely have been to say ok, we won’t ask you again. He’s then lost a regular revenue, they’ve taken their annual Christmas bash business elsewhere. The next escalation that could just about pass muster for being appropriate would have been any train union member because we could make a weak case that they were all impacted. Everything else is excessive.
I can’t really understand how anyone would be comfortable with what has happened here.
Is it that it's immoral for people to use legitimate means to attain a decent standard of living?
Hope he goes tits up and has to go work for twatty Tim at Wetherspoons, that'll teach the ****.
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What was this "moral" stand?
Is it that it's immoral for people to use legitimate means to attain a decent standard of living?
Hope he goes tits up and has to go work for twatty Tim at Wetherspoons, that'll teach the ****.
His perceived moral stand was that it would have been hypocritical to host the party. No it’s not immoral to use legitimate means to obtain concessions from an employer. Unions do not hold the moral high ground by default and nor is morality a binary viewpoint.
You think he’s a **** because he dare to decline to hold a party? Or because he’s not root square behind the strikes? People are entitled to hold different opinions, it doesn’t naturally make them a ****.
£12 in a remote area, possibly. Not in Manchester.Transdev current recruitment page:
You’ll start on our standard rate of £12 per hour. If you’re a non-licence holder, you’ll get £11 per hour for your first year of service and then £12 per hour afterwards.
Well above...