Donald Trump

[Ban-jani]

Donald Trump has been charged with various offences. So far he's settled them all out of court and managed to get charges dropped.

And the Clintons bullied and intimidated their accuses and used their power to make sure it didn't go any further.

If Trump and Clinton were Maccies workers they'd both be rightfully in jail.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It's not your opinion that's the problem but the way you're expressing it.

It's very good that her political career is over but she still gets to go back to her mansion, with her rapist husband, and neither have to face any consequences. They're vermin. Trump is a horrid man but they're actually worse.

Enjoy wanking over your Hillary poster.

This is not acceptable behaviour so I'm asking you to calm down.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Neither has Donald Trump but I don't see you calling posters on here, including myself recently, insane for claiming he's done it.

I think Bill Clinton and Donald Trump have sexually assaulted people and I believe the women who claimed it to be the case.

Hardly a deluded ramble is it?

You have a right to believe whatever you want. A woman I know is one of the people accusing (and suing) Bill Cosby of sexual assault.

However, we all have read, seen and heard the ACTUAL RECORDING OF DONALD TRUMP ADMITTING THAT HE'S DONE IT.

Of course, he could be lying.

Please let us know when you have similar proof of Bill Clinton doing same.

 

[Ban-jani]

It's not your opinion that's the problem but the way you're expressing it.





This is not acceptable behaviour so I'm asking you to calm down.

I was told to "grow the fuck up" and you have practically called me insane.

I would argue that my posts above are more in line with CoC than that.

There are people posting on the same subject as me with little knowledge on the Clintons and I haven't personally insulted anyone, yet have been insulted - again not that I take it to heart.

I'm perfectly calm and I don't know why you think I'm not.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Fuck me sideways. There's been an infinite amount of times someone in power has got away with criminal offences and not been put on trial.

I can think of one: Richard Nixon.

Whose Press Secretary, by the way, came up with the phrase "inoperative statement" as the euphemism for his lies. As in "Today's statement of position is the operative statement. The others [i.e. the previous ones where I lied] are inoperative."

Sounds quite similar to "alternative facts." Difference is, it took my country 6/12 years of his Presidency to prove Nixon was lying. It took us 24 hours of Trump's to prove that of his.

 

[Ban-jani]

You have a right to believe whatever you want. A woman I know is one of the people accusing (and suing) Bill Cosby of sexual assault.

However, we all have read, seen and heard the ACTUAL RECORDING OF DONALD TRUMP ADMITTING THAT HE'S DONE IT.

Of course, he could be lying.

Please let us know when you have similar proof of Bill Clinton doing same.

I believe there is enough evidence that suggests both have sexually assaulted people, in the case of Bill it's full on rape.

I ask you please to just do a very quick google search and read the evidence yourself. Juanita Broaddrick's account is a particularly interesting one as it's quite clear she was terrified at what she had got into by making the allegation. There were witnesses that saw her at the hotel with a busted lip which Bill had bitten.

I'll say it again, Bill would have been going to jail had he been an average Joe, similarly with Trump.

 

[tshirtman]

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I believe there is enough evidence that suggests both have sexually assaulted people, in the case of Bill it's full on rape.

I ask you please to just do a very quick google search and read the evidence yourself. Juanita Broaddrick's account is a particularly interesting one as it's quite clear she was terrified at what she had got into by making the allegation. There were witnesses that saw her at the hotel with a busted lip which Bill had bitten.

I'll say it again, Bill would have been going to jail had he been an average Joe, similarly with Trump.

Read before you post, please. Show me the recording of Clinton saying he did it. It's a very simple request.

If you can't, you're down 1-nil. Simple.

 

[Ban-jani]

I can think of one: Richard Nixon.

Whose Press Secretary, by the way, came up with the phrase "inoperative statement" as the euphemism for his lies. As in "Today's statement of position is the operative statement. The others [i.e. the previous ones where I lied] are inoperative."

Sounds quite similar to "alternative facts." Difference is, it took my country 6/12 years of his Presidency to prove Nixon was lying. It took us 24 hours of Trump's to prove that of his.

You see we are actually agreeing with each other now. Nixon was another prick.

I specifically posted a response to something on Hillary and people have presumed I was doing so to defend Trump, which is disappointing although not surprising on here.

 

[Helmet Cole]

I actually think trump vs the media is a bit like remain vs leave last year. Both sides are talking bollocks and just out to smear each other.
This creates a sort of truth vacuum and its a bit like watching two fools arguing - I think there may be a proverb in there.

 

[Ban-jani]

Read before you post, please. Show me the recording of Clinton saying he did it. It's a very simple request.

If you can't, you're down 1-nil. Simple.

I did read it thank you very much.

Why does it specifically have to be him admitting it? Is that the only type of evidence that earns people a charge nowadays?

The other evidence is overwhelming but you're asking for something you know doesn't exist whilst ignoring the other evidence to deflect at the fact you can't defend Bill.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I believe there is enough evidence that suggests both have sexually assaulted people, in the case of Bill it's full on rape.

I ask you please to just do a very quick google search and read the evidence yourself. Juanita Broaddrick's account is a particularly interesting one as it's quite clear she was terrified at what she had got into by making the allegation. There were witnesses that saw her at the hotel with a busted lip which Bill had bitten.

I'll say it again, Bill would have been going to jail had he been an average Joe, similarly with Trump.

I've done that and am not convinced. There's no physical evidence of any sort and she had filed an affidavit saying it didn't happen. She was already having an affair with her second husband at the time, while still married to her first. The little I've read suggests she was keen to get close to Clinton after she first met him. She did indeed have a split lip but someone who was having consensual sex with Clinton also had the same as a result of an encounter. There is simply no way, in my view, that the case would ever have come to court on such inconclusive evidence, let alone resulted in a conviction.

I'm not trying to defend Clinton here - he was clearly a sexual predator and a creep, much like Kennedy was. You can certainly criticise Hillary for putting up with his dalliances but you can't blame her for his actions.

And, as others have said, it has no relevance to Trump being president and that's the topic of this thread now.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Are people still falling for his "look over there" tactics whenever the subject of his sexual assault accusations comes up?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I did read it thank you very much.

Why does it specifically have to be him admitting it? Is that the only type of evidence that earns people a charge nowadays?

The other evidence is overwhelming but you're asking for something you know doesn't exist whilst ignoring the other evidence to deflect at the fact you can't defend Bill.

No mate -- I'm not trying to defend them. I am asking for fairness. I have heard both parties over and over and over talk about how the "other one" is worse, which has infuriated me no end. In this case we are comparing two similar accusations leveled at Bill and Donald. It follows that the standards of evidence and proof should be similar. The best evidence of all for any officer of the law is an admission of guilt. Donald has admitted it. Therefore, it simply isn't fair for you to conclude that Bill is somehow worse than Donald on this score when there is the best evidence of all indicting Donald, and none (other than accusations) indicting Bill.

You can dislike either Hillary or Bill for any other number of reasons but your consistent referral to Bill as a "rapist" is unfair, unwarranted and hypocritical in the context of the comparison to Trump.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Are people still falling for his "look over there" tactics whenever the subject of his sexual assault accusations comes up?

"Look over there tactics" were the tactics used by both sides the entire election on nearly every topic.

 

[Ban-jani]

I've done that and am not convinced. There's no physical evidence of any sort and she had filed an affidavit saying it didn't happen. She was already having an affair with her second husband at the time, while still married to her first. The little I've read suggests she was keen to get close to Clinton after she first met him. She did indeed have a split lip but someone who was having consensual sex with Clinton also had the same as a result of an encounter. There is simply no way, in my view, that the case would ever have come to court on such inconclusive evidence, let alone resulted in a conviction.

I'm not trying to defend Clinton here - he was clearly a sexual predator and a creep, much like Kennedy was. You can certainly criticise Hillary for putting up with his dalliances but you can't blame her for his actions.

And, as others have said, it has no relevance to Trump being president and that's the topic of this thread now.

I think we can establish she hasn't made it up for personal gain or indeed to smear Clinton. This is because she was trying to help his campaign when it happened, she told 5 different people but asked them to not tell and she then denied it for many years as to protect herself and her family. She was worried it'd cause her huge amounts of trouble, she was scared for herself and her family and she didn't think she would be believed. The motivational reasons for her to make it up don't add up.

Then we come on to what she knew about Bill. She was able to relay back him telling her to not worry about pregnancy, when he had just allegedly raped her, because he couldn't have kids. Two other consenting women he had slept with also said he had specifically told them that. Juanita Broaddrick simply wouldn't have known that any other way than Bill telling her.

Then there's the obvious with the lip and the fact we know he liked to do that to women. When you factor in the above and because we know they were both there (there's legal documentation putting both parties in the building on the same day), we can say that at least something happened between them.

Now for the evidence of rape. This is a witness account by another nurse who worked in the building and found Juanita...

“in a state of shock–lips swollen to double their size, mouth discolored from the biting, her pantyhose torn in the crotch. She just stayed on the bed and kept repeating, ‘I can’t believe what happened.'” She says she applied ice to Juanita’s mouth.

“She was crying. And the thing I think I remember most is that her mouth was all swollen up. It was cut and her pantyhose were all ripped.”

Another interesting point is that this is definitely the most serious of all the allegations and the one that carries the most weight but it's also the one in which the Clintons have said the least about. In fact the only thing from their camp that's been said is by their attorney saying its a false allegation. Other allegations they went to greater lengths to dismiss them but with this they've got nothing.

I know this is a specifically Donald Trump thread and whilst Hillary is relevant I agree Bills past isn't as much so I will leave it now. I think I've made my point.

 

[Ban-jani]

No mate -- I'm not trying to defend them. I am asking for fairness. I have heard both parties over and over and over talk about how the "other one" is worse, which has infuriated me no end. In this case we are comparing two similar accusations leveled at Bill and Donald. It follows that the standards of evidence and proof should be similar. The best evidence of all for any officer of the law is an admission of guilt. Donald has admitted it. Therefore, it simply isn't fair for you to conclude that Bill is somehow worse than Donald on this score when there is the best evidence of all indicting Donald, and none (other than accusations) indicting Bill.

You can dislike either Hillary or Bill for any other number of reasons but your consistent referral to Bill as a "rapist" is unfair, unwarranted and hypocritical in the context of the comparison to Trump.

I've stated Bill is "worse" because what I'm convinced he's done is worse than what I'm convinced Donald Trump has done. Trump has groped women I'm sure of that, Bill has raped I'm also sure of that.

They're both maggots for doing what I'm sure they have.

Donald's admission of guilt on video makes him bang to rights but I'm also convinced of Bill's allegations being the same, due to the evidence, of which I've posted some in relation to Prestwich Blue's post.

The evidence of Trumps may be stronger yes, but that doesn't mean Clinton's isn't also strong.

Now I've made my point and I'm tired. I'll sign off to bed with a simple statement saying I think they're both guilty and both would be in jail had they have been average joes. Plus Hillary and Trump are the two worst candidates for president in the history of your country.

 

[Vic]

Meanwhile, away from the now-irrelevant Clintons, the Great Liar is going to rape the world.

 

[@BluePhil8]

Give it a rest. You make BluePhil sound sane.

I resent that comment... it's the ramblings of the left that make me sound sane :)

 

[@BluePhil8]

Not seen it discussed in here but to get away from the topic of Bill Clinton’s sexual misconduct:

A. Trump has killed TPP (good)

B. Clinton Foundation has disappeared post election. Almost as if it was a pay for play scheme and not a legitimate charity after all.