Donald Trump

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Thought this was pretty interesting . . . though if you correlated votes to state income or home prices, you'd probably get a similar result.

 

[Metal Biker]

It's not about "my candidate lost" and "it's not fair" , Trump spouted a lot of extreme stuff in his campaign, that's what it's about.
The marches are democratic,legal,they will continue and will be effective.

Yes I know all that, I was responding to your reply to SWP about what the protestors expect to change by marching when, I assume sarcastically, that 'marches never change anything' and the comparison between using the civil rights marches to the attitudes of these protestors.

If these protestors to Trump (as they are entitled to do) believe that mass protests can change the result of an election then they need a serious wake up call in reality. Because if that sort of behaviour is expected after every election that can genuinely invalidate the electoral process, then what is the point of having them?

They are naive if they think marching in protest will change a national presidential electoral vote unlike the concept of marching against a current law or practice.

 

[Len Rum]

I dont remember any demonstrations when O`Barmy won, seems those "Simple" voters are grown up enough to accept the result while generation snowflake and the liberal lefties throws their toys right out of the f*cking pram when they lose (Not unlike brexit).

Has it ever dawned upon little lefties that they created the divides, people resent being told what to do and how to think ?.

When it gets to the point where a baker can not refuse to make a cake without the full force of the law jumping on his head because he offended
someone ( Never mind that he found the message on the cake offensive to his believes) its past time to look at balance.

When you open the borders to hoards of financial migrants while there are housing, job,school places, hospital beds, doctors appointment shortages,

When people dont get a job because of their race its racism, unless of course you call it "Positive discrimination", then the poor f*cker not getting the job is the racist if he complains.

When you ban words* without looking at intent, when you protect certain religions over others from ridicule, when freedom of speech is restricted in case it causes offence, when you put the interests of a minority over the majority then the pendulum has swung too far.

* Even worse, you ban words because they are so offensive to a minority that then uses them in everyday life.

This is what woke up middle England and Middle America, now just prey the pendulum does not swing to far the other way.

Although you mentioned some of it's effects, you forgot to mention global capitalism directly in your analysis.

 

[TFC]

Thought this was pretty interesting . . . though if you correlated votes to state income or home prices, you'd probably get a similar result.

Was one of Hillary's policies to write off student loans? ;)

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It's not about "my candidate lost" and "it's not fair" , Trump spouted a lot of extreme stuff in his campaign, that's what it's about.
The marches are democratic,legal,they will continue and will be effective.

Hillary spouted crap too, the difference is she was democratically rejected. The marches, and riots, have no parallel
whatsoever with civil rights marches, this is exactly the same dummy spitting mard arses who've been brought up to believe that
their views are always unassailable, and now can't understand why more people think otherwise.
They are democratic and legal, although beating folk up and trashing property isn't.
How you think they'll be effective is baffling, they lost the fucking election, it ain't being re-run
to get the result you'd like, it is pointless, and will die a death because there is no overall mandate for it.

 

[Len Rum]

Yes I know all that, I was responding to your reply to SWP about what the protestors expect to change by marching when, I assume sarcastically, that 'marches never change anything' and the comparison between using the civil rights marches to the attitudes of these protestors.

If these protestors to Trump (as they are entitled to do) believe that mass protests can change the result of an election then they need a serious wake up call in reality. Because if that sort of behaviour is expected after every election that can genuinely invalidate the electoral process, then what is the point of having them?

They are naive if they think marching in protest will change a national vote unlike the concept of marching against a current law or practice.

Wrong.
These protestors are not seeking to change the election result.
They are putting Trump on notice by saying they will not accept the implementation of some of the more extreme policies he put forward in his campaign.
Worth remembering that Trump himself said he would not accept the result if it went against him.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Hillary spouted crap too, the difference is she was democratically rejected. The marches, and riots, have no parallel
whatsoever with civil rights marches, this is exactly the same dummy spitting mard arses who've been brought up to believe that
their views are always unassailable, and now can't understand why more people think otherwise.
They are democratic and legal, although beating folk up and trashing property isn't.
How you think they'll be effective is baffling, they lost the fucking election, it ain't being re-run
to get the result you'd like, it is pointless, and will die a death because there is no overall mandate for it.

Where I live, there are mass walkouts in high schools by kids who weren't old enough to vote. They aren't protesting the election result -- they're frightened because they been they've been taught that the rejection of someone else based solely on race, creed, sexual orientation, etc. is a moral wrong, and now -- in their view -- the President appears to espouse exactly that ethos. They are kids. They oversimplify because it's how they deal with a complex world they don't yet understand and they're not yet fully a part of. Frankly, I'm glad to see it. It means they care enough about the world around them to do something about it in what way they can.

 

[Len Rum]

Hillary spouted crap too, the difference is she was democratically rejected. The marches, and riots, have no parallel
whatsoever with civil rights marches, this is exactly the same dummy spitting mard arses who've been brought up to believe that
their views are always unassailable, and now can't understand why more people think otherwise.
They are democratic and legal, although beating folk up and trashing property isn't.
How you think they'll be effective is baffling, they lost the fucking election, it ain't being re-run
to get the result you'd like, it is pointless, and will die a death because there is no overall mandate for it.

Hilary's "crap" was nowhere near as extreme as Trump's. If you want a debate on that then bring it on.
The marches are a reaction to those extreme policies he is proposing. Nothing wrong or 'mardy arse' about that.
No one's talking about re-running the election.
Careful about referring to an "overall" mandate because Trump hasn't got one.

 

[Metal Biker]

Wrong.
These protestors are not seeking to change the election result.
They are putting Trump on notice by saying they will not accept the implementation of some of the more extreme policies he put forward in his campaign.
Worth remembering that Trump himself said he would not accept the result if it went against him.

#Notmypresident
#Changethevote
#Hillarywon
#AssassinateTrump
#RapeMelania

The 2 million democrats who've signed a petition calling to overturn the election result.
The pandering hope that 'faithless electorals' will vote for Hillary on Dec 19

There is a definite movement across these cities that is ordering for the rejection of the ballot and to install Hillary as President. It may not be completely widespread, but the sentiment is present and even meshes with those protesting.

I find it absolutely astonishingly hypocritical that after being lampooned by the media and democrats for refusing to clarify if he would accept the result of the election that democrats themselves are not receiving the same criticism for effectively doing the same thing but in actual practice. (In case you're wondering, no I was not supportive of Trump, I was rooting for Bernie.)

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Where I live, there are mass walkouts in high schools by kids who weren't old enough to vote. They aren't protesting the election result -- they're frightened because they been they've been taught that the rejection of someone else based solely on race, creed, sexual orientation, etc. is a moral wrong, and now -- in their view -- the President appears to espouse exactly that ethos. They are kids. They oversimplify because it's how they deal with a complex world they don't yet understand and they're not yet fully a part of. Frankly, I'm glad to see it. It means they care enough about the world around them to do something about it in what way they can.

Excellent, go a bit further down and get the toddlers in nurseries to wave their shitty nappies in the air in protest.
You've got to be inclusive with this caring lark.