Do you support the RMT?

[meltonblue]

But that doesn't alter what I said about strike action basically being an impossible option for many private sector workers.

No I agree, i was saying that as some then become resentful of it and see it as a us vs them about those striking rather than seeing it as something that can ultimately benefit everyone.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I can’t recall banks handing any franchises back as they were never franchised in the first place
They had a reality check and literally shed hundreds of thousands of jobs to cope with life in the real world.
Try telling the millions of other workers who work for small and large firms in the private sector that my statement is untrue.
But just one question involving basic maths
Would the RMT be on such high wages without public subsidies.
Relying on ticket sales alone the costs would be unaffordable so where would the money come from to pay for them

Banks were private entities that were baled out by the tax payer. Billions of pounds.

Without subsidies the railways would not exist. That seems to be the case across the world in developed economies which need public transport.

There are millions of other workers getting shafted by their employers - given the current job market they should move jobs and tell the employers they are leaving exactly why they are leaving - such employers deserve to struggle. Many of those people also work for employers who don't pay enough so those workers claim in work benefits so whilst not getting a subsidy direct from Govt the employers benefit from a taxpayer subsidised workforce and continue to pay senior management huge salaries and hand out dividends. I would say such subsidies should be stopped - if the employer cannot pay their workforce then their business is unsustainable OR they pay management less and reduce dividends.

I think your beef is that the railways still have an organised workforce. Unionised employees get better pay, terms and conditions end of. I want to level up not level down.

 

[bluethrunthru]

But that doesn't alter what I said about strike action basically being an impossible option for many private sector workers.

Absolutely nothing stopping workers in the private sector joining a union. If enough of them do so the union can get recognition and represent them as a bargaining unit. Instead people believe what they read in the Sun or what Nick Ferrari tells them about the evils of unions and sit on their arses moaning rather than actually doing something to change things

 

[M18CTID]

Absolutely nothing stopping workers in the private sector joining a union. If enough of them do so the union can get recognition and represent them as a bargaining unit. Instead people believe what they read in the Sun or what Nick Ferrari tells them about the evils of unions and sit on their arses moaning rather than actually doing something to change things

So go on. Tell us all how joining a union in an industry such as the one I work in benefits us in the small firm I work for if we decide to go on strike, which in turn halts production, which then pisses all of our customers off to the extent that they fuck us off completely and go to another supplier?

Oh, and I never said that unions are evil. Just that in many private sector industries they're unworkable as given in the example above.

 

[bluethrunthru]

So go on. Tell us all how joining a union in an industry such as the one I work in benefits us when all of us in the small firm I work for decide to go on strike, which in turn halts production, which then pisses all of our customers off to the extent that they fuck us off completely and go to another supplier?

Its ok just do nothing then - just please stop bitching about your lot.

You assume the aim of a union and its membership is nothing but strike action. It may surprise you but many places that have a union welcome it. The union can work with them and help them make decisions, stay the right side of employment law, help in staff disciplinary cases .......... you could try some research

 

[mexico1970]

So go on. Tell us all how joining a union in an industry such as the one I work in benefits us in the small firm I work for if we decide to go on strike, which in turn halts production, which then pisses all of our customers off to the extent that they fuck us off completely and go to another supplier?

Oh, and I never said that unions are evil. Just that in many private sector industries they're unworkable as given in the example above.

A representative will be along shortly to read you "THE" manifesto and make you see the error in your ways by being selfish and whinging too much.

 

[Scottyboi]

So go on. Tell us all how joining a union in an industry such as the one I work in benefits us in the small firm I work for if we decide to go on strike, which in turn halts production, which then pisses all of our customers off to the extent that they fuck us off completely and go to another supplier?

Oh, and I never said that unions are evil. Just that in many private sector industries they're unworkable as given in the example above.

Wouldn't the owner of the firm shit their pants at the thought of losing their custom and negotiate with the union?

 

[Elbow beards]

Heathrow now voting on strike action.
Planes, trains and automobiles.
Let's get Steve Martin in charge.

 

[M18CTID]

Its ok just do nothing then - just please stop bitching about your lot.

You assume the aim of a union and its membership is nothing but strike action. It may surprise you but many places that have a union welcome it. The union can work with them and help them make decisions, stay the right side of employment law, help in staff disciplinary cases .......... you could try some research

I'm not bitching about my lot you fucking bellend! I even said in a previous post upthread that it's a great place to work at. Despite getting a pay rise that is far below inflation, I see the wider picture with our firm. We're a small outfit that took a huge hit during the pandemic, but unlike many company owners the 2 guys who own our place don't raid the coffers of every penny they make in profit, instead choosing to re-invest most of it back into the company so when Covid hit we were fortunate enough to have a financial buffer which, along with the various Covid financial schemes, helped see us through when a lot of other firms would've gone bust. So despite only getting a 3% pay rise this year, I'm actually grateful that I've still got a fucking job (plus I know that if we do well over the next 12 months I'll get a bigger rise next year). That doesn't mean I don't support the actions of the RMT though, and if they can secure a 7% pay rise for their workers then good luck to them.

People like you just need to realise that not every single sector of industry and the way those industries function are all identical.

 

[west didsblue]

So go on. Tell us all how joining a union in an industry such as the one I work in benefits us in the small firm I work for if we decide to go on strike, which in turn halts production, which then pisses all of our customers off to the extent that they fuck us off completely and go to another supplier?

Oh, and I never said that unions are evil. Just that in many private sector industries they're unworkable as given in the example above.

Going on strike is and should always be a last resort. It's in your employer's interest not to want to piss off customers even more than the workforce's. As @bluthrunthru says, having a unionised workforce can be as beneficial to the employer as the employees, as long as the balance of power between employer and employees is not skewed too far either way. No one wants to go back to the ridiculous strikes that happened regularly at British Leyland in the 1970s because the unions ended up too powerful, but it's even more important we don't end up with a Victorian style workforce with an underpaid, overworked workforce that exists only to make the mill owners fabulously wealthy. That's the path our current government seems to want to take.