Do you support the RMT?

hilts said:
A simple yes or no would have done:-)
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I am afraid that’s what you are up against on here.
The lefties have such huge chips on their shoulders if you had been face to face with some of them, with such venom spouted punches would have been thrown
This is why the silent majority, some of whom have private messaged me with support, telling me just let them get on with it.
With the attitude they have its little wonder the left never get elected.
 
Postman Pep said:
CWU balloting both postal and openreach in the coming weeks. NASUWT have confirmed they are too, maybe other teaching unions will follow suit?

The opportunity for some form of coordinated action to coincide with the next energy price hike could be on the cards. Opposition to this government has to come from somewhere.
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What you seem to forget is this inflation is imported, nothing to do with the Tories.
The economy has got no bigger. So where is the money coming from.
So who in these hard times has to forgo a pay rise, or take a lower one in order that others get what they want by holding a gun to the Governments head
If you are not in the public sector , try knocking on the bosses door and ask for an 11% pay rise see how far you get.
You would be told unless your productivity is going to go up by 11% good luck finding someone else who is prepared to give it to you.
This is the Real World
 
A little off topic but I have to travel from Prague to York by train next week. The UK part of the journey (Paris to Kings X to York) falls on the Friday when there is no strike planned as I understand. Are things likely to be running something like normal on that day? Can't really cancel it as it ties in with the other journeys.
 
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halfmist said:
What you seem to forget is this inflation is imported, nothing to do with the Tories.
The economy has got no bigger. So where is the money coming from.
So who in these hard times who has to forgo a pay rise, or take a lower one in order that others get what they want by holding a gun to the Governments head
If you are not in the public sector , try knocking on the bosses door and ask for an 11% pay rise see how far you get.
You would be told unless your productivity is going to go up by 11% good luck finding someone else who is prepared to give it to you.
This is the Real World
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Why do you care? You’re affluent enough for things to not affect you.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Why do you care? You’re affluent enough for things to not affect you.
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Because my wealth, however much it is, is not going to cure the wage demands of Society.
It’s a debate and opinions site.
So on a site heavily dominated by the left, I am just giving a reality check that the world does not work quite like some think it does
Society is unequal, always has been , always will be.
Some seem to struggle with that fact.
 
halfmist said:
Because my wealth, however much it is, is not going to cure the wage demands of Society.
It’s a debate and opinions site.
So on a site heavily dominated by the left, I am just giving a reality check that the world does not work quite like some think it des
Society is unequal, always has been , always will be.
Some seem to struggle with that fact.
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Absolutely, but this issue is no different from the other thread you jumped in on and told it repeatedly that you didn’t care.

So why care about this particular topic?

Giving these workers a 10% pay rise wouldn’t cause a ripple in the Brexit chasm of finances.

No one is trying to make society equal. That communism schism is only in your head.
 
halfmist said:
Sir, why am I not surprised you are a public servant.
You are definitely one in the minority that you are not bothered about an extra few quid in your pay packet and you do it for the love and dedication to the job, I take my hat off to you.
I cannot quite see what your gripe is about.
My experience over my entire Career and Human nature being what it is, why bust a gut for no extra reward
I thought the majority of the Public Sector think they are under valued and hence the threats of up and coming strike action from Teachers Nurses etc
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For one thing, I've only been a public servant for the last 2.5 years. I've spent the rest of my working life in the private sector, including nearly half of that working for myself in my own business. In the last piece of work I did with my own company, I earned £25k for 3 months work, a piece of work that involved a corporate reorganisation, trying to make as many people redundant as possible.

Now I earn half that and have to work a damn sight harder for that money than I did previously. But I love it and I know the vast majority of my colleagues feel the same, plus there's the pension, which adds about 20% over what I'd get in the private sector. There's also hugh intangible benefits that you can't put a price on, including the massive development opportunities available to me, and the scale and complexity of the work on offer.

Many public servants do feel undervalued and with good reason. But their pride in their work, and the satisfaction serving the public gives them, keeps them going. If you want decent public services, that comes at a cost.
 
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Prestwich_Blue said:
For one thing, I've only been a public servant for the last 2.5 years. I've spent the rest of my working life in the private sector, including nearly half of that working for myself in my own business. In the last piece of work I did with my own company, I earned £25k for 3 months work, a piece of work that involved a corporate reorganisation, trying to make as many people redundant as possible.

Now I earn half that and have to work a damn sight harder for that money than I did previously. But I love it and I know the vast majority of my colleagues feel the same, plus there's the pension, which adds about 20% over what i'd get in the private sector. There's also hugh intangible benefits that you can't put a price on, including the massive development opportunities available to me, and the scale and complexity of the work on offer.

Many public servants do feel undervalued and with good reason. But their pride in their work, and the satisfaction serving the public gives them, keeps them going. But if you want decent public services, that comes at a cost.
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He doesnt seem to care about anyone but himself and begrudges anybody getting anything they haven’t paid for.

All this whilst telling everybody how much he doesn’t care about politics as it has never affected him.

Well, apart from earlier today in this thread where the social media right wing bingo card was played.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
A little off topic but I have to travel from Prague to York by train next week. The UK part of the journey (Paris to Kings X to York) falls on the Friday when there is no strike planned as I understand. Are things likely to be running something like normal on that day? Can't really cancel it as it ties in with the other journeys.
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As far as I have seen I am afraid for you that in the days between strikes they are predicting knock on issues due to trains/crews not being available or in the wrong place.
 
Its funny but the press and the MP's are up in arms over this and yet somehow every b/h this year including the jubbly weekend people were urged NOT to expect to travel by train as vast swathes were closed for maintenance works - on holiday weekends ffs !! It could be that if I were a cynic the silence then and the bleating now is perhaps politically motivated? Are they all staffed by lefty lawyers I wonder?

www.theguardian.com

UK bank holiday travellers warned to avoid taking the train

Network Rail urges people against non-essential travel with line closures and disruption
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
For one thing, I've only been a public servant for the last 2.5 years. I've spent the rest of my working life in the private sector, including nearly half of that working for myself in my own business. In the last piece of work I did with my own company, I earned £25k for 3 months work, a piece of work that involved a corporate reorganisation, trying to make as many people redundant as possible.

Now I earn half that and have to work a damn sight harder for that money than I did previously. But I love it and I know the vast majority of my colleagues feel the same, plus there's the pension, which adds about 20% over what i'd get in the private sector. There's also hugh intangible benefits that you can't put a price on, including the massive development opportunities available to me, and the scale and complexity of the work on offer.

Many public servants do feel undervalued and with good reason. But their pride in their work, and the satisfaction serving the public gives them, keeps them going. But if you want decent public services, that comes at a cost.
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We all have a story to tell.
I also ran a business, put everything on the line to raise finance to protect jobs,
All went tits up, I nearly went bankrupt.
I could said it was all political circumstances and not my fault but no I took the risk, I take the reward if it had worked
Brushed myself down, started again in a new venture and made my money from the bank who tried to bankrupt me when their share price collapsed in 2008.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
He doesnt seem to care about anyone but himself and begrudges anybody getting anything they haven’t paid for.

All this whilst telling everybody how much he doesn’t care about politics as it has never affected him.
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But "politics" does affect him and will do so even more going forward. If the ludicrous plan to cut nearly 100,000 civil servants goes ahead, then the quality services will deteriorate, with some services maybe disappearing altogether.

"Politics" has already impacted local authorities and the services they provide. Libraries, social care, children's' services and other essential services have been cut or stopped altogether. Recruitment freezes stop us getting the skilled IT staff we need to drive forward the 3-year digitalisation strategy we're committed to.

And people like that will be the first and the loudest complaining when that finally impacts them.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
A little off topic but I have to travel from Prague to York by train next week. The UK part of the journey (Paris to Kings X to York) falls on the Friday when there is no strike planned as I understand. Are things likely to be running something like normal on that day? Can't really cancel it as it ties in with the other journeys.
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They'll be a special timetable running. You'll be best to check. Your ticket will be valid on other services should it be needed.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
He doesnt seem to care about anyone but himself and begrudges anybody getting anything they haven’t paid for.

All this whilst telling everybody how much he doesn’t care about politics as it has never affected him.

Well, apart from earlier today in this thread where the social media right wing bingo card was played.
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You know sweet FA about me but your happy to jump to conclusions
See my earlier posts.
I have put things on the line in the past to try and protect other people’s livelihoods
One thing I can guarantee is, it’s nothing you would have ever done or ever be prepared to do .
So by taking those risks, falling on my arse starting again and coming good please forgive me for not volunteering to give it all away.
You reap what you sow as the saying goes
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Absolutely, but this issue is no different from the other thread you jumped in on and told it repeatedly that you didn’t care.

So why care about this particular topic?

Giving these workers a 10% pay rise wouldn’t cause a ripple in the Brexit chasm of finances.

No one is trying to make society equal. That communism schism is only in your head.
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I know. We all believe in a market economy. It's called levelling up what people want funny enough but a conservative policy isn't popular with conservative people.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
But "politics" does affect him and will do so even more going forward. If the ludicrous plan to cut nearly 100,000 civil servants goes ahead, then the quality services will deteriorate, with some services maybe disappearing altogether.

"Politics" has already impacted local authorities and the services they provide. Libraries, social care, children's' services and other essential services have been cut or stopped altogether. Recruitment freezes stop us getting the skilled IT staff we need to drive forward the 3-year digitalisation strategy we're committed to.

And people like that will be the first and the loudest complaining when that finally impacts them.
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Nope I won’t complain. It’s a waste of time. The usual excuses are Covid and cut backs so I have heard them all before.
If we had a bottomless pit in Society bring all the changes on
However, we definitely probably disagree with what the problems are and how to cure them, but two thing I am sure is, it’s not all about money, or down to a particular political party
 
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