Do you think we are building up to World War 3?

[purplenose]

By and large mutually assured destruction has been the best peace keeper the world has ever known. Always made me laugh how thick the CND mob were.

Providing those nations who have nuclear weapons remain relatively stable and or reasonably prosperous they will remain an effective guardian of a line that cannot be crossed.

The biggest danger is if one or several of those nations should fall into the hands of fanatics, Pakistan for example. Should the economies collapse in the West or Russia, which is looking far from impossible, that could certainly trigger a chain reaction that could quickly get out of hand.

I would say that the danger now of a world war type conflict is slightly higher than at the time of the cold war. The danger of European wide conflict however is becoming a distinct possibility and that is without doubt the most scary thing as far as we should be concerned.

 

[HelloCity]

Nothing on BBC or Sky

NORTHERN GERMANY -- U.S. Tanks rolled into Germany this weekend.
The deployment -- which also includes 3,500 U.S. Troops -- is to protect Eastern Europe against a potential Russian invasion.

In the dock area of the German city of Bremerhaven all around is American military hardware just off the boat -- everything from Humvees to tanks.

The official name for this display of military muscle is Operation Atlantic Resolve.
Its purpose is to reassure America’s nervous European allies that the U.S. military will stand with them against any aggressive moves by Russia. Moves, like the 2014 invasion of Crimea, when Russian troops arrived in what had been Ukraine -- and seized it for the Kremlin. America’s response is a decision to stop the draw down of U.S. troops in Europe, and reverse it -- in the first buildup since the end of the Cold War.

“We intend to reassure all those here in Europe that we are committed to peace and security, and to send a signal to anybody else who would differ with that, that that’s not gonna work,” said Lt. General Timothy Ray, deputy commander of the U.S.’s European command.

That anybody else would be Vladimir Putin, who is on record as saying its stupid and unrealistic to think that Russia would attack anyone.
But just in case, Operation Atlantic Resolve is big and very visible deterrent.
Over the next week all the equipment will leave Germany and be sent to Poland, and from there, be deployed across Eastern Europe.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-tank...o-protect-against-potential-russian-invasion/

 

[Magicpole]

WW3 might be breaking out in 30 mins.

In my house at least. I was supposed to do something that I forgot and now it's too late.

I don't think it will be mutually destructive if I'm honest though. More a one way thing.

 

[TonyM]

Fake your own death.

But make sure it's properly fake or it'll really spoil your evening.

 

[Magicpole]

Fake your own death.

But make sure it's properly fake or it'll really spoil your evening.

I hear ya. I don't have much time. I can't see anything is this wardrobe to do it.

A tie! Sorted.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

By and large mutually assured destruction has been the best peace keeper the world has ever known. Always made me laugh how thick the CND mob were.

Providing those nations who have nuclear weapons remain relatively stable and or reasonably prosperous they will remain an effective guardian of a line that cannot be crossed.

The biggest danger is if one or several of those nations should fall into the hands of fanatics, Pakistan for example. Should the economies collapse in the West or Russia, which is looking far from impossible, that could certainly trigger a chain reaction that could quickly get out of hand.

I would say that the danger now of a world war type conflict is slightly higher than at the time of the cold war. The danger of European wide conflict however is becoming a distinct possibility and that is without doubt the most scary thing as far as we should be concerned.

Not for me. Feels a lot less likely now than the 1980's. I remember when the Russians shot that airliner down and there was a US Senator on board and I thought that was going to be it. I thought the early 80's were very precarious. I made the mistake of watching Threads. Fuck me....grim!

 

[purplenose]

Not for me. Feels a lot less likely now than the 1980's. I remember when the Russians shot that airliner down and there was a US Senator on board and I thought that was going to be it. I thought the early 80's were very precarious. I made the mistake of watching Threads. Fuck me....grim!

I agree it is much different than the 80s, living close to Woodford as a child I got a good idea what it was all about when someone explained exactly what Vulcans were for and what they carried and why, as a result spent most of my youth shitting it and expecting mushroom clouds on a daily basis. I would not have been to pleased to have been told I would see Russian fighters over the same airfield just a few years later, I certainly wouldnt have believed that I would be sat in a Russian TU95 bear getting pissed up on vodka with the crew.

As for Threads I watched that again just a few weeks ago and its still scary. If you really want to destroy a good pair of undies do search and find the documentary "The brink of the apocalypse" which as well as having some good 80s music it covers alot of what was going on and I promise it will put the fear of god up you. It does cover the shooting down of the Korean airliner that you mention. When you watch it think back to what you were doing back in November 83 and think how completely oblivious you were to the fact we were potentially seconds away from a full blown nuclear war on account of some clouds over the American mid west.

I think now the threat is different, complacency greed and denial are the issues now that could push the world into global conflict. It only takes the global economy to collapse and the whole lot will go up.

Little wars can lead to big wars, even in Europe that danger gets bigger by the day, where despite the endless drivel spouted by the left wing and the pc brigade the ingredients for those small regional conflicts are added to on a daily basis. In ever so "modern" countries like France Germany and the UK societies are becoming more divided, the gaps between the have and have nots become wider, and those in authority seem completely out of touch, and interested only in themselves and their own.

It is very different to the 80s but in many ways just as dangerous if not more so, I dont think there is a feel of imminent world war right now, but I do believe thats exactly where we are heading and there would seem to be little sign that any of the worlds politicians have the slightest idea or inclination to change the course in which we are heading.

 

[Chippy_boy]

There's just something in the air at the moment. I feel like we're at a serious low in society and reaching a culmination of events which have transpired over the last 10-15 years.

People like Murdock aren't getting any younger. I bet he'd love to see it go off before he kicks the bucket, what with the way his media twists, bends and hurts people so much. Don't underestimate the power people like him have in our world. He won't be the only one.

Trump has been positioned as President and is a loose canon.

Russia have taken a very aggressive approach.

North Korea keep going on about nukes.

The media has been conditioned many of the public to hate foreigners.

I don't know, I'm just starting a debate really. I just sense that we're reaching a crescendo and that things will eventually go off.

Where do you see the world going in the next 10 years?

Yes, possibly.

There's lots going on that is very worrying indeed, and perhaps top of the list of worries is that nutter who's about to take over as president of the US.

I was of course shocked by many of the things he said during the election process, but I had expected him to be more "statesman-like" once he had won, but he's shown little of that. Now he's started saying he knows better than the CIA and NSA about national security threats, we should all be very worried.

When those organisations tell him a pre-emptive nuclear strike on North Korea would be a very very very very very bad idea, would he say he knows best then?

 

[CTID1988]

Hypothetically, If Donald Trump on his first day in office ordered nuclear strikes on Russia and North Korea would the order have to be adhered to? Or could people tell him to fuck off and tie him to a chair until he calmed down?

 

[purplenose]

Yes, possibly.

There's lots going on that is very worrying indeed, and perhaps top of the list of worries is that nutter who's about to take over as president of the US.

I was of course shocked by many of the things he said during the election process, but I had expected him to be more "statesman-like" once he had won, but he's shown little of that. Now he's started saying he knows better than the CIA and NSA about national security threats, we should all be very worried.

When those organisations tell him a pre-emptive nuclear strike on North Korea would be a very very very very very bad idea, would he say he knows best then?

I am sure that Trump will have it explained to him exactly why a pre-emptive nuclear strike on North Korea would not be the best idea...if indeed he doesnt know. He could of course have got the idea from Bill Clinton who actually had 2 B1bs (strategic heavy bombers) on route to Yangbyon to flatten the nuclear reactors until he was persuaded to call them back.



Why do you think Trump is a threat to world peace? Do you think that Hilary had the right idea about enforcing a no fly zone over Syria? If so please tell me how it would work and what the result would be?